Alcohol and quitting

John (Gold)
John (Gold)

March 26th, 2002, 9:15 am #11

Interesting observation Susan! Back in my navy bootcamp days they actually gave smoke breaks to smokers while if there were any extra duties to be conducted the non-smokers were expected to keep going. It was the only time in my life that I saw non-smokers contemplate an immediate benefit from smoking.

I read recently that roughly 20% of drinkers have drinking problems while only 5 to 10% of drinkers are chemically dependent upon alcohol. With between 70 to 90% of adult smokers chemically dependent upon nicotine it's almost the reverse. Imagine if 90% of regular adult smokers were not dependent upon nicotine but instead, like drinkers, were free to come or go as they pleased . It's my guess that like with alcohol, you'd see a bit more social sharing and encouraging each other to smoke a bit of nicotine!

But reality is reality! Just one big puff of new nicotine and the comfort is over for this kid and it's back to working hard each day to keep pace with his constantly falling blood serum nicotine level. Being an actively feeding nicotine addict is work!
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Joel
Joel

March 26th, 2002, 10:42 pm #12

Hello Susan and John:

Susan, you are right in your observation about most social circles now in regards to smoking. The one group that does face pressures still are younger people--and John, your recollections of the old Navy days still have relevance.

I was doing a little consulting work with the Navy a few years ago. They had initiated the total smoking ban in boot camps. Recruits would come in to basic training, be totally off cigarettes for 6 weeks I think, and then surveyed a few months later to see if they actually had lower smoking rates. The theory was, kids who got addicted when in high school or elementary school, now had the chance to detox and were then free to choose.

It sounded good in theory that there should have been a noticeable drop in smoking rates. In fact, the opposite was found--within a few months of time in the service there were actually more smokers than who originally enlisted.

The 18 to 24 year old age group has the highest smoking rates at this time in the United States. It is apparent that there still is some kind of pressure on these young people to smoke. In the military they seem to have felt that some of the pressure was coming from the training schools after basic training. The feeling was that many of the older instructors were still smoking, and one of the ways for the newer recruits to spend time with the instructors and maybe even win some favor was by sharing the cigarette breaks with them. I suspect this factor along with the one John points out such as the extra breaks for the smokers may be factors influencing the increased smoking trends.

Whether any specific person here has pressure on him or her to smoke or not to smoke, it still comes down to each individual's decision. The decision must be based on the available options--to smoke full-fledged until cigarettes eventually cripple and then kills you or to stay free from the total control that nicotine exerted on you in the past. If your choice is to stay free you must always remember to never take another puff!

Joel
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Lena (SILVER)
Lena (SILVER)

December 22nd, 2002, 1:51 pm #13

HI! This is a great thread especially for the holiday weekend. I have been obsessing a bit about a staff party I have tomorrow at a bar in town. All but three will be smoking and it will be my first time at the other side of the bar( My profession is a bartender ) since I quit. I thought of not showing but I know I must ultimately face my fears and be prepared. So I thank you for these letters on alcohol and I want you to know. I take this seriously. I have to believe things will get better and easier. Thank you and have a happy Sunday. Lena 2 Weeks 3days 3hours WITHOUT A PUFF!!
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Joel
Joel

March 29th, 2003, 8:38 pm #14

Everyone who drinks needs to go into drinking situations with his or her guard up and reasons for quitting and wanting to stay off intact. Waiting until being inebriated to deal with smoking thoughts on an intellectual level is dangerous and should be considered life threatening.

Life threatening when you consider that such a lack of preparation can cause a relapse and a relapse is fully capable of costing you your health and your life over time. People who know they are recovering alcoholics cannot drink--smoking or quitting smoking is not the variable here of primary concern for why they drink. They have an addiction to alcohol to be concerned with.

People who have never considered themselves to be an alcoholic or a problem drinker but who cannot drink in a controlled manner, or people whose drinking at one time has adversly effected their health or caused them any economic, professional, legal, or personal problems--these people need to think long and hard of whether they are in fact problem drinkers or possibly dealing with alcoholism issues. If your drinking threatens your quit, you are in effect a problem drinker--you are putting your health on the line to drink.

The vast majority of non-alcoholic social drinkers can still drink without risk of relapse--but being mentally prepared is crucial here. Go into ALL drinking situations reminding yourself that you are a recovering nicotine addict and you are going to be a recovering nicotine addict for the rest of your life.

While that may not sound great in concept--being a recovering nicotine addict--it beats being an actively using nicotine addict hands down. For over time being a recovering addict has no real signs or symptoms and no real adverse health or even social effects associated with it. Being an active user would actively be destroying tissue with every puff, depositing cancer-producing chemicals with every puff, assault your heart and circulatory system with every puff, cost you money with every puff, and make you reek with every puff. To avoid all the problems of being an active addict still translates to always knowing that to stay smoke free--even when not totally sober, still only requires remembering to never take another puff!

Joel
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February 28th, 2004, 6:54 am #15

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John (Gold)
John (Gold)

May 16th, 2004, 3:04 am #16

The below recent study is not offered to show you how far science
has come in understanding the chemical and neurochemical
relationships between alcohol, nicotine and the function of human
mind but to instead show how little we yet understand.
No nicotine today, Never Take Another Puff!

Neurochemical and behavioral studies
on ethanol and nicotine interactions.
Neurosci Biobehav Rev. 2004 January;27(8):713-20.

Larsson A, Engel JA.

Department of Pharmacology, Goteborg University, Box 431, Goteborg SE-405 30, Sweden.

The most commonly abused drugs, alcohol and nicotine, are likely also the most costly drugs in terms of health and societal costs. A large body of evidence from epidemiological studies indicate that smoking and alcohol-intake are positively correlated. The mesocorticolimbic dopamine system has been implicated in mediating some of the reinforcing effects of ethanol, however, the mechanism(s) of action remains to be elucidated; consideration as to ethanol's ability to interact with ligand-gated ion channels should be considered.
Accumulating evidence from electrophysiological, pharmacological and neurochemical studies suggest that ethanol may interact with the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor (nAChR). Thus, it has been shown that the ethanol-induced stimulation of the mesolimbic dopamine system and of locomotor activity as well as ethanol intake and preference in rodents may involve central nicotinic acetylcholine receptors.

Additionally, data has been presented that nAChRs located in the ventral tegmental area may be of particular importance for these effects of ethanol. Studies aimed at defining the nAChR subpopulation(s) involved in mediating ethanol-induced locomotor stimulation and accumbal dopamine overflow as well as ethanol-intake have revealed that alpha(3)beta(2) or alpha(6) (using alpha-Conotoxin MII) but not alpha(4)beta(2) (using dihydro-beta-erythroidine) or alpha(7) (using methyllycaconitine), could represent targets for developing new drugs in the treatment of alcoholism. These results do not allow any conclusion as to whether the involvement nAChRs in mediating the effects of ethanol is direct and/or indirect.

With regard to an indirect effect, evidence has accumulated indicating that the cholinergic excitatory input to the dopaminergic neurons in the ventral tegmental area may be an important part of the neuronal circuits mediating natural as well as drug-rewarded behavior. The possibility may thus be considered that ethanol activates the cholinergic afferents causing a release of acetylcholine in the ventral tegemental area leading to a stimulation of nAChRs and thereby excite the mesocorticolimbic dopamine system.

PMID: 15019421 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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John (Gold)
John (Gold)

January 5th, 2005, 9:50 am #17

"best to take it on gradually
in the beginning in a safe environment"
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John (Gold)
John (Gold)

January 7th, 2005, 9:19 pm #18

Imagine being at or near the peak of physical withdrawal and nicotine detox, where your brain begins working fast and hard at restoring natural neurotransmitter sensitivities now that nicotine's arrival has ended. Imagine your conscious dreams and desires of freedom doing a wonderful job at calming, suppressing and overcoming subconscious fears, craves and anxieties associated with arresting your world of chemical dependency, a world of "nicotine normal."
Now imagine taking early recovery into a smoke and smoker filled environment and then commencing to drink large quantities of a mind altering and inhibition diminishing substance. What are the chances of your healing surviving?
It's what these threads are all about. Although Freedom teaches that we need not give up anything when quitting, that rule must be applied using a bit of common sense. We also teach baby steps and little bites and those principles work extremely well in helping each of us work-up to fully engaging all aspects of life. Alcohol may play a role in half of all fatal vehicle collisions here in the U.S. but it likely plays a much greater role in the death toll stemming from nicotine relapse.
Plan ahead! Break the event down into smaller doable bites. Have a coping plan ready. Have a back-up plan. Have an emergency plan. You have but one healling patient to protect and it is "you!" A host of expectations, emotions and new experiences to encounter but only one guiding principle determining whether the patient's healing lives or dies, no nicotine just one hour, challenge and day at a time, Never Take Another Puff, Dip or Chew! John (Gold x5)
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Joel
Joel

May 12th, 2005, 10:12 pm #19

Copied from the post Crutches to Quit Smoking
I just saw a post suggesting a nice way to celebrate being successfully off smoking for a year is to buy a bottle of wine to share with friends and loved ones. It made me think of the original article here and the commentary I attached the other day. The casual suggestion of celebrating successfully not smoking for a given time period with an alcoholic beverage of any kind really does not belong at a site dealing with treating a drug addiction. Are there people who may celebrate this way here at Freedom? Sure there are--I suspect that a lot of our members drink occasionally. But there are some members and readers here who don't drink to celebrate either by personal choice or, because they can no longer drink to celebrate without having to drink all of the time whether there is anything to celebrate or not. These are people who are recovering alcoholics and who hopefully know their own limitations. I suspect that some of these people may be put off by the suggestion of using alcohol to celebrate quitting smoking. Also, there are likely members and readers here who while they may not be alcoholic themselves, they may have family members and friends who are and who may think that buying wine to share with these people is not an appropriate method of celebrating breaking free from the nicotine addiction.

As it says above:
...do not use this site to glamorize drinking. There are people here who are recovering alcoholics who find posting about the fun and glamour of drinking to be quite disconcerting. Also, the frequent use of the emoticons, portraying a mug or a champaign toast are really seen as poor taste to these people. Put yourself in their place--if you belonged to a site that was on a totally different topic, and people came in touting the joys of recreational smoking, you would feel the need to enlighten the group or could be offended and annoyed with the casual way the subject was being portrayed. You could then either feel the need to take it head on and stir up debate with the group, or just leave the group. Neither of these options is acceptable to us at Freedom--for we have strict policies about diversional posts, and the idea of a person leaving because of an issue that is really unnecessary is abhorrent to us. Because the people who are here trying to secure their quits are here because they are fighting for their lives. Their needs then take precedent over people who are here for more social or fun reasons. Freedom is a quit smoking education and support site. We try to get the message out that life goes on without smoking--things you could do before can still be done after quitting. Things that could not be done before, such as safe or controlled drinking for a recovering alcoholic cannot be done now either. So as a general rule of thumb now, we are asking members to minimize the amount of time they are posting about drinking at this site. We have ample strings to cover alcohol issues. We will continue to bring them up as holidays come up, and around weekends where drinking situations are often encountered more frequently. But we ask that people who are regular users of alcohol not to raise the issue over and over again.

All posting members need to stay cognizant of this concept. It is not saying that issues involving drinking cannot be discussed. Again, if a person finds him or herself in a social drinking situation and it creates smoking thoughts, or if a person is nervous about how to get through a party or gathering where he or she will be drinking, it is totally legitimate to raise these concerns and for others to explain how they deal with such circumstances. Suggesting or encouraging the use of alcohol though to others who you do not know their full histories on is a risky proposition.

As we discuss in the thread The Freedom Classroom
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Since December of 2002 we have had over 1,056,000 distinct hosts view pages at www.whyquit.com. If only 10% of these people find their way to Freedom it would still be over 100,000 people. The numbers may be higher. While we don't know the exact numbers of people who do read we know it is a lot. Every person posting at Freedom has an awesome responsibility because every word you are writing is capable of influencing hundreds or even thousands of people. Considering what we are trying to influence them to do, which is to quit smoking and to save their lives, it is easy to see how why we feel that this is indeed an awesome responsibility.

So everyone be aware and stay cognizant to the fact any advice written on this board is being read by hundreds to thousands of people. Make sure that any specific suggestions that you are sharing is sound advice for all people. Offering celebratory drinks to all people is an unwarranted suggestion in the event the people who you may be making the offer to are people in recovery from alcohol.

It is similar to our members getting offered a cigar to celebrate the birth of a baby or other special occasions. While the act may seem acceptable to some people in some social circles, I think most of our members and readers would feel that this act would be uncomfortable to say the least, and in poor taste if the offer was being made by a person who knew you had quit smoking, and that you had made it clear to that person that you realize that you are a nicotine addict and cannot smoke without relapsing.

Be prepared that such offers may occur from others. Offers for drinks will likely happen at times even if you are a person who is in recovery from alcohol. Understand that if you are a person in recovery that the reason that you have maintained your sobriety up to this point is that you have worked out some sort of response to deal with such offers and the bottom line is that it is your responsibility to stick to your commitment not to drink.

The same concept holds true for all of our members regarding smoking. I hope most of our members and readers never find themselves feeling that there is a right time to pass along a cigar or any tobacco product to another person to celebrate any event. All members and readers must be aware though that offers of tobacco products to you can occur over time. Once again, it is the personal responsibility of each member and reader to sustain his or her own quit even at such times by remembering that in spite of the nature of these offers that the only way to sustain your own quit and truly have something to celebrate is to stick to your own personal commitment to never take another puff.

Joel
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Kristen Goldx3
Kristen Goldx3

April 13th, 2006, 5:38 am #20

Smoking May Hinder Brain's Recovery from Alcoholism

By Jeff Minerd, MedPage Today Staff Writer
Reviewed by Rubeen K. Israni, M.D., Fellow, Renal-Electrolyte and Hypertension Division, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
March 16, 2006


MedPage Today Action Points


Explain to recovering alcoholics that this study suggests quitting smoking may lead to faster brain recovery.


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SAN FRANCISCO - For alcoholics whose drinking brings on cognitive deficits, smoking seems to retard their cognitive recovery when they go on the wagon, a study here suggested.


"It is pretty well established that long-term chronic drinking of the amount that alcoholics do leads to abnormalities of brain structure, chemistry, and blood flow as well as cognition," said Timothy Durazzo, Ph.D., of the San Francisco VA in an interview.


Alcoholics may appear to be functioning normally, but cognitive tests will usually reveal abnormalities or "frank deficits," he added.


So it stands to reason that diminished cognition should reverse itself when alcoholics stop drinking. But, Dr. Durazzo found, cognitive recovery can be retarded by cigarette smoking, at least during the first month of abstinence from alcohol.


Smoking appears to interfere with metabolic brain recovery and cognitive improvement, Dr. Durazzo and colleagues reported in the March issue of Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research.


They evaluated 25 recovering alcoholics-14 smokers and 11 non-smokers.


Using MRI, the investigators examined participants' brains for N-acetylaspartate, a marker of neuronal viability, and choline, a marker of cell membrane health. Measurements were made after seven and 35 days of abstinence.


Concentrations of N-acetylaspartate in the parietal white matter of the non-smokers increased from an average of about 28 institutional units on day seven to 29 units on day 35, but concentrations significantly decreased in smokers from 28 to 26.5 units (P<.05).


Similarly, choline concentrations in the non-smokers increased from an average of about 4.5 to 5.2 units (P<.05), but in non-smokers the average concentration stayed put at 4.7 units.


The authors reported that increases in N-acetylaspartate and choline concentrations were positively correlated with improvement in various cognitive domains including executive function, visuospatial learning/skills, fine motor skills, auditory verbal learning and general intelligence.


At one month of abstinence, the investigators also found "huge" differences between the smokers and non-smokers in performance on cognitive tests that measured such things as visual-spatial learning and memory, Dr. Durazzo said. However, these data are in another paper which has been submitted to a peer-reviewed journal, he added.


Cigarette smoke contains many toxic compounds, such as carbon monoxide and free radicals, that may directly or indirectly compromise the central nervous system tissue, the authors said.


The study's results suggest that for faster brain recovery, it may be beneficial for alcoholics in early abstinence to stop smoking as well, the authors said.


"This may be a lot to ask from an alcoholic individual going through drastic brain chemical imbalances in early recovery," Dr. Durazzo said.


On the other hand, "cigarettes and alcohol tend to go together," he said. "One may elicit cravings for the other. So if you are able to give up both at the same time, it may increase your chances of staying sober, because you don't have one substance serving as a trigger for use of the other."


The results of this study should be considered preliminary and must be confirmed by larger and longer-term prospective studies, the authors concluded.



Primary source: Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research
Source reference:
Durazzo TC et al. Brain metabolite concentrations and neurocognition during short-term recovery from alcohol dependence: preliminary evidence of the effects of concurrent chronic cigarette smoking. Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research. 2006; 30(3):1-13. http://www.medpagetoday.com/Psychiatry/ ... ns/tb/2877

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Kristen Goldx3
Kristen Goldx3

April 13th, 2006, 5:45 am #21

Smokers and Drinkers Get Head Start on Colorectal Cancer
By Neil Osterweil, MedPage Today Staff Writer
Reviewed by Robert Jasmer, MD; Assistant Professor of Medicine, University of California, San Francisco
March 28, 2006
Source News Article: CBS News, Forbes, MSNBC MedPage Today Action Points

Explain to applicable patients that this study suggests that men and women who drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes, or do both, seem to be at a higher risk than non-smokers/drinkers for early onset colorectal cancer.


Suggest to these patients a need for vigilance about screening for colorectal cancer.


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EVANSTON, Ill., March 28 - Men and women who smoke or drink, or either, have a likelihood of developing colorectal cancer five to eight years earlier than abstemious persons, reported researchers here.

Moreover, their review of records on more than 161,000 patients with colorectal cancer revealed that men as a gender tended to develop colorectal cancer about two years earlier than women, according to Hemant K. Roy, M.D., and colleagues at Northwestern.

The study, published in the March 27 Archives of Internal Medicine, indicated that patients who both smoked cigarettes and drink alcohol were likely to develop the disease about eight years earlier than non-smoking teetotalers. Smoking but not drinking had a greater effect on women than men.

"Our report provides compelling evidence that modifiable risk factors such as alcohol and tobacco use are associated with a younger age at diagnosis and a predilection for distal colorectal cancer," the authors wrote.

"These data underscore the need for cessation of alcohol and tobacco use as an integral part of a colorectal cancer prevention program," they continued. "If replicated in other data sets, our findings would argue that screening should be initiated at a younger age in alcohol and tobacco users."

To determine how risk factors such as lifestyle choice and gender could affect the incidence of colorectal cancer, the authors used data from a commercial cancer database (IMPAC Medical Registry Services Cancer Information Resource File).

They gathered data on people diagnosed with colorectal cancer diagnosed from June 1, 1993, to December 31, 2003, and classified them into current, past, or never-users of alcohol and tobacco.

They used logistic regression modeling for location of tumors (proximal or distal), and linear regression modeling for age at diagnosis and the variables that included gender, race insurance status.

Looking at data on a total of 161,172 patients with colorectal cancer, the authors found that current drinking and current smoking were each associated with 5.2 years younger age at onset, and the two combined were associated with a 7.8-year head start for disease onset (P<0.001 for all). Men also tended to develop cancer 1.9 years earlier than women (P<0.001).

Drinkers were about 20% more likely than non-drinkers to have distal cancers (odds ratio, 1.192, 95% confidence interval, 1.15-1.23), and smokers were about 16% more likely than non-smokers to have distal tumors (odds ratio, 1.164; 95% CI, 1.12-1.21). Men were also significantly more likely than women to have tumors in a distal location (odds ratio, 1.42, P<0.001).

The effects of smoking but not drinking on age of onset were greater among women than among men (adjusted age difference, 2.6 years; P<0.001).

"This is the first report, to our knowledge, to demonstrate that alcohol and tobacco use is associated with a younger age at colorectal cancer presentation," the investigators wrote. "The magnitude of effect suggests clinical applicability for the timing of screening initiation. Furthermore, alcohol and tobacco use along with male gender increased the probability of distal cancers, possibly having relevance to the choice of screening modality."

Primary source: Archives of Internal Medicine
Source reference:
Zisman AL et al.

"Associations Between the Age at Diagnosis and Location of Colorectal Cancer and the Use of Alcohol and Tobacco: Implications for Screening."
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Blue1451
Blue1451

May 13th, 2006, 2:22 pm #22

I have been clean from nicotine for 47 days...and proud of it! I'm not really a big drinker anyway but once in awhile my husband and I would have a glass or two of wine with dinner! I must admit I'm a little nervous to do that! I know it will be a big trigger!
Thanks for the post! Maybe I just need more time under my belt!
Tracy
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July 21st, 2007, 7:27 am #23

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John (Gold)
John (Gold)

August 25th, 2007, 11:19 pm #24

Combined Effects of Systemic Alcohol and Nicotine on Dopamine Release in the Nucleus Accumbens Shell
Alcohol Alcohol. 2007 Aug 8; [Epub ahead of print]

Tizabi Y, Bai L, Copeland RL Jr, Taylor RE.
Department of Pharmacology, College of Medicine, 520 W Street NW, Howard University, Washington, DC, 20059, USA.
Abstract

AIMS: This study was undertaken to determine whether simultaneous administration of both alcohol and nicotine systemically would result in an additive dopamine release in the nucleus accumbens (NACC). Moreover, to also investigate whether nicotinic receptors may be mediating these effects of alcohol and nicotine, the effects of mecamylamine, a nicotinic receptor antagonist was also evaluated.

METHODS: Microdialysis was applied to measure the dopamine overflow in the shell region of NACC. All drugs were administered intraperitoneally. The doses of alcohol ranged from 0.5-2.0 g/kg, and nicotine and mecamylamine 0.25-1.0 mg/kg.

RESULTS: An additive effect of combined alcohol and nicotine on dopamine release was obtained. This effect of alcohol and nicotine was dose-dependently blocked by mecamylamine pre-treatment.

CONCLUSIONS: These findings further support the hypothesis that an additive effect of alcohol and nicotine on the mesolimbic 'reward pathway' may contribute to the high incidence of smoking in alcoholics. Furthermore, nicotinic antagonists can block such effects of combined alcohol and nicotine.

http://alcalc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co ... t/agm057v1
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December 15th, 2007, 9:06 am #25

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Joel
Joel

May 20th, 2008, 4:32 am #26

I saw a message from a member who thought because of the way she felt addicted to cigarettes and alcohol that she would never be able to live without either. Now she doesn't smoke and only drinks occasionally, I don't want any people in recovery from other addictions to get a false message from this comment.

Breaking free from the grip of one active addiction does not somehow create a state that other addictions are somehow cured. If a person truly has a physical addiction to alcohol as a smoker, he or she still has that same addiction as an ex-smoker.

From the original post here:

One special note I need to make here. When I say everything you do as a smoker, you can do as an ex-smoker, the reverse is also true for some activities. If you were a recovering addict to alcohol or any other substance before, you couldn't use that substance as a smoker and you can't as an ex-smoker either without a full blown relapse.
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FreedomNicotine
FreedomNicotine

October 23rd, 2009, 10:07 pm #27

Be prepared - alcohol and your quit:
Alcohol and Your Quit
Freedom teaches that we don't need to give up any part of our life when quitting except for our nicotine. The weekend has arrived again and with it the opportunity to have a few drinks and be with friends. How do you approach this most important encounter with alcohol, smokers and good times? What planning, if any, can you do? When is it safe to do so?
The odds of a brand new quit surviving the pub or bar scene while consuming large quantities of alcohol are not promising! Walking into an environment loaded with ashtrays, lighters and packs everywhere in a smoke and smoker filled room, while consuming a mind and sense altering substance during a temporary period of time that you were giving it your all not to smoke nicotine can be a tragic mistake, even fatal. Although alcohol has been found to play a role in half of all fatal vehicle collisions, its death toll in relation to the destruction of quits is even greater.

Many of you have already successfully navigated this situation while others have not. If you have, please share the important lessons you learned. Your words of wisdom might save both a quit and a life.

My advice is simple! Think it though, plan ahead, keep your guard up, and always remember that you can walk away. An early encounter with alcohol can involve multiple triggers. Keep in mind that it's possible to address them one at a time. Alcohol itself could be a habit trigger, being around other smokers another, having a good or bad time while drinking a third or possibly even a fourth, and having too much to drink a possible fifth. Then again, your anxiety attack triggering cue could be something as simple as ice cubes hitting a glass in a dark smoke filled environment. We've each developed some pretty unique feeding habits.

You can drink at home first without the other stuff, or going out for a good time in a smoke and smoker filled location without drinking. The planning possibilities are numerous. It may be possible to handle it all at once and put it behind you but baby steps may be a better approach for you. You know you better than anyone else! Listen to yourself and above all keep in mind that loving "delay" - just three minutes - is one of your best friends right now. This too is doable!
Breathe deep, hug hard, live long! YQB John : )
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Judy Anderson
Judy Anderson

December 22nd, 2013, 10:16 pm #28

I think this is an excellent reminder Joel! NTAP, and I will always remember why ... 1=ALL.

If I ever had one puff I would never have enough. 

Judy,
a very happy ex-smoker
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Mardan59
Mardan59

December 23rd, 2013, 4:36 pm #29

I have two friends that quit smoking for almost one year.  Several months ago, I found out both had started smoking again.  I asked why, what happened?  He told me.."yea, we were at a New Year's party, we had done so good, we figured we deserved just one".   They both are back smoking full time.  So sad. : (

Mary
On January 20th, It will be one year!
NTAP  1=All
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December 23rd, 2013, 6:12 pm #30

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Check out the video  "I don't want to quit smoking", paying special attention to the section starting at the twelve and half minute mark.
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engben

January 1st, 2014, 7:11 pm #31

I'm sitting here on the mend from a New Year's Eve party.  Alcohol, I should know better.  There were lots of smokers and smoked filled the air.  While mixing and mingling what kept going through my mind was 1=1,000.  One might be good, but I know the LoA  and I believe in it.  I can't imagine a successful quit without that knowledge.

Since my quit I have not backed down from any of my triggers, alcohol included.  I meet them head on.  I figure if I keep beating them down then eventually they will just fade away, like that part of Ben that is no more.  I ended the last 146 days of 2013 smoke free.  I intend to go the next 146 years the same way!   

Ben

 
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December 31st, 2014, 11:32 pm #32

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MauriceS
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February 11th, 2015, 10:15 am #33

i once also become a smoker then tried alcohol. my alcohol addiction become worst even my smoke addiction because everytime i drink i also puff pack's of cigarette and  Honestly, every day of my life is like in the middle of a sea of fire. i felt like im Poisoning my body slowly. then i realize that i already digging my grave little by little. and my family told me that i should stop my addiction, then one of my friend gave me websites and told me to read it that some how i manage to finish reading it and i learned the cause and effect of my addiction to my body. and gives me more reason to stop my addiction.
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February 11th, 2015, 2:35 pm #34

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[font=ARIAL, GEORGIA, 'TIMES NEW ROMAN', TIMES, SERIF]Question: How long does it take to become readdicted?[/font]
[font=ARIAL, GEORGIA, 'TIMES NEW ROMAN', TIMES, SERIF]Answer: There is no answer, it was a trick question. You never got unaddicted.[/font]

[font=ARIAL, GEORGIA, 'TIMES NEW ROMAN', TIMES, SERIF]The question should have been how long does it take to relapse? The answer to this is how long does it take you to secure a cigarette, strike a match or lighter and take a puff? It can happen in an instant if you ever drop your guard.[/font]

[font=ARIAL, GEORGIA, 'TIMES NEW ROMAN', TIMES, SERIF]So how long does it take to secure your quit? It only takes a few seconds, the time that it should take for you to just remind yourself as to why you committed to never take another puff![/font]

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[font=ARIAL, GEORGIA, 'TIMES NEW ROMAN', TIMES, SERIF]Point of the above two references is that you cannot stop your addiction to nicotine, but you can stop feeding the addiction and thus break the grip that the addiction held on you. Then the addiction will become asymptomatic and stay that way as long as you stick to your personal commitment to never take another puff..[/font]

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