Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

karinNJ
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April 2nd, 2011, 7:39 pm #1

Hi, everybody! I watch the hummingbird nest cams on Ustream. Two days ago, an 'orphaned' baby was added to a nest with 2 babies in it. I believe the two original babies are 8 and 7 days old, now. The 'orphaned' baby might be about 2, or 3, days younger. So far, everything looks fine. I think there is a 'Rehabber' monitoring the 'cam'. Rehabber suggested adding this new baby to nest. Also, Rehabber thinks the new baby may be an 'Annas'. Mom and her two babies are 'Allens'. I was wondering if anybody here has had any experience with this. Should another nest be put close-by, to accommodate the new baby orphan? The name of the Ustream show is "ourhummingbird nestcam".
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April 2nd, 2011, 8:00 pm #2

This uis Phoebe's second nesting this year. If the orphaned baby was put in with the other two it is probably because she would have a better chance of being fed by Phoebe. If the baby was in another nest Phoebe would probably ignore it. It has been a week since i have checked the video myself...those babies have grown fast!

I watched through two feedings and only two babies were fed. I don't know where that third one is hiding.

Penny
NY
USDA hardiness zone 6a/6b
Heat zone 4
Sunset zone 39
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Penny
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Western NY state
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April 2nd, 2011, 8:37 pm #3

Hi, everybody! I watch the hummingbird nest cams on Ustream. Two days ago, an 'orphaned' baby was added to a nest with 2 babies in it. I believe the two original babies are 8 and 7 days old, now. The 'orphaned' baby might be about 2, or 3, days younger. So far, everything looks fine. I think there is a 'Rehabber' monitoring the 'cam'. Rehabber suggested adding this new baby to nest. Also, Rehabber thinks the new baby may be an 'Annas'. Mom and her two babies are 'Allens'. I was wondering if anybody here has had any experience with this. Should another nest be put close-by, to accommodate the new baby orphan? The name of the Ustream show is "ourhummingbird nestcam".
Thanks for posting about that, Karin! I was meaning to the other day but it had slipped my mind!

This is "Emma's" nest in the candelabra in California (a few miles away from Phoebe)...
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ourhummingbirdnest-com

I think she's an Annas as well because she doesn't have any of the brown markings of an Allens. I will be verrrrrrrry curious to see how this plays out. I can't imagine there being enough room for the 3 chicks as they get older and bigger! I wonder if the rehabbers will step back in at that point. Thank heavens Emma didn't reject the poor little baby! I understand a neighbor cut the other nest down by mistake while trimming bushes! A warning for all of us to be careful this Spring!

Caro
SE PA, Zone 6b
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April 2nd, 2011, 8:39 pm #4

Hi, everybody! I watch the hummingbird nest cams on Ustream. Two days ago, an 'orphaned' baby was added to a nest with 2 babies in it. I believe the two original babies are 8 and 7 days old, now. The 'orphaned' baby might be about 2, or 3, days younger. So far, everything looks fine. I think there is a 'Rehabber' monitoring the 'cam'. Rehabber suggested adding this new baby to nest. Also, Rehabber thinks the new baby may be an 'Annas'. Mom and her two babies are 'Allens'. I was wondering if anybody here has had any experience with this. Should another nest be put close-by, to accommodate the new baby orphan? The name of the Ustream show is "ourhummingbird nestcam".
I'd be curious to know what Connie thinks of this kind of surrogacy. Has it been practiced successfully before? I have no rehab experience. However, every nest [maybe 5] I've known [none from first-hand experience] about that held more than 2 young failed. I heard of two that failed when the nest burst from the pressure of 3 rambunctious nestlings. In these cases [in the wild], all the young perished when they lost their nest prematurely and were forced to 'fledge' before they were mature enough. I would also be concerned that the female would face an extraordinary burden trying to supply sufficient protein to 3 young plus herself. Also, if the female is not still brooding her own 2 young, would she automatically brood the extra youngster? I'd be interested to know how this works out.

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April 2nd, 2011, 8:40 pm #5

Hi, everybody! I watch the hummingbird nest cams on Ustream. Two days ago, an 'orphaned' baby was added to a nest with 2 babies in it. I believe the two original babies are 8 and 7 days old, now. The 'orphaned' baby might be about 2, or 3, days younger. So far, everything looks fine. I think there is a 'Rehabber' monitoring the 'cam'. Rehabber suggested adding this new baby to nest. Also, Rehabber thinks the new baby may be an 'Annas'. Mom and her two babies are 'Allens'. I was wondering if anybody here has had any experience with this. Should another nest be put close-by, to accommodate the new baby orphan? The name of the Ustream show is "ourhummingbird nestcam".
Can't be to comfy with 3 heads knocking you off the nest. Females rock!

Pam
Matawan,NJ 6B



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April 2nd, 2011, 10:24 pm #6

Hi, everybody! I watch the hummingbird nest cams on Ustream. Two days ago, an 'orphaned' baby was added to a nest with 2 babies in it. I believe the two original babies are 8 and 7 days old, now. The 'orphaned' baby might be about 2, or 3, days younger. So far, everything looks fine. I think there is a 'Rehabber' monitoring the 'cam'. Rehabber suggested adding this new baby to nest. Also, Rehabber thinks the new baby may be an 'Annas'. Mom and her two babies are 'Allens'. I was wondering if anybody here has had any experience with this. Should another nest be put close-by, to accommodate the new baby orphan? The name of the Ustream show is "ourhummingbird nestcam".
Thank you for the replies. I have been following Phoebe, since 2007. Her 2 newest babies are about to fledge any minute now.

Emma looks different than Phoebe, to me. She has a lot of white feathers above her eyes. But, the host says Emma is an Allens, too. They said that Emma did not sleep in nest last night with the 3 babies. I've, always, seen the Mom spend the night with babies, at least 'til they were 9, or 10 days old. I thought that was curious. Just wondering if the nest is already too full for Mom.

I believe the host and Rehabber tried to find 'documentation' concerning this predictament, but couldn't find any information, anywhere. I, really, don't see how Emma is going to be able to tend to all 3 babies. Hopefully, the Rehabber will be able to 'tend to' Baby Hope when she is a little older, before she grows too big for the nest.

There is a photo of the orphan baby in the host's hand (when they first brought him home). So tiny - it's amazing. This is the third day for new baby in nest. At first, hosts thought baby wasn't going to make it. Baby seems to be doing very well. I can only hope for the best, for Emma and Babies. I guess only time will tell.
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April 2nd, 2011, 10:50 pm #7

Hi, everybody! I watch the hummingbird nest cams on Ustream. Two days ago, an 'orphaned' baby was added to a nest with 2 babies in it. I believe the two original babies are 8 and 7 days old, now. The 'orphaned' baby might be about 2, or 3, days younger. So far, everything looks fine. I think there is a 'Rehabber' monitoring the 'cam'. Rehabber suggested adding this new baby to nest. Also, Rehabber thinks the new baby may be an 'Annas'. Mom and her two babies are 'Allens'. I was wondering if anybody here has had any experience with this. Should another nest be put close-by, to accommodate the new baby orphan? The name of the Ustream show is "ourhummingbird nestcam".
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April 2nd, 2011, 11:27 pm #8

Hi, everybody! I watch the hummingbird nest cams on Ustream. Two days ago, an 'orphaned' baby was added to a nest with 2 babies in it. I believe the two original babies are 8 and 7 days old, now. The 'orphaned' baby might be about 2, or 3, days younger. So far, everything looks fine. I think there is a 'Rehabber' monitoring the 'cam'. Rehabber suggested adding this new baby to nest. Also, Rehabber thinks the new baby may be an 'Annas'. Mom and her two babies are 'Allens'. I was wondering if anybody here has had any experience with this. Should another nest be put close-by, to accommodate the new baby orphan? The name of the Ustream show is "ourhummingbird nestcam".
Amazing! I was watching Phoebe's nest today, and didn't happen to look at Emma's, so didn't know about this unusual development. The site owner has a really nice page where she writes more details about how the new baby, Hope, was found, what the rehabber suggested, and how they're doing right now. Also has a nice story about the host's grandmother and how this nest came to be.

Visit:http://ourhummingbirdnest.shutterfly.com/

LindaSkyview
Western NC mountains
Zone 6b - Sunset Zone 36 - Heat Zone 4,5,6
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April 3rd, 2011, 12:21 am #9

Hi, everybody! I watch the hummingbird nest cams on Ustream. Two days ago, an 'orphaned' baby was added to a nest with 2 babies in it. I believe the two original babies are 8 and 7 days old, now. The 'orphaned' baby might be about 2, or 3, days younger. So far, everything looks fine. I think there is a 'Rehabber' monitoring the 'cam'. Rehabber suggested adding this new baby to nest. Also, Rehabber thinks the new baby may be an 'Annas'. Mom and her two babies are 'Allens'. I was wondering if anybody here has had any experience with this. Should another nest be put close-by, to accommodate the new baby orphan? The name of the Ustream show is "ourhummingbird nestcam".
I tried using the finding the link from what Karin originally posted but I ended up with Phoebe's webcam and I thought that was what she was referring to ...sorry Karin. I just now saw Emma's nest from the link that Linda posted. OK now I have two nests to keep and eye on.



Penny
NY
USDA hardiness zone 6a/6b
Heat zone 4
Sunset zone 39
Penny
Zone 6a
Western NY state
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April 3rd, 2011, 1:24 am #10

Hi, everybody! I watch the hummingbird nest cams on Ustream. Two days ago, an 'orphaned' baby was added to a nest with 2 babies in it. I believe the two original babies are 8 and 7 days old, now. The 'orphaned' baby might be about 2, or 3, days younger. So far, everything looks fine. I think there is a 'Rehabber' monitoring the 'cam'. Rehabber suggested adding this new baby to nest. Also, Rehabber thinks the new baby may be an 'Annas'. Mom and her two babies are 'Allens'. I was wondering if anybody here has had any experience with this. Should another nest be put close-by, to accommodate the new baby orphan? The name of the Ustream show is "ourhummingbird nestcam".
I just read this post and learned about this situation.

This will indeed be interesting, since I personally don't know anyone that has ever had the opportunity to even try hummingbird nest surrogacy before. The fact that this is all on live camera is a blessing for three reasons (1) we can see how the mother and "siblings" respond to the new baby and vice versa (2) we can see if mom is able to handle the extra burden (3) monitoring the nest so closely will allow the the local rehabber to determine if and when intervention is needed.

The up side in this surrogacy approach, is that mom doesn't appear to have rejected the baby and there is nothing better than mother's "crop milk" (for lack of a better term) for such a young hatchling. Mom can not only give them the proper nutrition, but she imparts probiotics, crop enzymes, and antibodies (kind of like colostrum in babies) that are so needed at that critical stage. The down side is that, as Nancy suggests, overcrowding could become an issue and mom might not be able to handle the load, putting the entire nest at risk. There is a reason that there are usually only two eggs laid per nest.

Insertion of nestlings into surrogate nests is often done successfully with songbirds. In fact, there are rehabber and backyard bird-watcher groups that work closely together to keep a running list of what's nesting in who's yard and the approximate age of the chicks; so that when orphans come in to rehab of the same age and species, they can attempt re-nesting with a surrogate, and, as long as the nest isn't overcrowded, it often works fine. The instinct to feed a gaping mouth is very strong in most birds.

Nevertheless, I would be monitoring this situation closely and if possible, checking to make sure that all crops are full, observe that all the chicks are pooping normally and rigorously, and they are all developing normally (strong "gape" reflex, developing pins, growing, etc). I've been watching for the past hour and so far mom doesn't appear to be stressed out (at least yet anyway), and she is feeding and brooding them. If I saw anything abnormal or signs of distress, either with mom or the chicks, I would remove the new one and raise it in rehab. Hummingbird nestlings can be successfully raised by a rehabber in captivity. As with songbirds, the hatchling stage is more challenging and sometimes tenuous, so the older the nestling the better for the rehabber and the nestling, if it becomes necessary to bring into rehab.

Along with many others, I'll be watching this nest with both intrigue and concern and definitely will contact the host if I see anything that I think needs immediate attention. So glad this post was made to this list!

Connie

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