" I Don't Want To Die " - The Bottom Line ?

" I Don't Want To Die " - The Bottom Line ?

Joanne Gold
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:58

02 Aug 2002, 17:00 #1

Joel wrote a superb response to a thread with his usual flair to get our addicted minds to do a bit more "realizing" than we do.
In a recent post, a member stated his "bottom line" for quitting...
I don't want to die
Anyway, I thought Joel's insight here warranted its own thread. The third sentence is great....

   It may help if you work a little on your bottom line. Quitting smoking should be done for more reasons than just because you don't want to die. You should be quitting because you want to live. Not only do you want to live, but you want to be healthy so that you can really live, not just exist as the world really lives around you but you are too weak or impaired to participate in it. You should realize that you want to live free, not under the control of a product that is hurting you. You should realize that you don't want to smell like an ashtray anymore. You should realize that you don't want to waste your hard earned money any more on sustaining an active drug addiction. You should realize that you don't want to be viewed as a weak individual or have people in general questioning your overall intelligence or your good judgment because you smoke. You should also realize you don't want to be viewing yourself the same way, wondering what is wrong with you since you still smoke. The more you realize and see smoking for what it is the happier you will be with your decision to quit and stay quit and the  easier it will be to stay committed to never take another puff!


With that I'd like to share my "bottom line" or my main reason for quitting, if you will. : )

I quit smoking over three years ago, and for quite a while, my "bottom line" was...
"smoking is too scary"
Yep, smoking is still scary but my bottom line has changed. If it was said that starting tomorrow smoking no longer posed health threats, (a conjectural analogy, I know) I'd still never go back. Why? I simply enjoy not being controlled by a drug. Especially one that was killing me. I am madly in love with the fact that my life does not orbit around a dirty, stinky, and disgusting burning piece of weed. Being duped by my own illogical mindset - induced from a powerful addiction - was very degrading. Relating to what Marty mentioned in a thread earlier this week, each night I'd get into bed and feel bad about having gone another day imposing a deadly assault to my body. Ohhhh that "icy" feeling in my lungs as my breathing pattern naturally slowed down for another night's rest. I yearned to quit and swore the next day would be different. I kept waiting for the right time or enough stamina to fight. The trap before me created a mirage leading me to think quitting was too difficult. It just wasn't true!

I am grateful for the understanding, and happy to testify, quitting truly is not difficult....our addiction is difficult. We don't have to wait for the right moment, or for great strength.....we just have to take baby steps and begin the journey - The power of knowledge builds on our logical mindset which enables us to outsmart our addiction! The "one day at a time" concept, the understanding of my addiction, along with support, were my keys to breaking free.

We lose thousands upon thousands of people a year from smoking related disease, they had to quit the "difficult" way! http://whyquit.com/whyquit/Memorial.html
Quitting is doable, don't let that mirage fool you....seek logic...life is worth it. NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!
Thanks, Joel!
Gold Club - Because I want to "really" liveImage
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OBob Gold
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:58

02 Aug 2002, 17:29 #2

I've spent the last 3 weeks in a car with an addict. The truth of those words was illustrated over and over again.... our ADDICTION is difficult. We'd pass hour after hour on the road (no smoking in the car) and I could feel the tension rise steadily as the withdrawal symptoms mounted in my friend. Sometimes 3 hours without a break... We'd stop, and it was straight out to get as much of a fix as he could before we set off again. He'd gulp down 2 or 3 in a 5 to 10 minute rest, just to try to get the levels back to an equilibrium.
For me, the most difficult part was how averse I've become to the smell of the smoke. A minor inconvenience compared to the forced suicide my friend went through at each infrequent stop.
Quitting ain't that tough. Smoking is.

Excellent post!
ImageBob (hmmm, have to bring up the meter...ahh, there it is....6 months, 4 weeks free from forced suicide)
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marty (gold)
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:59

02 Aug 2002, 18:25 #3

Terrific thought-provoking post Joanne, even if it did take a classic Joel-ism to prompt you Image
Yes, our bottom line is critical, because it's that bottom line that is going to save us (or not) in that final instant before relapse. Joel was so right in highlighting that the way we phrase our bottom line is the way we think about it, and a positive statement is so much more powerful than a negative one.
I've known my bottom line since about 4 months into my quit, because before then I just didn't know what it felt like.
I want to bask in the wonderful, warm feeling of self-esteem that I get when I think about my quit.
NOT A PUFF FOR 1 year 8 months 2 days
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Lilac (Bronze)
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:59

02 Aug 2002, 19:12 #4

Wow! "I yearned to quit and swore the next day would be different. I kept waiting for the right time-----" After 55 years of smoking those words are incised on my soul.. How well you articulated the smoker's dilemma.. What finally brings one to take on the lifetime responsibility of quitting? We all seem to have our reasons.. But I think, in the end, we just get too tired of saying no to the inner drive to quit. Where that inner drive springs from I'm not sure. Thanks for the beautiful message.

Lilac 4 wks.
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Toast (GOLD )
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

02 Aug 2002, 21:19 #5

Great thread, Joanne!
Great thoughts everyone ... wow, what a week we're having, big meaty threads of tremendous insight. Phew! Makes me goose-bumpy!
I'd say the driving thought in my head when I first quit was: "I don't want to die sooner than later of some horrible, painful smoking-related disease and leave my children young like my father did at 49."
I still agree with that, but so much more has revealed itself over the last year and 2 months or so ... the unexpected, positive, life-affirming benefits are working to diffuse the fearful motivations and blend them into life-building motivations. My bottom line today is: "Smoking does not accurately reflect who I am and what I want to manifest in my life anymore." That might sound sorta benign and academic, but it feels very passionate to me - I couldn't grow anymore with a cigarette hanging out of my mouth.
Image Melissa
1 Year 2 Months 1 Week 3 Days Free
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BillW Gold.ffn
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:59

02 Aug 2002, 23:45 #6

Interesting thread, Joanne!

I think all of our bottom lines change during our quit. I was thinking of WhyQuit.com, the "gateway" site to this group. Its there that I (most of us?) found the really scarry stuff. And as newbies, we could feel in our own bodies the effects of smoking, and see the truth of the fate that awaited us.

But here at Freedom, we don't beat people over the head with gristly autopsy pictures. Instead, we hold out the hope (actually, inevitability!) that things will get better. We tell newbies the unthinkable: eventually you won't be thinking about smoking 18 hours of the day....you wont think about it at all, most days. Eventually you won't be in physical or psychological pain from quitting.....you will find comfort. Freedom leads people from the fear based, white-knuckle initial quit, into.....well, Freedom! To do that, we basically have to change each member's bottom line reason for quitting, from negative fear to positive benefits.

And thanks to all the oldbies who guided my "bottom line" transformation, so that now I'm learning to live as a free person, with all the possibility of joy, love, and comfort that that entails.

BillW Silver minus 5 days, 21 hours, 16 minutes and 41 seconds.

Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

03 Aug 2002, 16:32 #7

Since this thread generated so many good responses in yesterdays parade, I am attaching the link to it here: Friday's GLASS HALF FULL Parade.
This way as this post is brought up over time we will have the benefit of all of the commentaries that the post inspired showing new readers why it so important to so many of our members that they always remember why they choose to never take another puff!
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John (Gold)
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

03 Aug 2002, 21:34 #8

Thanks so much for reposting Joel's quitting motivations post, Jo, and for building upon them!! I'm with Melissa, to watch the online evolution of this group's thoughts, as though they were some child's building blocks, is amazing. Things were always as they were. In truth, we've invented absolutely nothing, including truth. But being able to see and build truth and relate it in useful fashion is tremendously challenging, but far less so because of the blocks with which we started.

Jo, think back to how far we've come. I was directed by an email link to take a look at a post at another forum. I'm always hesitant to do so as we've got plenty of work to do here, and other sites have as much right as we do, to adopt their own approach to cessation. I shouldn't have but I clicked on the link. I now regret doing so.

It was a post by your "average" one month abrupt cessation (cold turkey) quitter wishing that there was an easier way to cope with those urge generating thoughts that at times fill the mind. She wanted to know if it was too late for her to start using nicotine products like the gum or patch. There were a few "probably not" type responses but the answer she was seeking was there too, and it must have jumped from the page - "It will really make things easier, absolutely, give a go" came the reply.

Even in Freedom's early days I doubt you'd find any old archived thread in which the advice given was so clearly wrong but at times I'm sure we weren't far from it. When Joel arrived in January 2000 we were already teaching members that it took three days to become nicotine clean but in reality that was close to the limits of our understanding of nicotine.

The post I just looked at, Jo, brought back terrible memories of our pre-Joel anything goes format that seemed to breed perpetual relapse. We were both pretty darn discouraged and with a relapse rate that must have been close to 90%, more than once we'd seriously considered pulling the plug. My gut feeling was that they'd probably be better off on their own. I still can't believe that Joel found us. I just kept asking Joanne, why would someone so knowledgeable and so skilled, share their library and wisdom with us?

Imagine someone spending every waking day of their entire adult life trying to help those dependent upon nicotine break free. If that person was a great listener, could the knowledge they'd accumulate result in the creation of over 90 building blocks of truth (Joel's Library) and a thought provoking mind (Joel) to go with them? We're glad we know the answer! Thanks Joel! You truly are a tobacco taming tool and the block upon which we build! Your student, John : )
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GrumpyOMrsS (Gold)
Joined: 19 Dec 2008, 00:00

29 Aug 2002, 13:33 #9

Debi.......from your mouth, to my ears.....everythings' AOK with you,
I hope that smile of yours is just a bright today, as it was a year ago when that picture was taken.
a big hug for you!
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Joanne Gold
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:58

20 Oct 2002, 06:56 #10

" Quitting smoking should be done for more reasons than just because you don't want to die. You should be quitting because you want to live. "
" The more you realize and see smoking for what it is the more happy you will be with your decision to quit and stay quit and the more easy it will be to stay committed to never take another puff! "
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