Good news, our members don't relapse anymore...

Joel Spitzer
Joined: 13 Nov 2008, 14:04

21 Oct 2012, 15:20 #111

Sadly, I am bringing this one up today because a member did smoke. I always prefer to knock up this thread when this occurs, to illustrate how infrequently we have to pull posts from members who post a relapse. We never want to leave an impression to readers here that we hide the fact that relapse can happen. We make it clear in our rules that if a person posts a relapse they will instantly lose posting privileges and that the post will be removed. The person involved was nice enough to notify me by email, honoring our relapse policy of not posting on the board.

Members who relapse cannot join up again, but they still have access to all of our resources to help them to try to quit. I am going to attach some newer videos to this string addressing this issue:


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Joel Spitzer
Joined: 13 Nov 2008, 14:04

12 Dec 2012, 23:16 #113

Sadly, I am bringing this one up today because a member did smoke. I always prefer to knock up this thread when this occurs, to illustrate how infrequently we have to pull posts from members who post a relapse. We never want to leave an impression to readers here that we hide the fact that relapse can happen. We make it clear in our rules that if a person posts a relapse they will instantly lose posting privileges and that the post will be removed.

Members who relapse cannot join up again, but they still have access to all of our resources to help them to try to quit.

A few minutes ago I copied and pasted my reply from last time a member relapsed, not realizing that it had a comment in there about how the member back then had emailed about the relapse. This was not the case here--the member posted about the relapse and per our relapse policy, the post was removed. Just want to avoid any confusion here.

I am going to attach two videos to this string addressing the issue of relapse:


indianscorpion29
Joined: 03 Dec 2012, 17:24

05 Feb 2013, 21:33 #114

I read this thread and this is a good one to prevent any relapse.
Initially in this thread, I saw a few members pondering over the possibility of a member relapsing and remaining silent over it to save his membership.
Well, that will not happen with anyone.


Hypothetically, If relapse occurs for me, the first thing I would do is send an email to Joel and John requesting them to ban my membership.
I respect Joel, John and the members and the whyquit community as a whole so much that I cannot lie or hide a relapse.
I am guessing all the membes would feel the same way.
Joel and John have embarked on a selfless crusade and not expecting a penny in return. Hats off gentlemen.

I have been nicotine free since nov 9 2012, I am sticking to my personal commitment to never take another PUff.

Joel Spitzer
Joined: 13 Nov 2008, 14:04

20 Feb 2013, 18:55 #115

I pop up this thread every time I see that a member of the board has relapsed. Sadly, there was a post up earlier today that was from a person who joined back in early 2011, and posted today that he or she had just quit smoking this past week. As far as I could tell the person had never posted on the board before even though he or she had been a member since 2011. We had a similar incident back in 2006 and for speed sake I am copying and pasting the commentary that I used back then talking about a similar situation. The paragraphs that are bolded apply to this particular episode.


Joel


Post from 2006
[font=ARIAL, GEORGIA, 'TIMES NEW ROMAN', TIMES, SERIF]We must apologize for an incident that happened this morning. Around 1:00 a.m. there was a post put up by a member who had joined back in June, relapsed in November and who had just quit again a few weeks ago. The reason I felt the need to apologize was the post remained on the board for almost five hours before a manager got by to see it and remove it. Even a newer member wrote she was confused by the post since she was under the impression that we had a relapse policy that immediately removes a person's membership when they relapse.

I feel there are four things that need to be explained regarding this incident. First, why was the post up for five hours. A number of our managers are in fact light sleepers. Often we wake up do a quick check of the board, make sure things are in order and go back to sleep. There are days though where all four of us actually sleep through the night and a post like this may not be seen. That is what happened here which is why the post stayed up as long as it did.

The second explanation needed is why the person was a member after he or she relapsed back in November. The reason for this is that we had no way to know that the member had relapsed for you see, the particular member never posted at our board once since joining. Do we have people who are on our member lists who may be smoking? I am sure we do, but we cannot act on these people until we know about it.

The third thing I want to explain is how senseless it was for the particular person to have joined back in January. There was absolutely no reason for the person to have joined back then, considering that after he or she joined, he or she never posted once. There is only one reason for a person to join up at Freedom--because he or she wants to post on the board. Non-members have full access to everything we have to offer at Freedom except the ability to post. As was quite evident in this incident, the person never posted. If he or she simply stuck around our board to read from June to November, relapsed, quit again this January, realized that maybe becoming a posting member could help his or her quit, he or she could have simply joined up for the first time. Instead by handling it the way he or she did, the person lost all ability to ever be a posting member again. This was a wasted opportunity for this person.

The last thing I want to point out from this incident is that the person very likely did any reading during the time he or she was a member. I am assuming this because of how the person titled his or her one and only post. It was titled, Nicodemon and I. It also had the term "nicodemon" in the body of the letter. Considering the fact that every single time the term "Nicodemon" has been written on the board since last June, 26 times in all, the post Once and for all, there is no Nicodemon has been kicked up. The fact that the person still had the belief of the legitimacy of that term, as well as no understanding of our relapse policy make it pretty clear that he or she did very little reading while at Freedom.

Recently we implemented a new last step in our application process. We are sending out our rules and regulations, relapse policy, our definition of cold turkey quitting and requiring that all applicants submit a response to us that they fully understand all of these terms and will abide to all of the rules. The reason we make it so difficult to get in is that we want to make sure we are getting the right people in at Freedom, or maybe more accurately, that we are getting people in at the right time in their quits and in their lives. The person involved in this incident obviously joined at the wrong time and it cost the person any chance of ever getting in again.

Back in June the person submitted an application saying he or she read the relapse policy, the courtesy and rules, and quit cold turkey. He or she got in the right words yet apparently read nothing of the rules. Again, this lack of understanding was his or her loss. We are trying to minimize the chances of this happening again.

If you are a new reader seeing Freedom for the first time, read and learn all you can here before you join. Even if you are off for days or weeks now, familiarize yourself with out materials. Make sure we are the right group for you and make sure that you are ready to commit to make this quit last forever. Whether you ever join up or not is not important, but learning all that you can to secure your reasons for having quit is crucial to your quit and may be crucial to your health and your life.

If you are already a member and didn't understand our Rules and Courtesies before, or our relapse policies, please go back and read them now. They are important at helping you to keep your membership as well as your quit.

The more you read and learn here at Freedom and at www.whyquit.com, the stronger your resolve will always stay to stick to the commitment that you made when you joined or should have made to yourself even if you never joined to never take another puff!

Joel

As per our relapse rules, the post from the member was pulled and the person's membership was deleted. As our rules clearly say:

RELAPSE PERMANENTLY REVOKES POSTING PRIVILEGES - Members are limited to one Freedom membership per lifetime. See Freedom's Relapse Policy.




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Joel Spitzer
Joined: 13 Nov 2008, 14:04

22 Feb 2013, 21:58 #116

Copied from above but applicable to a relapse that happened today:
[font=ARIAL, GEORGIA, 'TIMES NEW ROMAN', TIMES, SERIF]Sadly, I am bringing this one up today because a member did smoke. I always prefer to knock up this thread when this occurs, to illustrate how infrequently we have to pull posts from members who post a relapse. We never want to leave an impression to readers here that we hide the fact that relapse can happen. We make it clear in our rules that if a person posts a relapse they will instantly lose posting privileges and that the post will be removed. The person involved was nice enough to notify me by email, honoring our relapse policy of not posting on the board.

Members who relapse cannot join up again, but they still have access to all of our resources to help them to try to quit. I am going to attach some newer videos to this string addressing this issue:




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Joel Spitzer
Joined: 13 Nov 2008, 14:04

21 May 2013, 10:28 #117

Sadly, having to pop this up because of a member losing his posting privileges due to cigar use. Here is the link to a string that addresses the issue of cigars and nicotine: http://ffn.yuku.com/topic/22895

Joel Spitzer
Joined: 13 Nov 2008, 14:04

15 Nov 2013, 14:32 #118

[font=ARIAL, GEORGIA, 'TIMES NEW ROMAN', TIMES, SERIF]Sadly, I am bringing this one up today because a member did smoke. I always prefer to knock up this thread when this occurs, to illustrate how infrequently we have to pull posts from members who post a relapse. We never want to leave an impression to readers here that we hide the fact that relapse can happen. We make it clear in our rules that if a person posts a relapse they will instantly lose posting privileges and that the post will be removed. The person involved was nice enough to notify me by email, honoring our relapse policy of not posting on the board.[/font]
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Members who relapse cannot join up again, but they still have access to all of our resources to help them to try to quit. 


Special note on this particular case. I am not really sure if the person involved feels that he or she has actually relapsed, as the person informed us that he or she has taken up e-cigarettes. 


Here are a couple of videos addressing this particular issue:


Nicotine is nicotine is nicotine
Nicotine Addiction
First television ads for e-cigarettes with the theme "Reclaim your freedom"





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Joel Spitzer
Joined: 13 Nov 2008, 14:04

26 Jan 2014, 03:57 #119

Sadly, I am bringing this one up today because a member did smoke. I always prefer to knock up this thread when this occurs, to illustrate how infrequently we have to pull posts from members who post a relapse. We never want to leave an impression to readers here that we hide the fact that relapse can happen. We make it clear in our rules that if a person posts a relapse they will instantly lose posting privileges and that the post will be removed. The person involved was nice enough to notify me by email, honoring our relapse policy of not posting on the board.

Members who relapse cannot join up again, but they still have access to all of our resources to help them to try to quit.

Joel Spitzer
Joined: 13 Nov 2008, 14:04

11 Jun 2014, 21:39 #120

Sadly, I am bringing this one up today because a member did smoke. I always prefer to knock up this thread when this occurs, to illustrate how infrequently we have to pull posts from members who post a relapse. We never want to leave an impression to readers here that we hide the fact that relapse can happen. We make it clear in our rules that if a person posts a relapse they will instantly lose posting privileges and that the post will be removed. The person involved was nice enough to notify me by email, honoring our relapse policy of not posting on the board.

Members who relapse cannot join up again, but they still have access to all of our resources to help them to try to quit.