Courtesy and Rules - Rule #8 (Soliciting and spamming)

Courtesy and Rules - Rule #8 (Soliciting and spamming)

Joel
Joel

May 10th, 2005, 6:34 pm #1

Our Courtesies & Rules
Members are limited to one Freedom membership per lifetime.
Continuing membership is conditioned upon compliance with
the below forum Rules and Freedom's Relapse Policy
SOLICITING, SPAMMING OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROGRAMS, TAPES, BOOKS - Even though often well intended, these practices are prohibited. Freedom is free, with no purchase necessary!
VIOLATIONS - Violation of the forum's Rules shall result in permanent loss of membership and posting privileges.
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Joel
Joel

May 10th, 2005, 6:36 pm #2

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From: Joel Sent: 5/10/2005 4:25 AM
I just pulled a post that went into great detail mentioning particular brands and descriptions of specific alcoholic beverages. We don't want brand names of products mentioned here at Freedom for any products. No one is going to be able to use our site to promote any products. Alcoholic beverages are even more of a problem to us.

There are some people who are at this site who are recovering from other drugs as well as nicotine. There are a few people here who have told us that they were recovering alcoholics, there are many others who are in recovery and have not told us, and there is a chance that there are some people who are alcoholics or who may not have even recognized yet that they have a drinking problem.

Our board though is designed to deal with one addiction, nicotine, and we are careful not to let the board be distracted into other problems that are beyond the scope of what we are designed or qualified to deal with. The lessons that we teach about dealing with nicotine addiction are often transferable to other substances being that we are just treating nicotine addiction as an addiction, but we cannot go into specifically helping an individual get the true help and support they may need to quit drinking. Accordingly, we don't push the issue involved with alcohol use or any other recreational drug use.

At the same time, we never want to do anything at this site to be promoting any specific alcohol products or doing anything to glamorizing drinking at all. We think that glamorizing drinking at a site where some of the members are recovering alcoholics and are coming to this site to deal with a drug addiction is basically in very poor taste.

As this rule states:

SOLICITING, SPAMMING OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROGRAMS, TAPES, BOOKS - Even though often well intended, these practices are prohibited.

In our next revision we will likely add a comment of "and any other products or services" to the line "PROGRAMS, TAPES, BOOKS". For now though everyone should know that recommending or glamorizing specific alcoholic beverages in any way is breaking this rule and as it says above:
VIOLATIONS - Violation of the forum's Rules shall result in permanent loss of membership and posting privileges.
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Joel
Joel

May 10th, 2005, 6:49 pm #3

From the string Crutches to Quit Smoking
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From: Joel. Sent: 3/16/2002 6:05 PM
As in the post above, comments are coming to me via email that many of our posts have a heavy drinking influence about them. It appears that some people may get the impression that drinking is condoned as an alternative behavior to smoking. It used to be where you would go to AA meetings and it would appear that everyone was smoking. I personally encountered numerous people who went into alcohol treatment programs as never smokers and who came out of treatment heavy addicted smokers. It was obvious that their encouraged behavior was a direct crutch replacement. We don't want anyone to get the same impression about drinking as a replacement to smoking. I want this statement to be perfectly clear...DO NOT INCREASE DRINKING OF ALCOHOL IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM NOW THAT YOU HAVE QUIT SMOKING. Also, do not use this site to glamorize drinking. There are people here who are recovering alcoholics who find posting about the fun and glamour of drinking to be quite disconcerting. Also, the frequent use of the emoticons, portraying a mug or a champaign toast are really seen as poor taste to these people. Put yourself in their place--if you belonged to a site that was on a totally different topic, and people came in touting the joys of recreational smoking, you would feel the need to enlighten the group or could be offended and annoyed with the casual way the subject was being portrayed. You could then either feel the need to take it head on and stir up debate with the group, or just leave the group. Neither of these options is acceptable to us at Freedom--for we have strict policies about diversional posts, and the idea of a person leaving because of an issue that is really unnecessary is abhorrent to us. Because the people who are here trying to secure their quits are here because they are fighting for their lives. Their needs then take precedent over people who are here for more social or fun reasons.

Freedom is a quit smoking education and support site. We try to get the message out that life goes on without smoking--things you could do before can still be done after quitting. Things that could not be done before, such as safe or controlled drinking for a recovering alcoholic cannot be done now either. So as a general rule of thumb now, we are asking members to minimize the amount of time they are posting about drinking at this site. We have ample strings to cover alcohol issues. We will continue to bring them up as holidays come up, and around weekends where drinking situations are often encountered more frequently. But we ask that people who are regular users of alcohol not to raise the issue over and over again.

Joel

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Joel
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May 23rd, 2005, 11:53 am #4

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Joel
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June 3rd, 2005, 9:16 am #5

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Joel
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June 25th, 2005, 12:18 am #6

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Joel
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July 8th, 2005, 7:26 pm #7

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GrumpyOMrsS (Gold)
GrumpyOMrsS (Gold)

July 16th, 2005, 10:41 am #8

Our Courtesies & Rules
Members are limited to one Freedom membership per lifetime.
Continuing membership is conditioned upon compliance with
the below forum Rules and Freedom's Relapse Policy
SOLICITING, SPAMMING OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROGRAMS, TAPES, BOOKS - Even though often well intended, these practices are prohibited. Freedom is free, with no purchase necessary!
VIOLATIONS - Violation of the forum's Rules shall result in permanent loss of membership and posting privileges.
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Joel
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July 26th, 2005, 2:22 am #9

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Joel
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August 6th, 2005, 3:35 am #10

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Joel
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August 21st, 2005, 11:42 pm #11

Our Courtesies & Rules
Members are limited to one Freedom membership per lifetime.
Continuing membership is conditioned upon compliance with
the below forum Rules and Freedom's Relapse Policy
SOLICITING, SPAMMING OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROGRAMS, TAPES, BOOKS - Even though often well intended, these practices are prohibited. Freedom is free, with no purchase necessary!
VIOLATIONS - Violation of the forum's Rules shall result in permanent loss of membership and posting privileges.
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Joel
Joel

August 21st, 2005, 11:57 pm #12

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From: John (Gold) Sent: 3/14/2004 10:33 AM
DIETING RECOMMENDATIONS
Members are not permitted to render advice or make recommendations on these topics. If you have specific health concerns, medication or herb questions or need dieting assistance,please seek the assistance of qualified professionals.
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROGRAMS, TAPES, BOOKS
Even though often well intended, these practices are prohibited. Freedom is free, with no purchase necessary.
MESSAGE TO OUR NEWER MEMBERS
Many of our members made purchases or stopped making purchases during their own recovery that they may naturally tend to believe had far more impact upon their success than may have actually been the case.
It is NOT necessary that members take-up or give-up any product or program in order to arrest their dependency upon nicotine. There is only one reason why each of us have arrested our dependency and it's that we stopped putting it into our body. There is only one rule that we each need follow in order to keep it under arrest, no nicotine today ... Never Take Another Puff!
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Joanne Gold
Joanne Gold

January 23rd, 2006, 10:38 am #13

SOLICITING, SPAMMING OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROGRAMS, TAPES, BOOKS OR PRODUCTS - Even though often well intended, these practices are prohibited. Freedom is free, with no purchase necessary and no product recommendations!
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Kristen Goldx3
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January 26th, 2006, 6:11 am #14

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Joel
Joel

February 10th, 2006, 11:26 pm #15

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Joel
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March 22nd, 2006, 1:34 am #16

RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROGRAMS, TAPES, BOOKS

Even though often well intended, these practices are prohibited. Freedom is free, with no purchase necessary.

MESSAGE TO OUR NEWER MEMBERS

Many of our members made purchases or stopped making purchases during their own recovery that they may naturally tend to believe had far more impact upon their success than may have actually been the case.

It is NOT necessary that members take-up or give-up any product or program in order to arrest their dependency upon nicotine. There is only one reason why each of us have arrested our dependency and it's that we stopped putting it into our body. There is only one rule that we each need follow in order to keep it under arrest, no nicotine today ... Never Take Another Puff!
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Rickgoldx5
Rickgoldx5

March 27th, 2006, 1:06 am #17

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Joel
Joel

May 18th, 2006, 1:12 am #18

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Joel
Joel

May 25th, 2006, 3:33 am #19

DIETING RECOMMENDATIONS

Members are not permitted to render advice or make recommendations on these topics. If you have specific health concerns, medication or herb questions or need dieting assistance,please seek the assistance of qualified professionals.

RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROGRAMS, TAPES, BOOKS

Even though often well intended, these practices are prohibited. Freedom is free, with no purchase necessary.

MESSAGE TO OUR NEWER MEMBERS

Many of our members made purchases or stopped making purchases during their own recovery that they may naturally tend to believe had far more impact upon their success than may have actually been the case.

It is NOT necessary that members take-up or give-up any product or program in order to arrest their dependency upon nicotine. There is only one reason why each of us have arrested our dependency and it's that we stopped putting it into our body. There is only one rule that we each need follow in order to keep it under arrest, no nicotine today ... Never Take Another Puff!
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Joel
Joel

July 28th, 2006, 10:45 am #20

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Joel
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July 29th, 2006, 6:24 am #21

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Joel
Joel

August 12th, 2006, 5:00 am #22

MESSAGE TO OUR NEWER MEMBERS

Many of our members made purchases or stopped making purchases during their own recovery that they may naturally tend to believe had far more impact upon their success than may have actually been the case.

It is NOT necessary that members take-up or give-up any product or program in order to arrest their dependency upon nicotine. There is only one reason why each of us have arrested our dependency and it's that we stopped putting it into our body. There is only one rule that we each need follow in order to keep it under arrest, no nicotine today ... Never Take Another Puff!
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Joel
Joel

August 12th, 2006, 7:41 pm #23

I saw a brand name of a product mentioned in a post. No one should mention brand names of any products at this site.

As far as for the ads that appear at the top of these pages, we don't want any of our members and readers to ever get confused by them. We do not endorse any product, organization, health or fitness aid, or any service that pops up at the boards.

If a member ever puts up such an endorsement we will remove the post as per Our Courtesies. If we had any way to control MSN from placing such ads we would but as of this time we do not. The only thing we can do is to educate our readers so that they are not taken in by the practices of any of these MSN sponsors.
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Rickgoldx5
Rickgoldx5

August 13th, 2006, 1:21 pm #24

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Joel
Joel

August 14th, 2006, 7:05 pm #25

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