Salvia x guaranitica 'rhythm and blues'

Salvia x guaranitica 'rhythm and blues'

Joined: July 18th, 2009, 3:58 am

October 15th, 2016, 7:26 pm #1

Check out what just popped up in Monrovia's salvia catalog.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... s-salivia/
http://planthaven.com/plant/salvia-boda ... and-blues/

It is a new guaranitica hybrid being marketed as an improved 'black & blue'. It says the source is Kermit Carter.

Plant Description:

Gorgeous new hybrid blooms earlier than popular 'Black and Blue' sage, freely reflowering throughout the season. Tall spikes display saturated cobalt-blue flowers, each held by an elegant black whorl. Dark green foliage maintains rich color, cloaking a tighter growth habit than others. Striking color contrast for bright-flowering perennials. Herbaceous perennial.

History:

This new x guaranitica hybrid was developed by Salvia breeding specialist Kermit Carter, and was selected for improved attributes over similar varieties. In comparison to 'Black and Blue', this salvia exhibits: earlier blooming habit, tighter clumping form, and dark green foliage that does not tend to fade or become yellow.

I'd like to hear more about how it compares to both 'black & blue' and 'black & bloom'. Is it less brittle than 'black & bloom'? Are the blooms the same color as 'black & blue'? The few available photos appear a bit more purple, but I've seen 'black & blue' photos look purple as well.
Dan
East-central Iowa
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October 16th, 2016, 1:14 am #2

Dan, This Salvia was talked about by Kermit at the Salvia summit. It appears to be what is being published, Kermit was very high on this plant, but I will let him share more with you all about it as all I know was from a few power point slides from his presentation.
Central Utah
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Joined: March 18th, 2011, 8:50 pm

October 16th, 2016, 1:45 am #3

Check out what just popped up in Monrovia's salvia catalog.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... s-salivia/
http://planthaven.com/plant/salvia-boda ... and-blues/

It is a new guaranitica hybrid being marketed as an improved 'black & blue'. It says the source is Kermit Carter.

Plant Description:

Gorgeous new hybrid blooms earlier than popular 'Black and Blue' sage, freely reflowering throughout the season. Tall spikes display saturated cobalt-blue flowers, each held by an elegant black whorl. Dark green foliage maintains rich color, cloaking a tighter growth habit than others. Striking color contrast for bright-flowering perennials. Herbaceous perennial.

History:

This new x guaranitica hybrid was developed by Salvia breeding specialist Kermit Carter, and was selected for improved attributes over similar varieties. In comparison to 'Black and Blue', this salvia exhibits: earlier blooming habit, tighter clumping form, and dark green foliage that does not tend to fade or become yellow.

I'd like to hear more about how it compares to both 'black & blue' and 'black & bloom'. Is it less brittle than 'black & bloom'? Are the blooms the same color as 'black & blue'? The few available photos appear a bit more purple, but I've seen 'black & blue' photos look purple as well.
I'll be posting a full description of this new plant soon. Briefly, it is not brittle like Black and Bloom, does not have the leaf drop or yellow leaves of Black & Blue; blooms earlier branches freely and has many more flowers that are generally larger than others of this species. It was tested countrywide this year and will be widely available in 20127.

More soon.
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Joined: June 21st, 2006, 1:24 pm

October 16th, 2016, 6:14 am #4

Check out what just popped up in Monrovia's salvia catalog.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... s-salivia/
http://planthaven.com/plant/salvia-boda ... and-blues/

It is a new guaranitica hybrid being marketed as an improved 'black & blue'. It says the source is Kermit Carter.

Plant Description:

Gorgeous new hybrid blooms earlier than popular 'Black and Blue' sage, freely reflowering throughout the season. Tall spikes display saturated cobalt-blue flowers, each held by an elegant black whorl. Dark green foliage maintains rich color, cloaking a tighter growth habit than others. Striking color contrast for bright-flowering perennials. Herbaceous perennial.

History:

This new x guaranitica hybrid was developed by Salvia breeding specialist Kermit Carter, and was selected for improved attributes over similar varieties. In comparison to 'Black and Blue', this salvia exhibits: earlier blooming habit, tighter clumping form, and dark green foliage that does not tend to fade or become yellow.

I'd like to hear more about how it compares to both 'black & blue' and 'black & bloom'. Is it less brittle than 'black & bloom'? Are the blooms the same color as 'black & blue'? The few available photos appear a bit more purple, but I've seen 'black & blue' photos look purple as well.
We will be very anxious to try it---it looks so beautiful. Congratulations Kermit on your development of this plant and I'm sure it will be in great demand.

I know it's asking too much, but I only wish a Salvia guaranitica could be developed that was hardy to zone 5!

Madison, WI
Zone 5a
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Joined: May 21st, 2013, 12:09 am

October 17th, 2016, 3:39 pm #5

Check out what just popped up in Monrovia's salvia catalog.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... s-salivia/
http://planthaven.com/plant/salvia-boda ... and-blues/

It is a new guaranitica hybrid being marketed as an improved 'black & blue'. It says the source is Kermit Carter.

Plant Description:

Gorgeous new hybrid blooms earlier than popular 'Black and Blue' sage, freely reflowering throughout the season. Tall spikes display saturated cobalt-blue flowers, each held by an elegant black whorl. Dark green foliage maintains rich color, cloaking a tighter growth habit than others. Striking color contrast for bright-flowering perennials. Herbaceous perennial.

History:

This new x guaranitica hybrid was developed by Salvia breeding specialist Kermit Carter, and was selected for improved attributes over similar varieties. In comparison to 'Black and Blue', this salvia exhibits: earlier blooming habit, tighter clumping form, and dark green foliage that does not tend to fade or become yellow.

I'd like to hear more about how it compares to both 'black & blue' and 'black & bloom'. Is it less brittle than 'black & bloom'? Are the blooms the same color as 'black & blue'? The few available photos appear a bit more purple, but I've seen 'black & blue' photos look purple as well.
Interesting, I remember Kermit saying he was working on a much improved version of Black & Blue. Having long ago reached a point of taking Black & Blue for granted and having tried many other guaranitica since including ones grown from seed it occurred to me that I hadn't realized what a fine plant it is: flower timing and particularly growth habit plus hardiness. The idea of an improved version has certainly got my attention. It also doesn't hurt that the breeder has been a helpful member of our forum for some time now.
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October 17th, 2016, 5:44 pm #6

Check out what just popped up in Monrovia's salvia catalog.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... s-salivia/
http://planthaven.com/plant/salvia-boda ... and-blues/

It is a new guaranitica hybrid being marketed as an improved 'black & blue'. It says the source is Kermit Carter.

Plant Description:

Gorgeous new hybrid blooms earlier than popular 'Black and Blue' sage, freely reflowering throughout the season. Tall spikes display saturated cobalt-blue flowers, each held by an elegant black whorl. Dark green foliage maintains rich color, cloaking a tighter growth habit than others. Striking color contrast for bright-flowering perennials. Herbaceous perennial.

History:

This new x guaranitica hybrid was developed by Salvia breeding specialist Kermit Carter, and was selected for improved attributes over similar varieties. In comparison to 'Black and Blue', this salvia exhibits: earlier blooming habit, tighter clumping form, and dark green foliage that does not tend to fade or become yellow.

I'd like to hear more about how it compares to both 'black & blue' and 'black & bloom'. Is it less brittle than 'black & bloom'? Are the blooms the same color as 'black & blue'? The few available photos appear a bit more purple, but I've seen 'black & blue' photos look purple as well.
In the photos the flowers also appear larger thicker than other guaraniticas.
Steve W.
Martinsville IN.
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Joined: June 21st, 2006, 1:24 pm

October 17th, 2016, 7:44 pm #7

Check out what just popped up in Monrovia's salvia catalog.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... s-salivia/
http://planthaven.com/plant/salvia-boda ... and-blues/

It is a new guaranitica hybrid being marketed as an improved 'black & blue'. It says the source is Kermit Carter.

Plant Description:

Gorgeous new hybrid blooms earlier than popular 'Black and Blue' sage, freely reflowering throughout the season. Tall spikes display saturated cobalt-blue flowers, each held by an elegant black whorl. Dark green foliage maintains rich color, cloaking a tighter growth habit than others. Striking color contrast for bright-flowering perennials. Herbaceous perennial.

History:

This new x guaranitica hybrid was developed by Salvia breeding specialist Kermit Carter, and was selected for improved attributes over similar varieties. In comparison to 'Black and Blue', this salvia exhibits: earlier blooming habit, tighter clumping form, and dark green foliage that does not tend to fade or become yellow.

I'd like to hear more about how it compares to both 'black & blue' and 'black & bloom'. Is it less brittle than 'black & bloom'? Are the blooms the same color as 'black & blue'? The few available photos appear a bit more purple, but I've seen 'black & blue' photos look purple as well.
I wonder how this form of Salvia guaranitica will compare to 'Black and Bloom'?

I will definitely be ordering 'Rhythm & Blues' from Flowers By The Sea.
Madison, WI
Zone 5a
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Joined: September 5th, 2013, 7:40 am

October 17th, 2016, 8:59 pm #8

Check out what just popped up in Monrovia's salvia catalog.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... s-salivia/
http://planthaven.com/plant/salvia-boda ... and-blues/

It is a new guaranitica hybrid being marketed as an improved 'black & blue'. It says the source is Kermit Carter.

Plant Description:

Gorgeous new hybrid blooms earlier than popular 'Black and Blue' sage, freely reflowering throughout the season. Tall spikes display saturated cobalt-blue flowers, each held by an elegant black whorl. Dark green foliage maintains rich color, cloaking a tighter growth habit than others. Striking color contrast for bright-flowering perennials. Herbaceous perennial.

History:

This new x guaranitica hybrid was developed by Salvia breeding specialist Kermit Carter, and was selected for improved attributes over similar varieties. In comparison to 'Black and Blue', this salvia exhibits: earlier blooming habit, tighter clumping form, and dark green foliage that does not tend to fade or become yellow.

I'd like to hear more about how it compares to both 'black & blue' and 'black & bloom'. Is it less brittle than 'black & bloom'? Are the blooms the same color as 'black & blue'? The few available photos appear a bit more purple, but I've seen 'black & blue' photos look purple as well.
I am sceptical about this....
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Joined: March 18th, 2011, 8:50 pm

October 18th, 2016, 1:01 am #9

Check out what just popped up in Monrovia's salvia catalog.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... s-salivia/
http://planthaven.com/plant/salvia-boda ... and-blues/

It is a new guaranitica hybrid being marketed as an improved 'black & blue'. It says the source is Kermit Carter.

Plant Description:

Gorgeous new hybrid blooms earlier than popular 'Black and Blue' sage, freely reflowering throughout the season. Tall spikes display saturated cobalt-blue flowers, each held by an elegant black whorl. Dark green foliage maintains rich color, cloaking a tighter growth habit than others. Striking color contrast for bright-flowering perennials. Herbaceous perennial.

History:

This new x guaranitica hybrid was developed by Salvia breeding specialist Kermit Carter, and was selected for improved attributes over similar varieties. In comparison to 'Black and Blue', this salvia exhibits: earlier blooming habit, tighter clumping form, and dark green foliage that does not tend to fade or become yellow.

I'd like to hear more about how it compares to both 'black & blue' and 'black & bloom'. Is it less brittle than 'black & bloom'? Are the blooms the same color as 'black & blue'? The few available photos appear a bit more purple, but I've seen 'black & blue' photos look purple as well.
Robin, you'll be able to see it at the HTA National Plant Show next June.
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Joined: June 15th, 2012, 7:24 pm

October 19th, 2016, 2:17 am #10

Check out what just popped up in Monrovia's salvia catalog.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... s-salivia/
http://planthaven.com/plant/salvia-boda ... and-blues/

It is a new guaranitica hybrid being marketed as an improved 'black & blue'. It says the source is Kermit Carter.

Plant Description:

Gorgeous new hybrid blooms earlier than popular 'Black and Blue' sage, freely reflowering throughout the season. Tall spikes display saturated cobalt-blue flowers, each held by an elegant black whorl. Dark green foliage maintains rich color, cloaking a tighter growth habit than others. Striking color contrast for bright-flowering perennials. Herbaceous perennial.

History:

This new x guaranitica hybrid was developed by Salvia breeding specialist Kermit Carter, and was selected for improved attributes over similar varieties. In comparison to 'Black and Blue', this salvia exhibits: earlier blooming habit, tighter clumping form, and dark green foliage that does not tend to fade or become yellow.

I'd like to hear more about how it compares to both 'black & blue' and 'black & bloom'. Is it less brittle than 'black & bloom'? Are the blooms the same color as 'black & blue'? The few available photos appear a bit more purple, but I've seen 'black & blue' photos look purple as well.
Shouldn't it be Salvia guaranitica x or Salvia guaranitica var.? Or did the sponsoring nursery make that decision? I don't think you can use an already defined and committed species epithet for a defined hybrid like Salvia x jamensis = Salvia greggii x microphylla. I don't think either Kermit or PlantHaven necessarily have the last say on this issue. x jamensis is a committed hybrid name for crosses between greggii and microphylla.

If this new form is a cross between two guaraniticas, the x is unnecessary. If it is an open pollinated form, should the x not follow the species epithet?

The wrong name may make searching difficult. This looks like a major improvement for the species. I hope it works out better than Black and Bloom.
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October 24th, 2016, 12:00 am #11

Check out what just popped up in Monrovia's salvia catalog.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... s-salivia/
http://planthaven.com/plant/salvia-boda ... and-blues/

It is a new guaranitica hybrid being marketed as an improved 'black & blue'. It says the source is Kermit Carter.

Plant Description:

Gorgeous new hybrid blooms earlier than popular 'Black and Blue' sage, freely reflowering throughout the season. Tall spikes display saturated cobalt-blue flowers, each held by an elegant black whorl. Dark green foliage maintains rich color, cloaking a tighter growth habit than others. Striking color contrast for bright-flowering perennials. Herbaceous perennial.

History:

This new x guaranitica hybrid was developed by Salvia breeding specialist Kermit Carter, and was selected for improved attributes over similar varieties. In comparison to 'Black and Blue', this salvia exhibits: earlier blooming habit, tighter clumping form, and dark green foliage that does not tend to fade or become yellow.

I'd like to hear more about how it compares to both 'black & blue' and 'black & bloom'. Is it less brittle than 'black & bloom'? Are the blooms the same color as 'black & blue'? The few available photos appear a bit more purple, but I've seen 'black & blue' photos look purple as well.
Hmmm I like the earlier flowering point on this one..
I will have to keep my eyes open..
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I do have an observation.. I have volunteer seedlings of Black and
Blue which I have moved to other areas, some of them I thought
where Ensign till they bloomed...dang it..
I have noticed one thing about these compared to my original
plants..the calyxes are actually huge, now I
am going to have to go out tomorrow and see if the flower size is
different and what color the calyxes are.
Can I assume these have reverted to a parent plant?
Cathy P
Downers Grove, IL
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November 5th, 2016, 7:16 pm #12

Check out what just popped up in Monrovia's salvia catalog.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... s-salivia/
http://planthaven.com/plant/salvia-boda ... and-blues/

It is a new guaranitica hybrid being marketed as an improved 'black & blue'. It says the source is Kermit Carter.

Plant Description:

Gorgeous new hybrid blooms earlier than popular 'Black and Blue' sage, freely reflowering throughout the season. Tall spikes display saturated cobalt-blue flowers, each held by an elegant black whorl. Dark green foliage maintains rich color, cloaking a tighter growth habit than others. Striking color contrast for bright-flowering perennials. Herbaceous perennial.

History:

This new x guaranitica hybrid was developed by Salvia breeding specialist Kermit Carter, and was selected for improved attributes over similar varieties. In comparison to 'Black and Blue', this salvia exhibits: earlier blooming habit, tighter clumping form, and dark green foliage that does not tend to fade or become yellow.

I'd like to hear more about how it compares to both 'black & blue' and 'black & bloom'. Is it less brittle than 'black & bloom'? Are the blooms the same color as 'black & blue'? The few available photos appear a bit more purple, but I've seen 'black & blue' photos look purple as well.
Hey Kermit can we preorder it for spring?
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November 5th, 2016, 9:09 pm #13

Check out what just popped up in Monrovia's salvia catalog.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... s-salivia/
http://planthaven.com/plant/salvia-boda ... and-blues/

It is a new guaranitica hybrid being marketed as an improved 'black & blue'. It says the source is Kermit Carter.

Plant Description:

Gorgeous new hybrid blooms earlier than popular 'Black and Blue' sage, freely reflowering throughout the season. Tall spikes display saturated cobalt-blue flowers, each held by an elegant black whorl. Dark green foliage maintains rich color, cloaking a tighter growth habit than others. Striking color contrast for bright-flowering perennials. Herbaceous perennial.

History:

This new x guaranitica hybrid was developed by Salvia breeding specialist Kermit Carter, and was selected for improved attributes over similar varieties. In comparison to 'Black and Blue', this salvia exhibits: earlier blooming habit, tighter clumping form, and dark green foliage that does not tend to fade or become yellow.

I'd like to hear more about how it compares to both 'black & blue' and 'black & bloom'. Is it less brittle than 'black & bloom'? Are the blooms the same color as 'black & blue'? The few available photos appear a bit more purple, but I've seen 'black & blue' photos look purple as well.
Sorry to take so long to get out the information about this plant. Nursery work can be all encompassing at times.

‘Rhythm and Blues’ was developed as an alternative to ‘Black & Blue’. For so many (including some of the nation’s major wholesale growers) ‘Black & Blue’ has been problematic: the foliage tends to yellow out and not persist, the plant habit is not branched and compact and the flower to foliage ratio is not at all good. Breakage and wind damage are common complaint as well when the plant is at the peak of its growth.

Over the course of several seasons we developed a plant that has glossy deep green persistent leaves, very good branching, a strong woody structure that is not prone to breakage and is exceptionally floriferous. The flowers are large and each inflorescence typically has 13 whorls of 6 to 12 flowers each. They are not a true clear blue, having a purplish tint, but look more blue than purple.

After our trials here in 2014, it was grown and evaluated all across the country in 2015 - in California, Georgia, Ohio, Illinois, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Michigan, Oregon, California, South Carolina and Florida. Several of the trial sites grew it in parallel with ‘Black & Blue’, ‘Black and Bloom’ and ‘Amistad’. In every case, it was faster growing, earlier to bloom and had greater “flower power” in standard sizes of retail containers than those it was being compared to. In every case the evaluations found it to be superior to ‘Black & Blue’ (from the point of view of the wholesale grower). As a result, it has been picked up by several of these growers this year. After the 2017 California Spring Trials we anticipate it becoming a standard variety in the US. European and Australian trials are scheduled for next year.

We have all the Salvia guaranitica type varieties we offer in our test gardens. The first one to come into bloom in the spring is ‘Rhythm & Blues’, and now in early November it is still putting out flowers, many weeks after all others have ceased blooming. The young hummingbirds that overwinter here are quite enamored with it. We’ve not done a brix test on the nectar, but there is a great deal of it and our hummingbirds are all over it.

We’ll have it available for pre-ordering on our site January 1st, for delivery starting in March. Vikki and I hope you and your bird friends enjoy it as much as we have.

I'll post a few more pictures soon. Photobucket is not working right now.

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November 5th, 2016, 11:10 pm #14

Check out what just popped up in Monrovia's salvia catalog.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... s-salivia/
http://planthaven.com/plant/salvia-boda ... and-blues/

It is a new guaranitica hybrid being marketed as an improved 'black & blue'. It says the source is Kermit Carter.

Plant Description:

Gorgeous new hybrid blooms earlier than popular 'Black and Blue' sage, freely reflowering throughout the season. Tall spikes display saturated cobalt-blue flowers, each held by an elegant black whorl. Dark green foliage maintains rich color, cloaking a tighter growth habit than others. Striking color contrast for bright-flowering perennials. Herbaceous perennial.

History:

This new x guaranitica hybrid was developed by Salvia breeding specialist Kermit Carter, and was selected for improved attributes over similar varieties. In comparison to 'Black and Blue', this salvia exhibits: earlier blooming habit, tighter clumping form, and dark green foliage that does not tend to fade or become yellow.

I'd like to hear more about how it compares to both 'black & blue' and 'black & bloom'. Is it less brittle than 'black & bloom'? Are the blooms the same color as 'black & blue'? The few available photos appear a bit more purple, but I've seen 'black & blue' photos look purple as well.
Thanks for this update Kermit. I can hardly wait to try it next spring. I guess it goes without saying that hummingbirds love it just as much as they do 'Black and Blue' and other forms of Salvia guaranitica.

Madison, WI
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November 6th, 2016, 12:25 am #15

Check out what just popped up in Monrovia's salvia catalog.

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/p ... s-salivia/
http://planthaven.com/plant/salvia-boda ... and-blues/

It is a new guaranitica hybrid being marketed as an improved 'black & blue'. It says the source is Kermit Carter.

Plant Description:

Gorgeous new hybrid blooms earlier than popular 'Black and Blue' sage, freely reflowering throughout the season. Tall spikes display saturated cobalt-blue flowers, each held by an elegant black whorl. Dark green foliage maintains rich color, cloaking a tighter growth habit than others. Striking color contrast for bright-flowering perennials. Herbaceous perennial.

History:

This new x guaranitica hybrid was developed by Salvia breeding specialist Kermit Carter, and was selected for improved attributes over similar varieties. In comparison to 'Black and Blue', this salvia exhibits: earlier blooming habit, tighter clumping form, and dark green foliage that does not tend to fade or become yellow.

I'd like to hear more about how it compares to both 'black & blue' and 'black & bloom'. Is it less brittle than 'black & bloom'? Are the blooms the same color as 'black & blue'? The few available photos appear a bit more purple, but I've seen 'black & blue' photos look purple as well.
Thanks for the update, Kermit.

I've seen it described as fast growing to 3 x 3 ft. Does it really just slam on the brakes at that size or does it ultimately become much larger than black & blue?
Dan
East-central Iowa
Zone 5a
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