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Joined: December 3rd, 2016, 8:29 pm

December 4th, 2016, 5:47 am #1



I see where Bob our benefactor and host here , asked that new members introduce myself. My name is Doug Loney aka lonediver, aka desert rat. My wife (Julie) and I reside in the Sonoran desert of ARIDzona south of Phoenix. We moved here some 12 - 13 years ago and it was my aspiration to create a wildlife habitat . The 4 acres that we have is reclaimed farmland . So it was rather barren . The wife told me to turn it green , that she did not want bare dirt . So some 12 years later I am still in the process of turning it green .

(Do you have any idea of how hard that is to do in the desert in a drought! )

For the last 5 - 6 years we have been averaging 3 to 4 inches of ..... rain I think it is called. Been so long I don't remember.

Anyhow some 150 trees plus innumerable shrubs, cactus, succulents and so on later, the wife crys about how much I have spent . To which I reply that I am only doing what I was instructed back 12 plus years ago . I'm still turning it green .

Want to see how I have done ?

http://desertratstudio.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvbIn48WrqM

http://aziba.org/?page_id=1096


Along the way I have gotten involved in a few projects and orginizations . Another of my favorite birds are vultures , I consider them to be one of the most graceful birds in the sky . To watch a kettle of them mill in the sky is like watching a ballet to me. I will carry on more about vultures later but here is some of what I have been involved with about vultures;

http://sonoranjv.org/tracking-turkey-vu ... igrations/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress. ... t-odyssey/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress.com/2013/06/ (about a quarter of the way down the page)

http://archive.azcentral.com/travel/art ... clues.html



I have been some what active about wildlife gardening in the past at other forums;


http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... urrow.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... -help.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... tings.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... piles.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... eltoe.html



I have come across this The hummingbird forum before in the past, but the other day I was researching Garden Treasures hummingbird feeders and in the process found some discussion of them here . I have been studying nectar feeders for some 4 - 5 years and been somewhat disapointed at a lot of what is sold in the market place.

Here for some time we have been plagued with the africanized "killer bees" . I looked through a thread here entitled bees . Well I have more than a few stories to tell about dealing with bees. Pictures and videos of a lot of it . Most so called bee proof/resistant feeders sold out there, are not !

And then there are a number of feeders that are not labeled as bee resistant that are . I noticed a woman by name of Nancy here , who said that she had accumulated some 100 plus feeders . Well I hope that we can have some serious discussion on nectar feeders. I too have some 100 plus. My first test for a feeder here is bee resistance and if it does not pass that test , the feeder proceeds to storage. Then I look at ease of cleaning ........

I have also been looking at waterers , bird baths, drippers and misters if you would enjoy hearing about what I have learned.

Also have been developing an interest in Aeolian music/instruments.

Well I will wrap it up for now, looking forward to some good discussion.
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December 4th, 2016, 3:27 pm #2

Doug,

What an amazing homestead you have! Love all the cacti and succulents. Bet the hummers love those blooms.

I must say, you sound like a smart man listening to your wife and doing what she says lol
Never stop enjoying life,
Rhonda

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December 4th, 2016, 5:03 pm #3


I see where Bob our benefactor and host here , asked that new members introduce myself. My name is Doug Loney aka lonediver, aka desert rat. My wife (Julie) and I reside in the Sonoran desert of ARIDzona south of Phoenix. We moved here some 12 - 13 years ago and it was my aspiration to create a wildlife habitat . The 4 acres that we have is reclaimed farmland . So it was rather barren . The wife told me to turn it green , that she did not want bare dirt . So some 12 years later I am still in the process of turning it green .

(Do you have any idea of how hard that is to do in the desert in a drought! )

For the last 5 - 6 years we have been averaging 3 to 4 inches of ..... rain I think it is called. Been so long I don't remember.

Anyhow some 150 trees plus innumerable shrubs, cactus, succulents and so on later, the wife crys about how much I have spent . To which I reply that I am only doing what I was instructed back 12 plus years ago . I'm still turning it green .

Want to see how I have done ?

http://desertratstudio.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvbIn48WrqM

http://aziba.org/?page_id=1096


Along the way I have gotten involved in a few projects and orginizations . Another of my favorite birds are vultures , I consider them to be one of the most graceful birds in the sky . To watch a kettle of them mill in the sky is like watching a ballet to me. I will carry on more about vultures later but here is some of what I have been involved with about vultures;

http://sonoranjv.org/tracking-turkey-vu ... igrations/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress. ... t-odyssey/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress.com/2013/06/ (about a quarter of the way down the page)

http://archive.azcentral.com/travel/art ... clues.html



I have been some what active about wildlife gardening in the past at other forums;


http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... urrow.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... -help.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... tings.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... piles.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... eltoe.html



I have come across this The hummingbird forum before in the past, but the other day I was researching Garden Treasures hummingbird feeders and in the process found some discussion of them here . I have been studying nectar feeders for some 4 - 5 years and been somewhat disapointed at a lot of what is sold in the market place.

Here for some time we have been plagued with the africanized "killer bees" . I looked through a thread here entitled bees . Well I have more than a few stories to tell about dealing with bees. Pictures and videos of a lot of it . Most so called bee proof/resistant feeders sold out there, are not !

And then there are a number of feeders that are not labeled as bee resistant that are . I noticed a woman by name of Nancy here , who said that she had accumulated some 100 plus feeders . Well I hope that we can have some serious discussion on nectar feeders. I too have some 100 plus. My first test for a feeder here is bee resistance and if it does not pass that test , the feeder proceeds to storage. Then I look at ease of cleaning ........

I have also been looking at waterers , bird baths, drippers and misters if you would enjoy hearing about what I have learned.

Also have been developing an interest in Aeolian music/instruments.

Well I will wrap it up for now, looking forward to some good discussion.
Great to have you join and share your loves.

I agree with Rhonda; the secret to a happy relationship is to always say these magic words:

"Yes, dear;anything you say,dear."
Regards,
Bob
Lexington, Ky.
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December 4th, 2016, 10:42 pm #4


I see where Bob our benefactor and host here , asked that new members introduce myself. My name is Doug Loney aka lonediver, aka desert rat. My wife (Julie) and I reside in the Sonoran desert of ARIDzona south of Phoenix. We moved here some 12 - 13 years ago and it was my aspiration to create a wildlife habitat . The 4 acres that we have is reclaimed farmland . So it was rather barren . The wife told me to turn it green , that she did not want bare dirt . So some 12 years later I am still in the process of turning it green .

(Do you have any idea of how hard that is to do in the desert in a drought! )

For the last 5 - 6 years we have been averaging 3 to 4 inches of ..... rain I think it is called. Been so long I don't remember.

Anyhow some 150 trees plus innumerable shrubs, cactus, succulents and so on later, the wife crys about how much I have spent . To which I reply that I am only doing what I was instructed back 12 plus years ago . I'm still turning it green .

Want to see how I have done ?

http://desertratstudio.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvbIn48WrqM

http://aziba.org/?page_id=1096


Along the way I have gotten involved in a few projects and orginizations . Another of my favorite birds are vultures , I consider them to be one of the most graceful birds in the sky . To watch a kettle of them mill in the sky is like watching a ballet to me. I will carry on more about vultures later but here is some of what I have been involved with about vultures;

http://sonoranjv.org/tracking-turkey-vu ... igrations/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress. ... t-odyssey/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress.com/2013/06/ (about a quarter of the way down the page)

http://archive.azcentral.com/travel/art ... clues.html



I have been some what active about wildlife gardening in the past at other forums;


http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... urrow.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... -help.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... tings.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... piles.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... eltoe.html



I have come across this The hummingbird forum before in the past, but the other day I was researching Garden Treasures hummingbird feeders and in the process found some discussion of them here . I have been studying nectar feeders for some 4 - 5 years and been somewhat disapointed at a lot of what is sold in the market place.

Here for some time we have been plagued with the africanized "killer bees" . I looked through a thread here entitled bees . Well I have more than a few stories to tell about dealing with bees. Pictures and videos of a lot of it . Most so called bee proof/resistant feeders sold out there, are not !

And then there are a number of feeders that are not labeled as bee resistant that are . I noticed a woman by name of Nancy here , who said that she had accumulated some 100 plus feeders . Well I hope that we can have some serious discussion on nectar feeders. I too have some 100 plus. My first test for a feeder here is bee resistance and if it does not pass that test , the feeder proceeds to storage. Then I look at ease of cleaning ........

I have also been looking at waterers , bird baths, drippers and misters if you would enjoy hearing about what I have learned.

Also have been developing an interest in Aeolian music/instruments.

Well I will wrap it up for now, looking forward to some good discussion.
Doug,
I'm assuming your SW of Phoenix not due S and south of I-8. About the only plants that survive there are Cacti and very few others, from the little I know of the area. As such cacti are not great nectar producers but this link may be of interest to you.

https://www.desertmuseum.org/pollinatio ... gbirds.php

Welcome to the forum, I admire your grit and determination to live in a rather inhospitable area of the SW. Where did you live before moving to the Sonora Desert?
Joe M.
Lakeland, FL
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December 5th, 2016, 12:18 am #5


I see where Bob our benefactor and host here , asked that new members introduce myself. My name is Doug Loney aka lonediver, aka desert rat. My wife (Julie) and I reside in the Sonoran desert of ARIDzona south of Phoenix. We moved here some 12 - 13 years ago and it was my aspiration to create a wildlife habitat . The 4 acres that we have is reclaimed farmland . So it was rather barren . The wife told me to turn it green , that she did not want bare dirt . So some 12 years later I am still in the process of turning it green .

(Do you have any idea of how hard that is to do in the desert in a drought! )

For the last 5 - 6 years we have been averaging 3 to 4 inches of ..... rain I think it is called. Been so long I don't remember.

Anyhow some 150 trees plus innumerable shrubs, cactus, succulents and so on later, the wife crys about how much I have spent . To which I reply that I am only doing what I was instructed back 12 plus years ago . I'm still turning it green .

Want to see how I have done ?

http://desertratstudio.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvbIn48WrqM

http://aziba.org/?page_id=1096


Along the way I have gotten involved in a few projects and orginizations . Another of my favorite birds are vultures , I consider them to be one of the most graceful birds in the sky . To watch a kettle of them mill in the sky is like watching a ballet to me. I will carry on more about vultures later but here is some of what I have been involved with about vultures;

http://sonoranjv.org/tracking-turkey-vu ... igrations/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress. ... t-odyssey/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress.com/2013/06/ (about a quarter of the way down the page)

http://archive.azcentral.com/travel/art ... clues.html



I have been some what active about wildlife gardening in the past at other forums;


http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... urrow.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... -help.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... tings.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... piles.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... eltoe.html



I have come across this The hummingbird forum before in the past, but the other day I was researching Garden Treasures hummingbird feeders and in the process found some discussion of them here . I have been studying nectar feeders for some 4 - 5 years and been somewhat disapointed at a lot of what is sold in the market place.

Here for some time we have been plagued with the africanized "killer bees" . I looked through a thread here entitled bees . Well I have more than a few stories to tell about dealing with bees. Pictures and videos of a lot of it . Most so called bee proof/resistant feeders sold out there, are not !

And then there are a number of feeders that are not labeled as bee resistant that are . I noticed a woman by name of Nancy here , who said that she had accumulated some 100 plus feeders . Well I hope that we can have some serious discussion on nectar feeders. I too have some 100 plus. My first test for a feeder here is bee resistance and if it does not pass that test , the feeder proceeds to storage. Then I look at ease of cleaning ........

I have also been looking at waterers , bird baths, drippers and misters if you would enjoy hearing about what I have learned.

Also have been developing an interest in Aeolian music/instruments.

Well I will wrap it up for now, looking forward to some good discussion.
Hi Joe,

My place is very nearly due south of the town of Maricopa . State Hwy 347 is the main road coming off I-10 through the town of Maricopa, keep going south on 347 to nearly where it T-bones into state Hwy 84 and I am about nearly a mile N.E. of that intersection but north of I-8 . Not by much 3 to 4 miles . If I get on the roof I can see the lights of the traffic of I-8 but sufficiently far to not get the noise . Somewhat N.E. of the Table Top wilderness which is on the south of I-8 . Just 1/2 mile west of me Saguaro, ocotillo, some mammillaria, hedge hogs and a few varieties of opuntia . Very sparse just around me . We exist in a bit of a rain shadow due to Table Top mountain which most prevailing winds, storms come from out of the S.W. from the gulf of California .

If you find that intersection I mentioned of 347 and 84, I am equi-distant from Casa Grande and Maricopa. If you google mapped the area, it is not hard to find me. I am the greenest small plot other than large agriculture plots not far away.

Our area is labeled as creosote scrub but creosote does have a nice fragrance after a rain. If you look at the link at;

http://aziba.org/?page_id=1096


You will see a list of a lot of the birds I have drawn to here. Back when I was doing the vulture feeding station, we succeeeded in drawing a Crested Caracara;

https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Crested_Caracara/id

The farthest north one has been observed in Arizona. It visited here twice about 10 months apart when I was putting out special vulture "seed". (Trying to be P.C. here , something I do not succeed at real well)

Mesquite's, Ironwoods, and Catclaw tree are indigenous to the area as well. Since it seems that you are familar with the area, Desert Survivors nursery out of Tucson ;

http://desertsurvivors.org/

Desert Survivors has great plant lists for birds and fauna

http://desertsurvivors.org/plant-lists.html

Specializes in selling nothing but plants native to the Sonoran desert.


Not a lot of cacti draws hummingbirds but a fair number of succulents. ( Some whimsical information; not all succulents are cacti but all cacti are succulents ) Cacti are only native to the Americas.



Tohono Chul botanical garden has a small year round nursery and does twice a year sales

http://tohonochulpark.org/

Sonora desert museum does one or two sales a year

http://desertmuseum.org/

Desert Botanical Garden in Phoenix does twice a year sales

http://www.dbg.org/

Boyce Thompson Arboretum in Superior also does sales

http://arboretum.ag.arizona.edu/


Tucson is the cactus capitol of world with more cactus and succulent experts that anywhere else in the world.

Check out an online site called the cactus mall;

http://www.cactus-mall.com/nursery.html

http://www.cactus-mall.com/apps/arizona.html


Did you used to live in Arizona Joe?
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December 5th, 2016, 4:46 am #6


I see where Bob our benefactor and host here , asked that new members introduce myself. My name is Doug Loney aka lonediver, aka desert rat. My wife (Julie) and I reside in the Sonoran desert of ARIDzona south of Phoenix. We moved here some 12 - 13 years ago and it was my aspiration to create a wildlife habitat . The 4 acres that we have is reclaimed farmland . So it was rather barren . The wife told me to turn it green , that she did not want bare dirt . So some 12 years later I am still in the process of turning it green .

(Do you have any idea of how hard that is to do in the desert in a drought! )

For the last 5 - 6 years we have been averaging 3 to 4 inches of ..... rain I think it is called. Been so long I don't remember.

Anyhow some 150 trees plus innumerable shrubs, cactus, succulents and so on later, the wife crys about how much I have spent . To which I reply that I am only doing what I was instructed back 12 plus years ago . I'm still turning it green .

Want to see how I have done ?

http://desertratstudio.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvbIn48WrqM

http://aziba.org/?page_id=1096


Along the way I have gotten involved in a few projects and orginizations . Another of my favorite birds are vultures , I consider them to be one of the most graceful birds in the sky . To watch a kettle of them mill in the sky is like watching a ballet to me. I will carry on more about vultures later but here is some of what I have been involved with about vultures;

http://sonoranjv.org/tracking-turkey-vu ... igrations/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress. ... t-odyssey/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress.com/2013/06/ (about a quarter of the way down the page)

http://archive.azcentral.com/travel/art ... clues.html



I have been some what active about wildlife gardening in the past at other forums;


http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... urrow.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... -help.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... tings.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... piles.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... eltoe.html



I have come across this The hummingbird forum before in the past, but the other day I was researching Garden Treasures hummingbird feeders and in the process found some discussion of them here . I have been studying nectar feeders for some 4 - 5 years and been somewhat disapointed at a lot of what is sold in the market place.

Here for some time we have been plagued with the africanized "killer bees" . I looked through a thread here entitled bees . Well I have more than a few stories to tell about dealing with bees. Pictures and videos of a lot of it . Most so called bee proof/resistant feeders sold out there, are not !

And then there are a number of feeders that are not labeled as bee resistant that are . I noticed a woman by name of Nancy here , who said that she had accumulated some 100 plus feeders . Well I hope that we can have some serious discussion on nectar feeders. I too have some 100 plus. My first test for a feeder here is bee resistance and if it does not pass that test , the feeder proceeds to storage. Then I look at ease of cleaning ........

I have also been looking at waterers , bird baths, drippers and misters if you would enjoy hearing about what I have learned.

Also have been developing an interest in Aeolian music/instruments.

Well I will wrap it up for now, looking forward to some good discussion.
Welcome Doug to the site!
I am a relative newcomer to the site as well, haven't posted much since October but I am on every week looking and reading the posts, have been extraordinary busy for this time of year. I am in humming bird shock this time of year lol can't wait to have the little birds back here in Utah. A great site here with some fantastic people, a few I have met, knowledgable and kind folks. Anyway welcome to the forum.
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December 5th, 2016, 5:51 am #7


I see where Bob our benefactor and host here , asked that new members introduce myself. My name is Doug Loney aka lonediver, aka desert rat. My wife (Julie) and I reside in the Sonoran desert of ARIDzona south of Phoenix. We moved here some 12 - 13 years ago and it was my aspiration to create a wildlife habitat . The 4 acres that we have is reclaimed farmland . So it was rather barren . The wife told me to turn it green , that she did not want bare dirt . So some 12 years later I am still in the process of turning it green .

(Do you have any idea of how hard that is to do in the desert in a drought! )

For the last 5 - 6 years we have been averaging 3 to 4 inches of ..... rain I think it is called. Been so long I don't remember.

Anyhow some 150 trees plus innumerable shrubs, cactus, succulents and so on later, the wife crys about how much I have spent . To which I reply that I am only doing what I was instructed back 12 plus years ago . I'm still turning it green .

Want to see how I have done ?

http://desertratstudio.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvbIn48WrqM

http://aziba.org/?page_id=1096


Along the way I have gotten involved in a few projects and orginizations . Another of my favorite birds are vultures , I consider them to be one of the most graceful birds in the sky . To watch a kettle of them mill in the sky is like watching a ballet to me. I will carry on more about vultures later but here is some of what I have been involved with about vultures;

http://sonoranjv.org/tracking-turkey-vu ... igrations/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress. ... t-odyssey/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress.com/2013/06/ (about a quarter of the way down the page)

http://archive.azcentral.com/travel/art ... clues.html



I have been some what active about wildlife gardening in the past at other forums;


http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... urrow.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... -help.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... tings.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... piles.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... eltoe.html



I have come across this The hummingbird forum before in the past, but the other day I was researching Garden Treasures hummingbird feeders and in the process found some discussion of them here . I have been studying nectar feeders for some 4 - 5 years and been somewhat disapointed at a lot of what is sold in the market place.

Here for some time we have been plagued with the africanized "killer bees" . I looked through a thread here entitled bees . Well I have more than a few stories to tell about dealing with bees. Pictures and videos of a lot of it . Most so called bee proof/resistant feeders sold out there, are not !

And then there are a number of feeders that are not labeled as bee resistant that are . I noticed a woman by name of Nancy here , who said that she had accumulated some 100 plus feeders . Well I hope that we can have some serious discussion on nectar feeders. I too have some 100 plus. My first test for a feeder here is bee resistance and if it does not pass that test , the feeder proceeds to storage. Then I look at ease of cleaning ........

I have also been looking at waterers , bird baths, drippers and misters if you would enjoy hearing about what I have learned.

Also have been developing an interest in Aeolian music/instruments.

Well I will wrap it up for now, looking forward to some good discussion.
Hi Doug,

to The Hummingbird Forum. It is a great site and members are so knowledgeable, helpful, and friendly. My husband Michael and I live in Madison, Wisconsin, which is pretty much the direct opposite of your climate and habitat. But, we have traveled a lot in Arizona, especially around the Phoenix area, so we understand what you are dealing with.

You certainly have your challenges there, but your opportunities to attract hummingbirds are certainly many. Maybe growing some hummingbird favorite plants in pots in shady areas might be helpful. Of course feeders are a must, but they will get bleached out by the Arizona sun fast and nectar would have to changed daily during your hottest periods. Anyhow, I'm sure you know all of this.

Fascinating to read about what you have done on your property. Those cacti and yucca are so stunning---wish we could grow those!! Best of luck to you in your wildlife journey!!

Madison, WI
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December 5th, 2016, 2:20 pm #8


I see where Bob our benefactor and host here , asked that new members introduce myself. My name is Doug Loney aka lonediver, aka desert rat. My wife (Julie) and I reside in the Sonoran desert of ARIDzona south of Phoenix. We moved here some 12 - 13 years ago and it was my aspiration to create a wildlife habitat . The 4 acres that we have is reclaimed farmland . So it was rather barren . The wife told me to turn it green , that she did not want bare dirt . So some 12 years later I am still in the process of turning it green .

(Do you have any idea of how hard that is to do in the desert in a drought! )

For the last 5 - 6 years we have been averaging 3 to 4 inches of ..... rain I think it is called. Been so long I don't remember.

Anyhow some 150 trees plus innumerable shrubs, cactus, succulents and so on later, the wife crys about how much I have spent . To which I reply that I am only doing what I was instructed back 12 plus years ago . I'm still turning it green .

Want to see how I have done ?

http://desertratstudio.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvbIn48WrqM

http://aziba.org/?page_id=1096


Along the way I have gotten involved in a few projects and orginizations . Another of my favorite birds are vultures , I consider them to be one of the most graceful birds in the sky . To watch a kettle of them mill in the sky is like watching a ballet to me. I will carry on more about vultures later but here is some of what I have been involved with about vultures;

http://sonoranjv.org/tracking-turkey-vu ... igrations/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress. ... t-odyssey/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress.com/2013/06/ (about a quarter of the way down the page)

http://archive.azcentral.com/travel/art ... clues.html



I have been some what active about wildlife gardening in the past at other forums;


http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... urrow.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... -help.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... tings.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... piles.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... eltoe.html



I have come across this The hummingbird forum before in the past, but the other day I was researching Garden Treasures hummingbird feeders and in the process found some discussion of them here . I have been studying nectar feeders for some 4 - 5 years and been somewhat disapointed at a lot of what is sold in the market place.

Here for some time we have been plagued with the africanized "killer bees" . I looked through a thread here entitled bees . Well I have more than a few stories to tell about dealing with bees. Pictures and videos of a lot of it . Most so called bee proof/resistant feeders sold out there, are not !

And then there are a number of feeders that are not labeled as bee resistant that are . I noticed a woman by name of Nancy here , who said that she had accumulated some 100 plus feeders . Well I hope that we can have some serious discussion on nectar feeders. I too have some 100 plus. My first test for a feeder here is bee resistance and if it does not pass that test , the feeder proceeds to storage. Then I look at ease of cleaning ........

I have also been looking at waterers , bird baths, drippers and misters if you would enjoy hearing about what I have learned.

Also have been developing an interest in Aeolian music/instruments.

Well I will wrap it up for now, looking forward to some good discussion.
That is a lot to digest but it is great that you are putting so much attention and effort into it. The restoration of old farmland in a desert situation can't be easy.

From an east coast perspective vulture conservation seems kind of funny. This is not say it isn't worthwhile. Around here vultures annually celebrate the invention of the automobile and hold Henry Ford in high esteem. The changes in vulture ranges have been profound. First Turkey Vulture worked its way north and in the past 40 years Black Vulture followed suit. Back in the early 1980s there were only a couple of places in New Jersey where Black Vulture could be found and now they have spread right into New England. Highways and an out of hand explosion in deer numbers have made the world a vulture feeding station.
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December 5th, 2016, 5:10 pm #9


I see where Bob our benefactor and host here , asked that new members introduce myself. My name is Doug Loney aka lonediver, aka desert rat. My wife (Julie) and I reside in the Sonoran desert of ARIDzona south of Phoenix. We moved here some 12 - 13 years ago and it was my aspiration to create a wildlife habitat . The 4 acres that we have is reclaimed farmland . So it was rather barren . The wife told me to turn it green , that she did not want bare dirt . So some 12 years later I am still in the process of turning it green .

(Do you have any idea of how hard that is to do in the desert in a drought! )

For the last 5 - 6 years we have been averaging 3 to 4 inches of ..... rain I think it is called. Been so long I don't remember.

Anyhow some 150 trees plus innumerable shrubs, cactus, succulents and so on later, the wife crys about how much I have spent . To which I reply that I am only doing what I was instructed back 12 plus years ago . I'm still turning it green .

Want to see how I have done ?

http://desertratstudio.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvbIn48WrqM

http://aziba.org/?page_id=1096


Along the way I have gotten involved in a few projects and orginizations . Another of my favorite birds are vultures , I consider them to be one of the most graceful birds in the sky . To watch a kettle of them mill in the sky is like watching a ballet to me. I will carry on more about vultures later but here is some of what I have been involved with about vultures;

http://sonoranjv.org/tracking-turkey-vu ... igrations/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress. ... t-odyssey/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress.com/2013/06/ (about a quarter of the way down the page)

http://archive.azcentral.com/travel/art ... clues.html



I have been some what active about wildlife gardening in the past at other forums;


http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... urrow.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... -help.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... tings.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... piles.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... eltoe.html



I have come across this The hummingbird forum before in the past, but the other day I was researching Garden Treasures hummingbird feeders and in the process found some discussion of them here . I have been studying nectar feeders for some 4 - 5 years and been somewhat disapointed at a lot of what is sold in the market place.

Here for some time we have been plagued with the africanized "killer bees" . I looked through a thread here entitled bees . Well I have more than a few stories to tell about dealing with bees. Pictures and videos of a lot of it . Most so called bee proof/resistant feeders sold out there, are not !

And then there are a number of feeders that are not labeled as bee resistant that are . I noticed a woman by name of Nancy here , who said that she had accumulated some 100 plus feeders . Well I hope that we can have some serious discussion on nectar feeders. I too have some 100 plus. My first test for a feeder here is bee resistance and if it does not pass that test , the feeder proceeds to storage. Then I look at ease of cleaning ........

I have also been looking at waterers , bird baths, drippers and misters if you would enjoy hearing about what I have learned.

Also have been developing an interest in Aeolian music/instruments.

Well I will wrap it up for now, looking forward to some good discussion.
I tell people that I have an affinity for vultures and often times I get a reaction of YUCK,WHY . They are such a despicable bird.


What they they do not know is what the world would be without them as a few places have found out. India, Pakistan and Nepal have. It ain't pretty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_vulture_crisis

99 to 97 % loss within a decade if you read the above link. What that did to alter their society. Changes to some time honored funerary rites, rise in anthrax, plague, rabies, feral dogs, The list goes on.

It ain't nice to muck with mother nature. (Seems to me that I remember a old television ad for mother nature margerine or some such, where "mother nature" zapped someone for mocking her)

Let's see, how else have vultures benefited mankind.

I KNOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you aware that the study of vultures contributed to the development of man being able to fly.

http://www.wright-house.com/wright-brot ... _Club.html

"Until a few months ago the name of Louis Pierre Mouillard was known to only a few deep students of aeronautics and to them he appeared as an elusive personality, a French student -- farmer -- poet -- who had lived in Egypt and had written a remarkable book upon bird flight. Of his life and the value of his work nothing definite was known. Two years ago, during the Heliopolis meet, somebody remembered that Mouillard had lived and died at Cairo and started an investigation, which ended with the finding of a boxful of papers of Mouillard in the cellars of the French Consulate, where they had been stored on the death of Mouillard. These papers were acquired by an officer of the Ligue Aerienne who undertook to edit them. From time to time since then the Ligue has advanced for Mouillard the claim of his having discovered the principle of wing warping. Because there were found among the Mouillard papers letters of Chanute showing that in their correspondence he and Mouillard had discussed the peculiarities of bird flight, and in particular a belief of Mouillard's that birds turn by creating a resistance at the tip of the wing upon the side toward which they wish to go, it has been sought to intimate that the principle of warping was revealed by Mouillard to Chanute, and by him was communicated to the Wrights These claims have never been advanced officially nor substantiated with proof. To clear this point for historical purposes, we asked the Wright brothers to define both Mouillard's place in history and the value of his contribution The following article by Wilbur Wright is made especially timely by the inaguration of a monument to Mouillard at Heliopolas, February 25, 1912. --EDITOR.

THE erection at Cario, Egypt, of a monument to L. P. Mouillard recalls attention to one of the greatest missionaries of the flying cause which the 19th century produced. Mouilard was a Frenchman who passed a large part of his life in Algeria and Egypt, where his attention was attracted by the wonderful soaring of vultures on fixed wings. His imagination was greatly excited by what he saw, and during the remainder of his life he was like a prophet crying in the wilderness, exhorting the world to repent of its unbelief in the possibility of human flight. In 1881 he published a book called "The Empire of the Air," which is one of the most remarkable pieces of aeronautical literature that has ever been published. In his introduction he says:"


Chew on that for a bit. Bogles the mind don't it !?!?!?

Movin' on .

Edward Abbey , respected environment writer was a strong admirer of vultures.

"Let us praise the noble turkey vulture: No one envies him; he harms nobody; and he contemplates our little world from a most serene and noble height."

"If my decomposing carcass nourishes the roots of a juniper tree or the wings of a vulture — that is immortality enough for me. And as much as anyone deserves."

Interesting article about Abbey, vultures;

http://www.bemidjipioneer.com/content/s ... stic-birds


It is said that Abbey desired to be reincarnated as a vulture, an aspiration that I have empathy with .

Now I have had a fair amount of expeirience at setting up vulture feeding stations, one I maintained for some 6 weeks.

Interesting would be a bit of a understatement.

I suppose that peoples revulsion toward vultures is the idea of them eating carrion. If you bothered to read some of the above you will have discovered why we need/desire vultures.

I chuckle at peoples revulsion, I really do. Peoples reaction of "Vultures, yuck" often times closing their eyes, stick out their tounges and shake a bit at the idea of those horrible vultures.

Then I think, are these people even worth talking to?

Maintaining the vulture feed station, I was going through some 2 to 6 hundred pounds of beef a day depending on availibility . That was a bit of a chore.

Acquiring it was one thing, preparing it was another, various logistical factors.

Consider that leather is tough, where does leather come from? Well the birds have difficulty at tearing through the hide of a fresh kill/death. Roadkill often has flesh incised, limbs torn etc. (Am I being too graphic?????)

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It is necessary that I leave just now. If some of you indicate interest I will continue this tale later.
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December 5th, 2016, 8:02 pm #10


I see where Bob our benefactor and host here , asked that new members introduce myself. My name is Doug Loney aka lonediver, aka desert rat. My wife (Julie) and I reside in the Sonoran desert of ARIDzona south of Phoenix. We moved here some 12 - 13 years ago and it was my aspiration to create a wildlife habitat . The 4 acres that we have is reclaimed farmland . So it was rather barren . The wife told me to turn it green , that she did not want bare dirt . So some 12 years later I am still in the process of turning it green .

(Do you have any idea of how hard that is to do in the desert in a drought! )

For the last 5 - 6 years we have been averaging 3 to 4 inches of ..... rain I think it is called. Been so long I don't remember.

Anyhow some 150 trees plus innumerable shrubs, cactus, succulents and so on later, the wife crys about how much I have spent . To which I reply that I am only doing what I was instructed back 12 plus years ago . I'm still turning it green .

Want to see how I have done ?

http://desertratstudio.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvbIn48WrqM

http://aziba.org/?page_id=1096


Along the way I have gotten involved in a few projects and orginizations . Another of my favorite birds are vultures , I consider them to be one of the most graceful birds in the sky . To watch a kettle of them mill in the sky is like watching a ballet to me. I will carry on more about vultures later but here is some of what I have been involved with about vultures;

http://sonoranjv.org/tracking-turkey-vu ... igrations/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress. ... t-odyssey/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress.com/2013/06/ (about a quarter of the way down the page)

http://archive.azcentral.com/travel/art ... clues.html



I have been some what active about wildlife gardening in the past at other forums;


http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... urrow.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... -help.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... tings.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... piles.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... eltoe.html



I have come across this The hummingbird forum before in the past, but the other day I was researching Garden Treasures hummingbird feeders and in the process found some discussion of them here . I have been studying nectar feeders for some 4 - 5 years and been somewhat disapointed at a lot of what is sold in the market place.

Here for some time we have been plagued with the africanized "killer bees" . I looked through a thread here entitled bees . Well I have more than a few stories to tell about dealing with bees. Pictures and videos of a lot of it . Most so called bee proof/resistant feeders sold out there, are not !

And then there are a number of feeders that are not labeled as bee resistant that are . I noticed a woman by name of Nancy here , who said that she had accumulated some 100 plus feeders . Well I hope that we can have some serious discussion on nectar feeders. I too have some 100 plus. My first test for a feeder here is bee resistance and if it does not pass that test , the feeder proceeds to storage. Then I look at ease of cleaning ........

I have also been looking at waterers , bird baths, drippers and misters if you would enjoy hearing about what I have learned.

Also have been developing an interest in Aeolian music/instruments.

Well I will wrap it up for now, looking forward to some good discussion.
You will get no yuck from me. There used to be an old woman who lived in an old Victorian house down a long lane in Princeton NJ, can't remember her name. She loved vultures and would go to the local butchers for scraps a few times a week. Locals thought it looked spooky with all the vultures perched in the trees lining her lane. Some neighbors complained to whom she lent a deaf ear - old rich ladies can do that. It is not as if vultures are the only ones to see the value in carrion, ask an eagle or a red-tail or a Carolina chickadee or a tufted titmouse. I suppose in the warm season a hummingbird might not be apposed shagging gnats above a carcass.
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December 6th, 2016, 2:07 am #11


I see where Bob our benefactor and host here , asked that new members introduce myself. My name is Doug Loney aka lonediver, aka desert rat. My wife (Julie) and I reside in the Sonoran desert of ARIDzona south of Phoenix. We moved here some 12 - 13 years ago and it was my aspiration to create a wildlife habitat . The 4 acres that we have is reclaimed farmland . So it was rather barren . The wife told me to turn it green , that she did not want bare dirt . So some 12 years later I am still in the process of turning it green .

(Do you have any idea of how hard that is to do in the desert in a drought! )

For the last 5 - 6 years we have been averaging 3 to 4 inches of ..... rain I think it is called. Been so long I don't remember.

Anyhow some 150 trees plus innumerable shrubs, cactus, succulents and so on later, the wife crys about how much I have spent . To which I reply that I am only doing what I was instructed back 12 plus years ago . I'm still turning it green .

Want to see how I have done ?

http://desertratstudio.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvbIn48WrqM

http://aziba.org/?page_id=1096


Along the way I have gotten involved in a few projects and orginizations . Another of my favorite birds are vultures , I consider them to be one of the most graceful birds in the sky . To watch a kettle of them mill in the sky is like watching a ballet to me. I will carry on more about vultures later but here is some of what I have been involved with about vultures;

http://sonoranjv.org/tracking-turkey-vu ... igrations/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress. ... t-odyssey/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress.com/2013/06/ (about a quarter of the way down the page)

http://archive.azcentral.com/travel/art ... clues.html



I have been some what active about wildlife gardening in the past at other forums;


http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... urrow.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... -help.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... tings.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... piles.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... eltoe.html



I have come across this The hummingbird forum before in the past, but the other day I was researching Garden Treasures hummingbird feeders and in the process found some discussion of them here . I have been studying nectar feeders for some 4 - 5 years and been somewhat disapointed at a lot of what is sold in the market place.

Here for some time we have been plagued with the africanized "killer bees" . I looked through a thread here entitled bees . Well I have more than a few stories to tell about dealing with bees. Pictures and videos of a lot of it . Most so called bee proof/resistant feeders sold out there, are not !

And then there are a number of feeders that are not labeled as bee resistant that are . I noticed a woman by name of Nancy here , who said that she had accumulated some 100 plus feeders . Well I hope that we can have some serious discussion on nectar feeders. I too have some 100 plus. My first test for a feeder here is bee resistance and if it does not pass that test , the feeder proceeds to storage. Then I look at ease of cleaning ........

I have also been looking at waterers , bird baths, drippers and misters if you would enjoy hearing about what I have learned.

Also have been developing an interest in Aeolian music/instruments.

Well I will wrap it up for now, looking forward to some good discussion.
Hey Doug,
Nothing wrong with being a vulture lover. The town of Hinckley, Ohio celebrates Buzzard Day every March 15 when the turkey buzzards return to roost. Next year will be the 50th anniversary of Buzzard Day I went there once and it's quite a sight. Here's a few links.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hinckley ... 9929786718

https://cecilynabors.com/2015/03/05/the ... re-coming/


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December 6th, 2016, 6:22 pm #12


I see where Bob our benefactor and host here , asked that new members introduce myself. My name is Doug Loney aka lonediver, aka desert rat. My wife (Julie) and I reside in the Sonoran desert of ARIDzona south of Phoenix. We moved here some 12 - 13 years ago and it was my aspiration to create a wildlife habitat . The 4 acres that we have is reclaimed farmland . So it was rather barren . The wife told me to turn it green , that she did not want bare dirt . So some 12 years later I am still in the process of turning it green .

(Do you have any idea of how hard that is to do in the desert in a drought! )

For the last 5 - 6 years we have been averaging 3 to 4 inches of ..... rain I think it is called. Been so long I don't remember.

Anyhow some 150 trees plus innumerable shrubs, cactus, succulents and so on later, the wife crys about how much I have spent . To which I reply that I am only doing what I was instructed back 12 plus years ago . I'm still turning it green .

Want to see how I have done ?

http://desertratstudio.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvbIn48WrqM

http://aziba.org/?page_id=1096


Along the way I have gotten involved in a few projects and orginizations . Another of my favorite birds are vultures , I consider them to be one of the most graceful birds in the sky . To watch a kettle of them mill in the sky is like watching a ballet to me. I will carry on more about vultures later but here is some of what I have been involved with about vultures;

http://sonoranjv.org/tracking-turkey-vu ... igrations/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress. ... t-odyssey/

https://thevulturechronicles.wordpress.com/2013/06/ (about a quarter of the way down the page)

http://archive.azcentral.com/travel/art ... clues.html



I have been some what active about wildlife gardening in the past at other forums;


http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... urrow.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... -help.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... tings.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... bitat.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... piles.html

http://www.wildlifegardeners.org/forum/ ... eltoe.html



I have come across this The hummingbird forum before in the past, but the other day I was researching Garden Treasures hummingbird feeders and in the process found some discussion of them here . I have been studying nectar feeders for some 4 - 5 years and been somewhat disapointed at a lot of what is sold in the market place.

Here for some time we have been plagued with the africanized "killer bees" . I looked through a thread here entitled bees . Well I have more than a few stories to tell about dealing with bees. Pictures and videos of a lot of it . Most so called bee proof/resistant feeders sold out there, are not !

And then there are a number of feeders that are not labeled as bee resistant that are . I noticed a woman by name of Nancy here , who said that she had accumulated some 100 plus feeders . Well I hope that we can have some serious discussion on nectar feeders. I too have some 100 plus. My first test for a feeder here is bee resistance and if it does not pass that test , the feeder proceeds to storage. Then I look at ease of cleaning ........

I have also been looking at waterers , bird baths, drippers and misters if you would enjoy hearing about what I have learned.

Also have been developing an interest in Aeolian music/instruments.

Well I will wrap it up for now, looking forward to some good discussion.
All birds are valuable. Some people hate crows, but I love them and think they are very intelligent birds. Vultures do what other birds are unwilling to do.
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