Courtesy and Rules-Courtesy #4 (Posting to crisis posts)

Courtesy and Rules-Courtesy #4 (Posting to crisis posts)

Joel
Joel

June 4th, 2005, 11:41 pm #1

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Joel
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June 4th, 2005, 11:50 pm #2

I just pulled a membership and an entire string from a member who was having problems with smoking thoughts at almost a year after quitting. I didn't pull the string because we are trying to create the perception that people don't have thoughts about smoking after being off for a long time. I pulled it because the post was being brought up repeatedly over the past 12 hours. Every time I checked in on the board it was the string at the top.

Here is a copy of the last post I put in that string. 20 minutes later a member posted another comment basically saying what was said by many already. So the post was pulled along with the members posting privileges.


(This part of the message was in clear black letters.)
I can see this thread is going to keep being at the top of the screen unless we do something to stop it. So here goes.

Other than the original poster, no one should post to this thread again. As to why, here are some comments that were kicked up earlier this morning:

From the thread Bringing negative posts to the top
I want to make it clear that it is not that I am trying to stop people from when they are experiencing bad times and thus having negative posts. It is the act bringing up the thread over and over thoughout the day or worse yet, resurrecting old negative posts at a time when they are no longer current or relevant. These actions are giving the thread and inordinate amount of play. This can make the quitting experience seem overall tougher at times to all readers than it may actually be for the person who wrote the string that is getting all of the attention. Does quitting have the potential of causing some discomfort and can the adjustments to life without smoking cause some difficult times? Sure it can. But when contrasted to the pain, agony and disruption that smoking can cause, the effects experienced from quitting are minor in comparison. Smoking will cost you a fortune and can cause pain, agony, suffering AND death. To some degree it does the first three effects to most smokers at one time or another, and as far as the last effect-killing the individual, it ends up doing this to one out of every two smokers. To avoid the pain, agony and total loss of everything that can be caused by smoking always stay resolute in your resolve to never take another puff!

From the thread What Can Freedom Do For Me?


There is an important underlying message in many of the posts put up by our members and managers when we are asked to help a person in distress. That message is for the member to read, read, read. We have provided a great wealth of information here at Freedom and at WhyQuit.com about the addiction and a lot of posts from all of our members with real life examples of how a smoke free life is a real possibility for any person wanting to stay quit. I get letters daily from members and non-members thanking us for providing these materials and who say that they have spent hour upon hour reading all of the materials in the Quit Library and on the board. They make it clear that many things they read over and over again to secure their quits. You can tell that these people are spending a lot of time working at securing their quits. Its interesting because I never got an email from a disgruntled ex-smoker who has said that he or she was really mad because of all of the time that he or she has wasted reading these materials over and over again.

There are times though where I will get a letter from a person who has relapsed who will say with great regret that he or she wished that he or she had done more to secure his or her quits. Sometimes these are from people who were once long-term ex-smokers and now have been smoking years or decades because they didn't put enough of a priority on staying quit.



Again this comes down to the issue of what can Freedom do for you in securing your quit. We can do what we are doing--providing you information on the dangers of smoking, enhancing your knowledge on the process of quitting and the importance of keeping your guard up and your ammunition reinforced of why you want to stay smoke free. How we do this is by having this site and WhyQuit.com up and going 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year, as long as MSN and our webhost servers stay up and going. It is crucial to note though that your quit is not going to stay easy by us just doing our part. The fact is that each and every member and reader is going to have to do his or her own part if this quit is going to stay on track. Your part is to read and learn as much as you can, on bad days and occasionally on good ones too. In fact, the more good days you spend a little time reading here at Freedom, the less bad days you are likely ever to experience. Read and learn as much as you can here. The more you read the stronger your quit will stay and the more resolute you will always be in the commitment you made when you joined up at Freedom to never take another puff!



Joel

From Courtesies & Rules

POSTING TO CRISIS POSTS - Crisis threads bring normal group activity to a halt as all attention turns to the crisis. All thread titles calling for immediate group action must reflect current circumstances and cannot be allowed to falsely suggest that a member's crisis still exists when it has already passed. Members must immediately cease posting to any crisis thread once the member posts back indicating that the crisis has passed (see "Bringing negative posts to the top").



While the rule says that once a member posts back that he or she is fine posts to the thread shall cease. In the event that a member does not post back to the replies, we are only going to let people post to the thread for a limited period of time. The time for this thread is now up.

Posting to this thread again will cause the sting to be deleted and the offending member to lose his or her posting privileges.


Do not post to this string. (This line was originally in bright bold red to make sure it would be seen by anyone reading at this string)


Posting to this string again will cause immediate loss of posting privileges!
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Joel
Joel

May 25th, 2007, 9:11 pm #3

From above:
From: Joel Sent: 2/3/2007 9:38 AM
I just put the following comment in the string Bringing negative posts to the top. I am trying to preempt a problem here, and trying to give a little insight to all who post here how to operate within or guidelines on how to respond to crisis posts once the crisis has passed:

I saw where a newer member put up a call for help. A few members posted advice into her string, and I popped up a few posts for her to read. She just acknowledged that she read those strings, thanked the people that responded, and most importantly wrote that she was feeling better now. She did good.

I am popping up this string now to make it clear to all others why we should allow that post to drop. I could right now put in the do not post comment into her thread, popping it up for one last time before forcing it to drop, but I am going to take a chance here that maybe our members will read this and realize why they themselves should let the post drop.

If anyone would like to offer her a little encouragement, they can find her original post and give her a quick hello and congratulate her on getting through a tougher moment. Those comments will be seen in her original string for a whole lot longer than they will in this morning's string, for one way or another that string is going to fall off the board. in a day or so.
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Joel
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June 1st, 2007, 3:48 pm #4

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June 1st, 2007, 10:00 pm #5

From last week:
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Recommend Delete Message 16 of 17 in Discussion
From: Joel Sent: 5/25/2007 8:11 AM
From above:
From: Joel Sent: 2/3/2007 9:38 AM
I just put the following comment in the string Bringing negative posts to the top. I am trying to preempt a problem here, and trying to give a little insight to all who post here how to operate within or guidelines on how to respond to crisis posts once the crisis has passed:

I saw where a newer member put up a call for help. A few members posted advice into her string, and I popped up a few posts for her to read. She just acknowledged that she read those strings, thanked the people that responded, and most importantly wrote that she was feeling better now. She did good.

I am popping up this string now to make it clear to all others why we should allow that post to drop. I could right now put in the do not post comment into her thread, popping it up for one last time before forcing it to drop, but I am going to take a chance here that maybe our members will read this and realize why they themselves should let the post drop.

If anyone would like to offer her a little encouragement, they can find her original post and give her a quick hello and congratulate her on getting through a tougher moment. Those comments will be seen in her original string for a whole lot longer than they will in this morning's string, for one way or another that string is going to fall off the board. in a day or so.
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Joel
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June 10th, 2007, 11:58 am #6

From above:

From: Joel Sent: 2/3/2007 9:38 AM

I just put the following comment in the string Bringing negative posts to the top. I am trying to preempt a problem here, and trying to give a little insight to all who post here how to operate within or guidelines on how to respond to crisis posts once the crisis has passed:

I saw where a newer member put up a call for help. A few members posted advice into her string, and I popped up a few posts for her to read. She just acknowledged that she read those strings, thanked the people that responded, and most importantly wrote that she was feeling better now. She did good.

I am popping up this string now to make it clear to all others why we should allow that post to drop. I could right now put in the do not post comment into her thread, popping it up for one last time before forcing it to drop, but I am going to take a chance here that maybe our members will read this and realize why they themselves should let the post drop.

If anyone would like to offer her a little encouragement, they can find her original post and give her a quick hello and congratulate her on getting through a tougher moment. Those comments will be seen in her original string for a whole lot longer than they will in this morning's string, for one way or another that string is going to fall off the board. in a day or so.
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Joel
Joel

June 12th, 2007, 12:24 am #7

From above:
Reply
Recommend Delete Message 12 of 12 in Discussion
From: Joel Sent: 2/3/2007 9:38 AM
I just put the following comment in the string Bringing negative posts to the top. I am trying to preempt a problem here, and trying to give a little insight to all who post here how to operate within or guidelines on how to respond to crisis posts once the crisis has passed:

I saw where a newer member put up a call for help. A few members posted advice into her string, and I popped up a few posts for her to read. She just acknowledged that she read those strings, thanked the people that responded, and most importantly wrote that she was feeling better now. She did good.

I am popping up this string now to make it clear to all others why we should allow that post to drop. I could right now put in the do not post comment into her thread, popping it up for one last time before forcing it to drop, but I am going to take a chance here that maybe our members will read this and realize why they themselves should let the post drop.

If anyone would like to offer her a little encouragement, they can find her original post and give her a quick hello and congratulate her on getting through a tougher moment. Those comments will be seen in her original string for a whole lot longer than they will in this morning's string, for one way or another that string is going to fall off the board. in a day or so.

Also from above:

From Courtesies & Rules

POSTING TO CRISIS POSTS - Crisis threads bring normal group activity to a halt as all attention turns to the crisis. All thread titles calling for immediate group action must reflect current circumstances and cannot be allowed to falsely suggest that a member's crisis still exists when it has already passed. Members must immediately cease posting to any crisis thread once the member posts back indicating that the crisis has passed (see "Bringing negative posts to the top").



While the rule says that once a member posts back that he or she is fine posts to the thread shall cease. In the event that a member does not post back to the replies, we are only going to let people post to the thread for a limited period of time. The time for this thread is now up.

Posting to this thread again will cause the sting to be deleted and the offending member to lose his or her posting privileges.

One more from above:

Reply
Recommend Message 2 of 6 in Discussion
From: Joel Sent: 6/4/2005 10:50 AM
I just pulled a membership and an entire string from a member who was having problems with smoking thoughts at almost a year after quitting. I didn't pull the string because we are trying to create the perception that people don't have thoughts about smoking after being off for a long time. I pulled it because the post was being brought up repeatedly over the past 12 hours. Every time I checked in on the board it was the string at the top.

Here is a copy of the last post I put in that string. 20 minutes later a member posted another comment basically saying what was said by many already. So the post was pulled along with the members posting privileges.


(This part of the message was in clear black letters.)
I can see this thread is going to keep being at the top of the screen unless we do something to stop it. So here goes.

No one should post to this thread again. As to why, here are some comments that were kicked up earlier this morning:

From the thread Bringing negative posts to the top
I want to make it clear that it is not that I am trying to stop people from when they are experiencing bad times and thus having negative posts. It is the act bringing up the thread over and over thoughout the day or worse yet, resurrecting old negative posts at a time when they are no longer current or relevant. These actions are giving the thread and inordinate amount of play. This can make the quitting experience seem overall tougher at times to all readers than it may actually be for the person who wrote the string that is getting all of the attention. Does quitting have the potential of causing some discomfort and can the adjustments to life without smoking cause some difficult times? Sure it can. But when contrasted to the pain, agony and disruption that smoking can cause, the effects experienced from quitting are minor in comparison. Smoking will cost you a fortune and can cause pain, agony, suffering AND death. To some degree it does the first three effects to most smokers at one time or another, and as far as the last effect-killing the individual, it ends up doing this to one out of every two smokers. To avoid the pain, agony and total loss of everything that can be caused by smoking always stay resolute in your resolve to never take another puff!

From the thread What Can Freedom Do For Me?


There is an important underlying message in many of the posts put up by our members and managers when we are asked to help a person in distress. That message is for the member to read, read, read. We have provided a great wealth of information here at Freedom and at WhyQuit.com about the addiction and a lot of posts from all of our members with real life examples of how a smoke free life is a real possibility for any person wanting to stay quit. I get letters daily from members and non-members thanking us for providing these materials and who say that they have spent hour upon hour reading all of the materials in the Quit Library and on the board. They make it clear that many things they read over and over again to secure their quits. You can tell that these people are spending a lot of time working at securing their quits. Its interesting because I never got an email from a disgruntled ex-smoker who has said that he or she was really mad because of all of the time that he or she has wasted reading these materials over and over again.

There are times though where I will get a letter from a person who has relapsed who will say with great regret that he or she wished that he or she had done more to secure his or her quits. Sometimes these are from people who were once long-term ex-smokers and now have been smoking years or decades because they didn't put enough of a priority on staying quit.



Again this comes down to the issue of what can Freedom do for you in securing your quit. We can do what we are doing--providing you information on the dangers of smoking, enhancing your knowledge on the process of quitting and the importance of keeping your guard up and your ammunition reinforced of why you want to stay smoke free. How we do this is by having this site and WhyQuit.com up and going 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year, as long as MSN and our webhost servers stay up and going. It is crucial to note though that your quit is not going to stay easy by us just doing our part. The fact is that each and every member and reader is going to have to do his or her own part if this quit is going to stay on track. Your part is to read and learn as much as you can, on bad days and occasionally on good ones too. In fact, the more good days you spend a little time reading here at Freedom, the less bad days you are likely ever to experience. Read and learn as much as you can here. The more you read the stronger your quit will stay and the more resolute you will always be in the commitment you made when you joined up at Freedom to never take another puff!



Joel

From Courtesies & Rules

POSTING TO CRISIS POSTS - Crisis threads bring normal group activity to a halt as all attention turns to the crisis. All thread titles calling for immediate group action must reflect current circumstances and cannot be allowed to falsely suggest that a member's crisis still exists when it has already passed. Members must immediately cease posting to any crisis thread once the member posts back indicating that the crisis has passed (see "Bringing negative posts to the top").



While the rule says that once a member posts back that he or she is fine posts to the thread shall cease. In the event that a member does not post back to the replies, we are only going to let people post to the thread for a limited period of time. The time for this thread is now up.

Posting to this thread again will cause the sting to be deleted and the offending member to lose his or her posting privileges.


Do not post to this string. (This line was originally in bright bold red to make sure it would be seen by anyone reading at this string)


Posting to this string again will cause immediate loss of posting privileges!
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