Freedom - Your Journey to Comfort

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19 Apr 2002, 20:21 #11

Sometimes when things get a bit slow here at Freedom - normally around the weekends, holidays, springtime or world crisis, there arises almost a natural temptation to try and MAKE something happen, whether in the form of celebration, distraction or crisis. In the early days of Freedom's existence I felt it too! But, we thank each of you for avoiding such temptations. It's ok when things slow down a bit. Freedom remains strong and here for all, should the need ever arise!


It's wonderful when our membership takes a collective deep breath or a bit of time to enjoy the depth of their healing or the world around them! It's why we're here. These are special times for all of us, and once beyond the early challenges we each need to take care not to become slaves to a new master - a computer screen!


Things may seem a bit slow at times but we're here if and when you need us! Still just one rule determining which side fo the bars we'll spend the balance of life ... no nicotine just one day at a time!

John - The Gold Club
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24 Apr 2002, 11:01 #12

I'm constantly amazed at how so many previously nicotine dependent humans can be in one place, at one time, and get along so well together. Understanding the anxieties associated with recovery and withdrawal, you'd think we'd be at each other's throats but it just doesn't happen! It's beautiful! Freedom is what it is because of the collective efforts of hundreds of wonderful STARTERS (quitters with positive attitudes). It's all your fault!

Keep in mind that every now and then communications may seem to break down and a member ends up feeling slighted after reading shallow words on a deep screen that may or may not not reflect the same spirit or tone with which the sender sent them. If you ever feel badly regarding anything that you see or feel here at Freedom, please take the time to either send the person a quick email or email the managers and let them know. Life is too short to spend even one sleepless night on a toss-turning pillow!

Also, we encourage all of you to not rely upon hearsay when told by third parties how the managers think our why they reacted in a given manner. If you ever have ANY questions, we'll each do our best to provide honest and frank answers. Again, all we ask is the courtesy of an email. Thanks again to each of you for making Freedom the powerful tool that it has become! It's all of us as there is no "I" in T.E.A.M. !
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25 Apr 2002, 22:30 #13

I came upon this post whilst pottering around, and I just want to say a great big thank you to all the "Givers" I only hope that one day I will be able to help others the way I have been and in fact am still being helped, lots of love to all of you.
Naymor xxxx
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09 May 2002, 00:36 #14



Thanks Freedom!

As Freedom's pool of skilled graduates continues to build, the support workload gets a bit lighter on each of us! It's wonderful seeing so many seasoned graduates drop in now and then to check on the well-being of Freedom's newest generation, while recharging their own batteries! It's also inspiring seeing so many staying on and lending a hand with the daily concerns and needs of those following in their footsteps.

The only way that a forum such as Freedom could possibly stay as serious and focused as it is, is with the cooperation, desire and caring of each and every member! Although you each take tremendous pride in your individual accomplishments, you also have a right to feel an immense pride in the critical education and support roles you've played in the lives of so many others

John - The Gold Club
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24 May 2002, 10:00 #15

Back in my early days I used to find time to visit other support groups. In fact, before Freedom was born I posted at three different forums almost daily. I loved it! I'm sure that I wasn't half as good at supporting others as my ego thought it was, but still, it was a wonderful feeling trying my best to help newbies get over those big big bumps. Deep in my mind I kept saying, if I can do it, anyone can!


Anyway, I don't have time to visit other sites anymore - none - but for those who do I strongly encourage you to not attempt to impose our beliefs on those engaged in quitting by other means. The bottom line is that a nicotine patch quitter who makes it, is just as quit, and just as proud, as you or I! They are our brothers and sisters and we root for them like we root for each other!


What I want to say is thanks, thanks, thanks! I don't have to visit other forums to know what's happening out there. Freedom is different - very different - and it is because you've made it different. It would only take a couple of members to disrupt the focus of any forum, including ours!

It's amazing what you've created! It's amazing to watch so MANY wonderful and skilled givers! I know I speak for all the Managers and Joel when I say, thank you Freedom! Thank you!
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08 Jun 2002, 01:26 #16



Thank you Freedom!

I just read through the replies to a rare happening around here -- Joel starting a daily parade (LOL) -- and I couldn't help but leave with the feeling that our member really do understand and appreciate the tremendous focus and seriousness maintained by the entire group. Thank you, thank you, thanks to each and every one of you!
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04 Jul 2002, 03:23 #17

A SPECIAL TRIBUTE thread was just started by one of Freedom's newer members and although the tribute is wonderful, Freedom has members from probably 50 or so nations around the globe, and there are literally thousands and thousands of un-smoking related causes for which we could start legitimate and well deserved tribute threads. To start a daily milestone parade with a theme is one thing but to see our membership starting tribute threads is entirely another. It's a slippery slope that gets into all other nation tributes, disaster tributesm, birthday tributes, anniversary tributes, or even pet tributes.

Our mission is critical - to save lives. If a new two pack a day smoker arrives looking for serious help and they're just one month away from that first cancerous cell developing, and the very first thread they click on is a 911 or U.S. tribute, what are the chances they'll stay? What are the chances they'll live. Please think about it. Thanks John
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04 Jul 2002, 04:14 #18

Hi John:

Didn't mean to offend anybody by my post. I have deleted it.

Also I was just remembering that wonderful post that Joel wrote about Memorial day a while back when I wrote about the 4th of July today....


Thanks...Judy
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04 Jul 2002, 04:33 #19

Judy, it's not a matter of offending anyone, it's a matter of what we're about here at Freedom. If you go back and look at our threads on 9/11, and how we responded here at Freedom, we made it a special point to stay on message. Tobacco will kill four million the year. That's a lot of folks. Thanks.
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04 Jul 2002, 04:36 #20

Hi John:

No I have never looked at the posts from 9/11. I will read them...

Thanks...Judy

And Yes, Smoking does kill 4 million people a Year and that is what we are here for......
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04 Jul 2002, 04:38 #21

ONE MORE THING JOHN:

I am not sure where those Threads Are...

Can you please post them for me???

Thanks...Judy
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04 Jul 2002, 04:46 #22

Hello Judy:

I didn't see the post you did about the 4th of July so I am limited to what I can say about it. The post I did about Memorial Day was really taking the opportunity of the holiday to do a little historical education about smoking and the toll that it took on American soldiers who were in fact some of the earliest victims of smoking related diseases because of the way cigarettes were given relatively freely to the soldiers of World War I and World War II as part of their rations.

In the Summertime post I did today, where I started to talk about the 4th of July holiday, I again tried to make the message all inclusive--it was not that we were trying to get every one at Freedom from all countries to honor or celebrate an American holiday--rather I was trying to get everyone at Freedom to appreciate every day as not smoking as Independence Day no matter what date of the year it is and no matter what country you are from.

That is the trick in trying to keeping the board focused--not to ignore the world happening around us but to try to use events that happen around us as a backdrop for delivering a message that reinforces people to stay smoke free.

I do cover the 4th of July Holiday because it is one day that often creates strong triggers for some people when it comes to smoking. Some people remember lighting fire crackers with cigarettes when they were first starting smoking. Many people remember smoking while watching fire works and if this is there first year being smoke free this specific activity will be a trigger. People get together with certain people at picnics and parades that only happen once a year on the 4th of July so these events too may be triggers. Again, the reason for bringing up the holiday is not to celebrate the event--it is to prepare our members and lurkers who may be facing such events to be ready for thought if they happen for these activities may indeed be triggers.

Again, everyone here should be celebrating tomorrow their day of independence--not because it is an American holiday but because of the fact that they stayed independent for one more day, and will stay independent every day in the future as long as they always remember to never take another puff!

Joel
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04 Jul 2002, 05:00 #23

Hi Joel:

Thank you for the wonderful response.

Yes, you did talk about the soldiers in that thread and how smoking had affected so many of them. I in return talked about my father and how he started to smoke in the war. It was a wonderful Thread and it was not just about the holiday.

Yes, we do have to direct all the threads here to give everybody support in their quits. That is the most important thing here. Yes I deleted my thread because it was more geared towards the Holiday rather than smoking. Although I did mention about being smoke free during the holiday... It was not enough...

John has explained everything to me and I do thank you both for being the backbone in my quit.... For both being there for me when I need you.....

Thank You.

Judy
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24 Aug 2002, 18:17 #24

A struggling visitor is knocking at the door. It's day two of his quit and he has arrived at Freedom with doubts flooding his mind. Two rather intense anxiety crave episodes so far, he has three to go to make it thought the day. As with over 4 million other smokers this year, both time and opportunities have run out. Unless successful today the heart attack next month will be fatal. His mind has tried to convince him that his last two minute crave anxiety attack was more like two hours long. He is giving his all while knowing almost nothing at all about quitting. The first thread he clicks upon turns out to be a birthday party. Desperate, he decides to try another. This time his anxieties are greeted by a comfortable and highly successful six month quitter describing in great detail how horribly brutal their day has been. Discouraged, he turns off his computer, relapses, and dies.

There are thousands and thousands of wonderful social forums on the net that were designed and created to share and comfort their members when life gets rough, or to celebrate and share when things are good! It's what they're all about. The groups are sorted by age, sex, location, hobbies, political philosophy, religion, occupation, and hundreds of other categories. Here are a couple of links:
If any of you would like to discuss our policies with the managers please do so by email and not on the Boards. We know this isn't easy. We sincerely thank all of you for helping keep the focus here at Freedom on our mission - freeing those dependent upon nicotine! I know I speak for all the managers is saying THANK YOU FREEDOM!
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13 Oct 2002, 04:24 #25

Thank You Freedom! As you may have noticed, over the past couple of weeks we've had some rather major construction work ongoing at WhyQuit that has occupied vast chuncks of time of not only the managers but of some of our more seasoned graduates too. Although we've kept one eye on thing, there really is little to be concerned over as Freedom's newest newbies are always surrounded by some of the most educated and skilled cessation givers anywhere on earth! Thanks to all for helping Freedom maintain its focus! Today is doable!
Breathe deep, hug hard, live long! John : )
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21 Oct 2002, 20:02 #26

A Message to Prospective Members
Is Freedom Right for You?
As you'll quickly notice, Freedom remains highly focused on a single topic Freedom from nicotine! With smoking today costing half of all smokers over 5,000 days of life, we are deadly serious about our mission.
If you're here to end your chemical dependency upon nicotine and take back control of your life then you're in the right place. But if you have other needs that you think Freedom should fulfill then Freedom may not be right for you.
There are no days, hours or minutes off from our mission. There are no subject matter exception to our focus posting requirement - it's 100% freedom from nicotine. Every now and then we get a member whose initial agenda is different than Freedom's. We also have to deal with the reality that 100% of our members are on a journey that is moving them away from needing the tremendous front-end focus that defines our mission and comes with mastering the ABCs of nicotine cessation.
Having to expend time and energy in corrective action to maintain forum focus is our least favorite expenditure of time. We have provided a list of links to other forums that you'll find on www.WhyQuit.com in the lower right corner. Some of these forums have no subject matter posting requirements whatsoever and almost anything goes.
If you find Freedom's mission focus is in any way troubling to you now then such feelings are likely to only grow more troubling as comfort begins to arrive. All are free to read, use or even print all of our articles and materials but posting privileges are reserved for those who understand the importance of our mission.
Thanks in advance for reflecting upon the importance of our mission. Regardless of the forum you choose, always remember that once established chemical addiction is a permanent condition. To keep your dependeny under arrest requires only that you NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF! John
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14 Nov 2002, 00:46 #27


Thanks Freedom for always doing your very best to make sure that every thread opened by any visitor to these boards will be a welcome invitation to stay, read and learn at what may very well be the most focused online cessation tool anywhere. They're not here seaching for a social life, to debate or to be entertained. They came in search of knowledge and serious support in helping them arrest their addiction. It's who we are, it's all we strive to be, and we wouldn't be the tool we are, without the amazing cooperaton of all of Freedom's members! Thanks!
NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!
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27 Nov 2002, 22:36 #28

If the intense focus demanded by this forum begins to bother you then please try and understand that it's not necessarily a bad sign. It may mean that you are getting along in your quit and growing just a wee bit tired of the endless hammering of the ABC's of nicotine cessation and the intense focus that will always be the hallmark of this site. But as the ABC's become second nature to you it's easy to lose sight of the fact that the ABC's are what this place is all about.

During 2002 our members on a whole have done a fantastic job of understanding and appreciating the evolution of their online needs. It really is akin to high school graduates outgrowing the school's programs or teens growing up and finding mom and dad's house rules just too darn confining.

The entire forum is extremely thankful that so many in harmony with Freedom's core teachings choose to stay and help support the the next generation of arrivals. But we are just as thankful to all those members who realize that they've outgrown Freedom's structured confines, yet handle this simple reality in a mature manner. To attack, disrupt or even destroy this forum would be so so easy. Thank you Freedom !
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11 Jan 2003, 10:57 #29

As some of our newest members may have already discovered Freedom marches to its own drummer. It's no accident that the focus here is so serious and single minded. The single mindedness flows from the realization that there are only two options, freedom or feedom. The tremendous focus maintained here is in large part derived by most members developing an educated appreciation of just how serious every member's quest for freedom actually is.

This thread only asks that each new member to take a moment and reflect upon the simple fact that as your quit matures and comfort begins to arrive, you may possibly tire of constantly hearing the ABC's of quitting, over and over and over again, as generation after generation of new members continue coming through the door. All we ask is that each of us dedicate ourselves to ensuring that the next generation arrives to the same serious and focused message that was present when we began our quest. There's only one rule - no nicotine - Never Take Another Puff! John - The Gold Club
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26 Jan 2003, 14:11 #30

If this place seems overly serious to you then
you've got it right. The bottom line is that
the cause of death for 50% of the smokers you
saw today will be the smoke you witnessed them
inhale. We wish we could sugar-coat nicotine's
destruction but is that what you really want or need?
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08 Feb 2003, 04:46 #31


" Out of respect for Freedom and what she has done for you, and others, we ask that as your quit matures into comfort and you begin to find the structure here at Freedom too confining that you act in a mature manner that ensures that all new arrivals will be able to enjoy the same life saving message that Glory Week shared with you! "
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31 Jul 2003, 11:09 #32

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I know we don't say it nearly enough but to one amazing group of givers we offer a simple thanks!

Over the months and years many of you have invested mountains of time in reaching out while motivating, educating and supporting Freedom's newest generation and in return receive only the warmth of knowing that you'vee touched the life of a faceless brother or sister, in an ohhhhh sooooo special way. I wish there were more but the warmth you feel is truly justified as together you've been one awesome team!
You're touching and changing lives!
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09 Sep 2003, 08:08 #33

I just read Richard's diversion post to Parker's anything goes parade and the biggest smile came over me. You are one amazing collection of folks! Think about it - it isn't easy staying 100% focused 100% of the time on only one issue -dependency recovery - but each and every one of you do an utterly amazing job. Although clearly not enough, I know I speak for scores of dedicated givers who are devoted to helping the next generation of arrivals taste their own lasting freedom when together we say thank you, thank you, thank you for helping keep this very special place the amazing tool it is!

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09 Oct 2003, 02:01 #34

We're told every once in a while that we need to be more like other forums and let members do their own thing, that we're taking quitting far too seriously, or questioning how we can call ourselves Freedom when there is no freedom of general socialization, freedom of speech to engage in discussions about issues other than nicotine dependency recovery or prevention, no freedom to advertise, and absolutely no freedom to explore toying with the latest quick-fix magic cure.

They're right in every regard except one, we have no desire to try and be like anything other than what we are - an education, motivation and support tool that will always and forever put education first. We're a serious classroom first and foremost, we have to be as nicotine dependency is not some multiple choice exam where the price of failure is simply some bad grade on a report card. Here a failing grade - one puff - is often a death sentence. Above the door it says Freedom from Smoking, not freedom to exercise personal liberties.

Does the classroom have rules with some rather intense focus? Absolutely! Too serious? I don't think so. My second live clinic had fourteen participants. Two weeks later eleven had remained nicotine free and graduated. I just learned that one of the three who didn't graduate isn't doing well in her battle with lung cancer.

The more than four million graves being filled by tobacco each year contain the bodies of our bother and sister nicotine addicts, half having died during middle-age, each an average of 22.5 years early. If they had arrived here looking for a serious recovery tool and only clicked upon one or two threads before making their decision on whether to read further, what would they have found?

We thank each and everyone of you for ensuring that those who do arrive are greeted with the single-minded sense of serious purpose reflected by in the phrase "just one day at a time Never Take Another Puff!"

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09 Oct 2003, 03:54 #35

Hello John:
I am sorry to hear about your clinic participant. This is a story that I have encountered many many times over the years. The longer I have been in the field the more often I encounter this kind of news. I just brought up a post that contains a story of one such clinic graduate, also named John, titled Past FAILURES. That story illustrates the point that whether or not the woman had succeeded in your clinic may not have made a difference in this particular case, being that she was in your clinic within the last year and very likely had cancer at the time she was quitting. But there is a possibility that your clinic was not the only attempt that she had ever made and if one of those earlier attempt had succeeded it may very well had made a real difference.
When I first started doing smoking clinics I didn't take the work I was doing any where as serious as I do today. Back then I knew the statistics of what smoking was doing, but they were still only statistics to me. By that I don't mean that statistics just say what a statistician wants them to say and were somehow not really true. Deep down I knew the numbers were real. But they were only numbers to me. As the years progressed though those numbers became people I knew. People like John in this story. I can put names and faces to almost every disease imaginable caused by smoking now. The stark reality of the devastation that smoking causes has strengthened my resolve to try to help prevent other such senseless losses. I suspect the same thing happens to you and each of our members as they become witnesses to the senseless loss of people they knew and cared for too.
So as this thread discusses, we take our mission serious here at Freedom. We hope each and every one of our members take their personal battle with cigarettes as seriously as we take our mission here at Freedom. I hope each and every member realizes that their early efforts here to sustain their own quits should be viewed an an effort to save his or her own life. I also want our longer term members who stick around to help assist others to know that they are also participating in an effort to help save the lives of all other members who participate here and even those people who just read here who never joined up. We take what we do here seriously because we realize that what we are doing is trying to help everyone who reads here to save their own health and their lives by staying totally committed in the decision that they made to never take another puff!
Joel
See also Our Mission Statement and Diversions. They are both strings that cover in depth the concept of keeping our site seriously focused on smoking cessation issues.
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