Be prepared to hear some confusing information

Be prepared to hear some confusing information

Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

14 Nov 2001, 21:29 #1

Tomorrow is the 25th Annual Great American Smokeout. Many people and organizations see the Great American Smokeout as a time to heightened awareness to the importance of quitting and thus a valuable time to start a quit. I on the other hand see it as a time where I must be ever more vigilant with my successful clinic graduates and in fact I often try to steer clear of offering clinics during the specific week. While most would think the heightened awareness is a good thing-it often brings out some of the most blatant campaigns of misinformation out there.

I actually worked for the American Cancer Society when the Smokeout was first created. This predated NRT products so I can't even say my feelings in this matter are based on the blitz of promotion and information put out by the pharmacological companies. Back then it was the major health organizations and the state of the art programs themselves that would advocate cut down programs and psychological issues totally missing the point of addiction. This of course was understandable considering at that time no major medical organizations were yet recognizing that cigarette smoking was a true form of drug addiction.

So here I would be doing clinics and programs teaching the participants that they were nicotine addicts and the media would be blitzing them with materials contradicting that nicotine was an addiction and trying to teach them how to gradually cut down.

Generally if I waited to start my clinics until a week after the Smokeout, I was better able to point out the limitations of the information they were getting a week earlier through the media in a few minutes-without having to sit and debate and defend my feelings on the matter day after day as more and more materials were being discussed leading up to the event. Usually within a day or two of the Smokeout it was pretty much gone and forgotten with not much follow-up coverage.

Today, besides having the professional health organizations trying to promote the event, you have the pharmaceutical companies also using the Smokeout to plug their products. The media often looks for quotes and catchy stories to boost the event, but most of these quotes will come from people who "think" that the state of the art programs are actually the most successful ways people can quit. After all, they are the state of the art programs, aren't they? I suspect you will hear a lot this week of how NRT will double your chance of success.

Well I am here to tell you that if you quit smoking cold-turkey and you never take another puff, you have a 100% chance of success. Can taking nicotine into your body via another route double that chance? No it cannot, not in any way, shape or form.

Everyone here has to know that they are drug addicts and to stay free is contingent on never administering nicotine again-not from cigarettes, cigars or pipes, not from chewing tobacco or snuff, not from nicotine laced products like inhalers, patches, gums, lozenges, or drops.

We are not just talking about not taking these products on special days like the day of a Smokeout, or New Years, or Christmas, or Thanksgiving, or Halloween, or Memorial Day, or Independence Day, any other holiday or special occasion that marks a new day or special day. Holidays and special days are no different than any other of the 365 days that occur in any year when it comes to drug addiction. They must all be treated the same-to overcome the passing of every 24 hour period for successfully smoke free entails always understanding that you must never take another puff!

Joel

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Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

14 Nov 2001, 21:39 #2

Here is an example of what I mean. It greeted me today from AOL news. What starts out as a news report about smoking rates quickly turned into a commercial for NRT products. I left out the commercial aspects of the post, which was about twice as long as this intro to the story. But if anyone wants to find the ads I am sure they will be more than easy to come across in the next day or two.


Smokers Encouraged to Join the American Cancer Society's 25th Annual Great American Smokeout(R)

NEW YORK, Nov. 14 /PRNewswire/ -- Since the tragic events of September 11, approximately one-third of all current smokers in the United States have started smoking more cigarettes, according to the results of a recent survey commissioned by the American Cancer Society and GlaxoSmithKline Consumer Healthcare.
The survey results revealed that of those smokers who changed their smoking habits for the worse in the wake of September 11, many (75 percent) actually increased the amount of cigarettes they previously smoked. In fact, approximately 30 percent of people who smoked prior to September 11 increased their smoking, and more than 5 percent of former smokers picked up their cigarettes again.
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KerBer (green)
Joined: 10 Jan 2009, 00:00

14 Nov 2001, 22:25 #3

At the grocery store last night, I cracked up when a commercial over the "Musac" system was touting Nicorette Gum. It said, "If you are going to try to quit smoking, you want to use all of the tools that are available to you?"

I laughed out loud - and yes, People were staring - All you need is a little willpower, education and support! and to know that you are NEVER GONNA TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!

KerBer - feeling fantastic!

No smokes for 2 Weeks 5 Days 10 Hours 54 Minutes 48 Seconds.
389 cigarettes left at the store.
Money back in my pocket: $58.36.


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improud (golder)
Joined: 19 Dec 2008, 00:00

16 Nov 2001, 00:33 #4

The Great American Smokeout day never helped me. I always picked up a cigarette forgetting that I wasn't going to smoke that day. I would have not known that today was the day if I hadn't seen your post Joel. Never gave it a second thought Just Like I've finally been able to do about smoking. NEVER GIVE IT ANOTHER THOUGHT by NEVER TAKING ANOTHER PUFF. I have been Quit for: 10M 1W 3D 13h 2m 29s. I have NOT smoked 9466, for a savings of $1,419.94. Life Saved: 1M 1D 20h 50m.Image
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Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

16 Nov 2001, 09:40 #5

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I figured that the Internet would have more than its fair share of such pieces out there today. That is why I put this post up yesterday in preparation for such information. You would think after reading the article you found that it would be close to impossible to find people whoi actually ever pulled off a long-term cold turkey quit. But in fact, if you follow-up all of the long-term (1 year plus) ex-smokers you know in your real world, you will find an amazingly high percentage of them (usually all of them but I'll leave a little room for error here) did actually quit y cold turkey. You will actually be hard pressed to come up with many who did it by NRT and actually sustained a year or longer quit once they tried to get off the NRT product. Don't take my word for it though, do your own survey of family, friends and co-workers. You will likely see this for yourself from the most credible sources you know, the people in your own real world.
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Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

17 Nov 2001, 02:42 #6

For Kathryn:

Yesterday there was a lot of information out on the Internet and out in the media in general that would seem contradictory of what we do here at Freedom. I got numerous email announcement of new studies and new conclusions all saying the same old stuff--how effective NRT and pharmacological interventions are for smoking cessation.

I had brought up this post a day in advance for we knew the onslaught of information could have been quite extensive. Actually, it was not as pervasive as it has been at other times in the past, when we had slow news days and events like the Smoke Out garnered a lot of attention.

Anyway, as far as who to believe on what is really the effective way to successfully quit smoking, don't believe us, and don't believe them either. Believe your own experiences and those experiences of ex-smokers you actually know in your real life--your family, friends and co-workers who have successfully quit smoking and so far have succeeded for a year or longer. Survy enough people and the way to quit will become blantantly obvious to you. You will soon believe your own eyes and ears it will become evident that the way to get off and stay off of cigarettes is to never take another puff!

Joel
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Managers
Joined: 07 Jan 2009, 18:58

17 Nov 2001, 04:20 #7

moving your post here, Kathryn
From: kathryn (Original Message) Sent: 11/16/2001 3:04 PM
Hi Joel, and thank you for that information. I just am so very against the
NRT's!! I just think it is one of the biggest scams ever! Now in England,
they have come out with a nicotine lozenge! To replace the gum?? Who
knows!!!Because the gum causes jaw problems in many people.

Anyway the biggest reason I think it is such a scam......is that you are
administering thee drug, that you are so addicted to! brother! For an
alcoholic, the 'cut down' method, never works, and certainly a gum, lozenge,
pill or patch form of alcohol wouldn't work either!! Anyway, I am just so
very grateful to be completely nicotine free!! At 13 days, 5 hours, and30
minutes!!

your friend,

kathryn
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Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

27 Dec 2001, 20:11 #8

It is time to get ready for the possible New Years media assault on how to quit smoking. While this piece was written for the Great American Smokeout, New Years is when there is actually more coverage on smoking and quitting issues, and thus it is more likely that a lot of contradictory information will be disseminated. Don't get confused by the "facts" and don't lose sight of the real way to quit and prevent relapse permanently--it is as simple and inexpensive as just knowing to never take another puff!

Joel
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marty (gold)
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:59

27 Dec 2001, 20:31 #9

This is equally relevant for our British readers.

You will see a lot of TV adverts for nicotine patches, gum, and other NRT products, all claiming that "it is twice as easy to quit using nicotine replacement products as it is to quit cold turkey". What they don't tell you is how many of those quitters stay quit beyond a month or two !!! We know that 90% of nicotine replacement quitters relapse within a year.

Remember that these adverts are being placed by commercial drug companies whose sole objective is to persuade you to buy their product. Don't be fooled by the insidious association of these products with the Government's "NHS Smoking Helpline". That "helpline" is actually a government-funded quango which has its own agenda. The sources of funding are not disclosed by the government and may, for all that I know, include funding by the drug companies who are selling nicotine replacement products. Certainly the literature you get from the "helpline" promotes those products.

If you saw an advert on TV extolling the virtues of heroin, would you believe it, and would you buy it ? Well the manufacturers of nicotine replacement products are extolling the virtues of nicotine, a drug proven to be nearly FOUR TIMES as addictive as heroin, and a drug which through its most common delivery vehicle (cigarettes) causes hundreds of times the number of diseases and deaths that heroin causes.

You make up your own mind Image
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Joel
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:57

27 Dec 2001, 20:51 #10

Hello Marty,

Yes, this particular post this week has world wide relevance. The Great American Smokeout is quite limited in its impact, even in America these days. You wrote about how the pharmacological companies sole interest is to sell their products. That is exactly the way things are in the real world, and the way they are likely going to stay. In a perfect world we would have governments and overseeing agencies to protect the consumer, but as we see here often, we don't live in a perfect world and as far as treating nicotine addiction--I don't think there is even an especially good country, state, city, village or even a neighborhood that is geared to really help people understand how to quit. We will have to settle on our little site for the moment.

When I read your comment above it reminded me of the paragraph in our Mission Statement:

"We are hostile to nobody. Not even to the tobacco industry or pharmaceutical companies who have different agendas than ours. They exist because they want you to use their products. We exist because you want to stop using their products. We are not here to try to make anyone stop using their products either. We are here to help people quit using nicotine because they have already decided to do so."

That is such an important paragraph to me. Not because of the first part, that they want you to use their product, but because of the second part--"We exist because you want to stop using their products." I hope everyone reflects on that concept often. You wanted out of smoking, that is why you found us. We want to make sure you always remember the way things were between you and cigarettes. They will never be that way again as long as all of our members and lurkers always remember to never take another puff!

Joel
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