herbals

herbals

kaf
Joined: January 7th, 2009, 8:17 pm

August 28th, 2002, 9:01 pm #1

i would like to know what people on this site feel about herbal tocacco(legal stuff). although it contains no nicotine or tobacco you still get carbon monoxide and tar from them yet they sell them at health food shops? i find that strange.
has anyone on this site used them as an aid to giving up nicotine?

yours - interested kaf
nearly 7 days free
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Joined: December 18th, 2008, 11:57 pm

August 28th, 2002, 9:30 pm #2

Forget it. Taking a herbal cigarette with the idea that it is somehow going to help you quit smoking is pretty much the same concept as giving an alcoholic grape juice because it looks like wine to treat alcoholism--with one noteable exception--grape juice is pretty much harmless--herbal cigarettes are in fact potentially dangerous as is any product that is burned and then inhaled into your lungs. Plus there are some issues which cigarettes being marketed as herbal or natural and still having tobacco in them. (see http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerPro ... ettes.html)



Kaf, you are new here. You will quickly see we are not a group looking for quick fix gimmicks or an easy way out of smoking--people are here because they want to break their nicotine addiction and break their associated habits as well. They are here to improve their overall health and not pick up other dangerous habits in substitution for cigarettes.



I brought up a few strings that address the issue from a few different angles, and I do think we have a string somewhere on herbal cigarettes that I can't locate at the moment. If you want this quit to stick start working on the premise that the way to break your addiction and your associated habits is not by looking for a new product to inhale but rather by just knowing when it comes to smoking the way to end it is to never take another puff!



Joel



Related strings:


"A safer way to smoke?"
Crutches to Quit Smoking
The easy way to quit smoking
Nicotine vs. marijuana
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kaf
Joined: January 7th, 2009, 8:17 pm

August 28th, 2002, 9:50 pm #3

thanks for your prompt reply joel - yes i am new here and have a lot to learn

kaf
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Joined: December 18th, 2008, 11:59 pm

August 28th, 2002, 10:01 pm #4

Dear Kaf,

I would not recommend it, not that I have tried. There is just no logic - the only reason to smoke cigarettes is the nicotine addiction. A herbal cigarette presumably does not contain nicotine, so it will not satisfy a craving, plus it will release all the harmful by-products of burning.

I think Joel is right about no quick gimmicks to quit; the same is valid for the NRT you mentioned in your first post - you were lucky that you did not try it. I tried to quit for more than 3 years using NRT and the fact that I am here on this site is a proof that NRT DOES NOT work (& it costs a fortune).

Irina

1 week 1 day 14 hours
215 cigarettes not smoked

PS. I am a newbie myself - I think we quit and posted at roughly the same time. Good luck!
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Joined: December 18th, 2008, 11:57 pm

August 28th, 2002, 10:35 pm #5

Our philosophy here at Freedom is really rather simple. Although we each may have a few adjustments to make, we don't need give up anything in our lives except for our sources of nicotine. The flip-side of the coin is also true. None of us need to pick-up, rely upon or develop any new crutches or habits either. This temporary adjustment period called quitting can be challenging enough in its own right. Why make it any more so!

There's just one rule that we each must follow in order to 100% guarantee permanent freedom - just one day at a time, never put nicotine into these bodies again!
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Joined: December 18th, 2008, 11:58 pm

November 20th, 2002, 4:45 am #6

...what John and Joel said.

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November 20th, 2002, 4:59 am #7

what obob said
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November 8th, 2003, 5:19 pm #8

What Rick (Jackrabit) said.

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November 8th, 2003, 8:53 pm #9

What OBob just said.

Okay, just kidding. But I do want to reiterate what I originally said on this topic for the benefit of all people reading this:

Taking a herbal cigarette with the idea that it is somehow going to help you quit smoking is pretty much the same concept as giving an alcoholic grape juice because it looks like wine to treat alcoholism--with one notable exception--grape juice is pretty much harmless--herbal cigarettes are in fact potentially dangerous as is any product that is burned and then inhaled into your lungs. Plus there are some issues which cigarettes being marketed as herbal or natural and still having tobacco in them. (see http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerPro ... ettes.html)

We are not a group looking for quick fix gimmicks or an easy way out of smoking--people are here because they want to break their nicotine addiction and break their associated habits as well. They are here to improve their overall health and not pick up other dangerous habits in substitution for cigarettes.

Below are a few strings that address the issue from a few different angles. If a person wants a quit to stick he or she must start working on the premise that the way to break his or her addiction and the associated habits is not by looking for a new product to inhale but rather by just knowing when it comes to smoking the way to end it is to never take another puff!

Joel


Related strings:

"A Safer Way to Smoke?"

Crutches to Quit Smoking

The Easy Way Out

Nicotine Vs. Marijuana
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Joined: December 19th, 2008, 12:54 am

November 10th, 2003, 12:45 am #10

I tried them and they didn't work--- in fact i think they just made the cravings worse--- i relapsed using them, so wouldn't recommend.
Mary
I have chosen not to smoke for 1 Month 1 Week 2 Days 12 Hours 11 Minutes 19 Seconds. Cigarettes not smoked: 395. Money saved: $90.87.
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November 10th, 2003, 6:46 am #11

Hi Kaf! No advice from me today- I see the experts have already done that. I just wanted to let you know I too am a nicotine addict and I haven't had a single puff in over 10 months. This IS doable...One Day at a Time...those days add up and this gets easier...I PROMISE! Welcome to Freedom!

Valerie
10 Months, 1 Week and a Day......and it is AWESOME!
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Joined: January 7th, 2009, 7:36 pm

July 17th, 2007, 2:41 am #12

Yep Kaf,
I thought about them too but then realized I just think I miss that hand to mouth smoking sensation. I started doing this silly thing when I felt like I wanted that hand to mouth feeling. I would extend my fingers as if there was a cigarette there, put the fingers to my lips and kiss that sensation good-bye, while extending my arm all the way out sideways. Sometimes I do it with both arms, never while driving though.

It gets better,
NTAP!
Marnie
I have been quit for 1 Week, 2 Days, 14 hours and 42 minutes (9 days). I have saved $25.95 by not smoking 173 cigarettes. I have saved 14 hours and 25 minutes of my life. My Quit Date: 7/7/2007 12:00 AM
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Joined: November 13th, 2008, 2:04 pm

September 4th, 2014, 2:47 pm #13

New related video:
New Video: What about using herbals to quit smoking?






Yesterday a question was posed on the video "Prolonging withdrawal symptoms"about using herbal cigarettes to quit smoking.


This video addresses the question.




Related information:


Article discussing how some Nicotine Free E-cigs still deliver nicotine





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Joined: November 13th, 2008, 2:04 pm

November 19th, 2014, 6:12 pm #14

A question was asked on my YouTube video linked above on herbal cigarettes inquiring about using marijuana as a quitting aid. The response below addresses this issue:

[font=ARIAL, GEORGIA, 'TIMES NEW ROMAN', TIMES, SERIF]For the benefit of all who read here I am reattaching comments from above addressing the marijuana issue. I want it to be clear here that we are in no way endorsing the idea of using marijuana in any way, shape or form as a substitution or in lieu of smoking tobacco. It was something you were doing before as a cigarette smoker and apparently continued to do after quitting smoking. I will also attach links to articles and videos explaining why no one should take up the use of marijuana or any other recreational drug after quitting or increase previous usage in any kind of a substitution manner for the prior tobacco product usage:

Below is a response that I wrote back over two years ago to a member who asked about the consequences of her boyfriend smoking marijuana after he had quit smoking tobacco cigarettes. The message is still as pertinent today as it was back then. We are dealing with nicotine addiction here at Freedom, even more than we are dealing with dangers associated with smoking. It is true that marijuana and tobacco smoke have many similar chemicals and thus many similar dangers. But there is one significant difference and that is the presence of nicotine. Tobacco has nicotine in it and marijuana does not. Marijuana cannot cause a person to relapse on nicotine. But with that being said, the message below should not be ignored or overlooked either. I always want the message below to be read by anyone reading this thread.[/font]

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In response to the implication of my boyfriend who has quit smoking cigarettes but still smoking marijuana:[/font]

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First, he should not in any way shape or form substitute one drug for another, whether it is pot, alcohol, coffee, tranquilizers, stimulants, or whatever. The concept of substitution is a crutch and a crutch is going to have its own inherent problems. 

OK, so what about smoking pot as its own issue. I always tell my groups that quitting smoking, or I guess for clarity sake here, getting off nicotine requires one thing only, that is getting off nicotine. Everything a person does as a smoker they can do without smoking. I mean this when I say it. Everything. Things that are good for them and they enjoy, they can do after they quit smoking. Things that are good for them and they don't enjoy they can do after they quit smoking. Things that are not good for them and they enjoy they can do without smoking. And things that are not good for them and the do not enjoy they can do too. Basically the message I want everyone to understand is anything they could do as a smoker, they can now do as an ex-smoker. Anything. 

I am not trying to give an endorsement to an illegal product, one that has many of the same chemicals at tobacco smoke and so have some of the same health risks. But while the chemical structure of the two are similar, marijuana actually having higher concentrations of some of the poisons than even tobacco smoke, there is one big difference between the two. It is the active drug that is not shared. Tobacco contains nicotine, marijuana contains Tetrahyrdocannibinol (THC) (the spelling might be wrong). So can marijuana be smoked without relapsing to cigarettes, yes. Should it be used as a substitution, definately not. If you were not using it before there is no way it should be incorporated into your life now. 

If you were using it before, well for legal and for some medical risks, you should not have been. For those same reasons you should stop now. But as far as it causing a nicotine relapse, it won't, at least no more than alcohol will. What I mean by that is alcohol can lower a persons resolve and make them more vulnerable to relapse. Same with marijuana, maybe even more so. But the actual act of smoking marijuana is not going to cause a relapse to nicotine, only administration to nicotine can accomplish that feat. 

I wrote to someone yesterday who wasn't sure of us at Freedom yet that we have no hidden agendas here. I meant that when I wrote it. We are not trying to force any changes in a persons life. The only area we are working on as our stated objective is breaking the nicotine addiction. This is why I am trying to make it clear that other activities can be done, but again, I am not saying it should, that it is safe or that it is right. On many fronts marijuana use is dangerous, from legal, and medical issues, but it is up to each and every individual here to decide what is right or wrong for them. 

Hope this answers your friends questions. I am going to bring up the article on crutch replacement now for further elaboration of the substitution risk. 

To stay in control of your nicotine addiction, which is all we are asking of everyone here, remember as for tobacco cigarettes, never take another puff! 

Joel 

One additional sidenote here. Many people mix marijuana with tobacco. If a marijuana cigarette is blended with tobacco then it will indeed induce a relapse to nicotine dependency. Just an added note of caution that you need not concern yourself with if you do decide to take the route that as far as for any burning plant product that you are committing to never take another puff!


Joel

Crutches to Quit Smoking
"Do whatever it takes to quit smoking"
Alcohol - can people quit smoking and still drink alcohol? (similar issues addressed)


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Crutches to quit smoking
"What bad habit should I replace it with?"
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