Holy Cow...Way to many gaurantica plants

Joined: October 5th, 2014, 6:34 pm

November 19th, 2016, 2:28 pm #1

Holy shit and yes I swore, I have waaaaay to many salvia gaurantica
in my gardens, I keep volunteers and move them and now I
am up to 56 plants!!! 11 of them new plants this year
and there is actually 12 new plants one I was just gonna let go.
(I may just put a dome filled with dirt on it to see if it will
make it thru the winter)
I am only placing 2 bags of leaves on each plant, I remember back
when I did 5 bags but that is just to much work. I have been collecting leaves
since the last 2 weeks of Oct so that it is not so hard. I gathered a ton from
my neighbor who knows I need them and it benefits him cause I clean them up.
I need 40 more bags of leaves aaaarrrgghhhhh and thankfully I think I may
finally be able to collect them but not today waaaay to windy.
I just have to pray they all make it thru the winter for me after all this work
who knows what kind of winter we will have this year!!
Cathy P
Downers Grove, IL
Zone 5
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November 19th, 2016, 7:00 pm #2

Cathy, I use one jumbo bag of leaves and nine standard bags just for my one 'argentina skies'. For the two 'blue ensign' I just dump out a jumbo bag onto them and throw a tarp over them. Back when I first started experimenting with covering plants with leaf bags, I collected 30+ bags. I decided it wasn't worth all that work, so I stop at eleven now.
Dan
East-central Iowa
Zone 5a
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November 21st, 2016, 3:42 pm #3

Holy shit and yes I swore, I have waaaaay to many salvia gaurantica
in my gardens, I keep volunteers and move them and now I
am up to 56 plants!!! 11 of them new plants this year
and there is actually 12 new plants one I was just gonna let go.
(I may just put a dome filled with dirt on it to see if it will
make it thru the winter)
I am only placing 2 bags of leaves on each plant, I remember back
when I did 5 bags but that is just to much work. I have been collecting leaves
since the last 2 weeks of Oct so that it is not so hard. I gathered a ton from
my neighbor who knows I need them and it benefits him cause I clean them up.
I need 40 more bags of leaves aaaarrrgghhhhh and thankfully I think I may
finally be able to collect them but not today waaaay to windy.
I just have to pray they all make it thru the winter for me after all this work
who knows what kind of winter we will have this year!!
Dan how many Argentina Skies do you have?
You said you use one jumbo and nine bags?
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I started with tarps and many more bags,
I now cover the crown with a clear garbage bag to
keep my crown dry over the winter and during the spring
rains and the clear bag also helps with allowing
sunlight on the crown once I remove the black bags. I then switch
over to the domes to keep them dry and speed up growth since
the dome warms the ground up. I was going to
try one bag and shove a dome over it to eliminate the need for
the second bag the problem is some of my crowns are huge and
I know parts of it die cause I can't cover the whole thing. I
may actually try the one bag with leaves shoved into a dome next
year I filled my bags up to much this year to do that and since they
are done I am not gonna start emptying them. I think covering the crown
with plastic, the leaves and the some will def keep the roots warmer
since the black plastic attracts heat and the dome also generates heat.
You seem to be colder then I am but do you remain colder then me thru
the winter? We have had such mild winters I am afraid we are going to
get slammed and we will get a winter we use to have with lots of cold,
below zero windchills and more snow which the snow is a good thing. I am
so afraid of losing them all and my hummers love these plants the best.
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I still have 40 more bags to go
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Cathy P
Downers Grove, IL
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Joined: July 18th, 2009, 3:58 am

November 21st, 2016, 7:46 pm #4

Holy shit and yes I swore, I have waaaaay to many salvia gaurantica
in my gardens, I keep volunteers and move them and now I
am up to 56 plants!!! 11 of them new plants this year
and there is actually 12 new plants one I was just gonna let go.
(I may just put a dome filled with dirt on it to see if it will
make it thru the winter)
I am only placing 2 bags of leaves on each plant, I remember back
when I did 5 bags but that is just to much work. I have been collecting leaves
since the last 2 weeks of Oct so that it is not so hard. I gathered a ton from
my neighbor who knows I need them and it benefits him cause I clean them up.
I need 40 more bags of leaves aaaarrrgghhhhh and thankfully I think I may
finally be able to collect them but not today waaaay to windy.
I just have to pray they all make it thru the winter for me after all this work
who knows what kind of winter we will have this year!!
Cathy, I use the nine bags just for one 'argentina skies'. I place the jumbo bag, side down, over the crown, then place seven standard size bags upright around the jumbo bag, then place two more standard bags side down in the middle so I get a nice rounded mound of bags. I throw the tarp over the mound and weigh the edges down with rocks and bricks. It's probably overkill, but it has kept this plant going for several years.

Our winters are about the same.
Dan
East-central Iowa
Zone 5a
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November 21st, 2016, 8:28 pm #5

Holy shit and yes I swore, I have waaaaay to many salvia gaurantica
in my gardens, I keep volunteers and move them and now I
am up to 56 plants!!! 11 of them new plants this year
and there is actually 12 new plants one I was just gonna let go.
(I may just put a dome filled with dirt on it to see if it will
make it thru the winter)
I am only placing 2 bags of leaves on each plant, I remember back
when I did 5 bags but that is just to much work. I have been collecting leaves
since the last 2 weeks of Oct so that it is not so hard. I gathered a ton from
my neighbor who knows I need them and it benefits him cause I clean them up.
I need 40 more bags of leaves aaaarrrgghhhhh and thankfully I think I may
finally be able to collect them but not today waaaay to windy.
I just have to pray they all make it thru the winter for me after all this work
who knows what kind of winter we will have this year!!
Overkill, not really. You are colder than me so I don't go to such lengths but for some plants I should. I wonder if I would have better luck overwintering David Verity and Amistad in the ground if the bags were piled deeper. Usually it is less than 50% return on the both of them and in the case of Amistad it really matters.

I am so sore from doing 40 bags on Saturday I can barely move today. After Thanksgiving it will be back out for 40 more. Yikes!
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November 23rd, 2016, 2:42 pm #6

Holy shit and yes I swore, I have waaaaay to many salvia gaurantica
in my gardens, I keep volunteers and move them and now I
am up to 56 plants!!! 11 of them new plants this year
and there is actually 12 new plants one I was just gonna let go.
(I may just put a dome filled with dirt on it to see if it will
make it thru the winter)
I am only placing 2 bags of leaves on each plant, I remember back
when I did 5 bags but that is just to much work. I have been collecting leaves
since the last 2 weeks of Oct so that it is not so hard. I gathered a ton from
my neighbor who knows I need them and it benefits him cause I clean them up.
I need 40 more bags of leaves aaaarrrgghhhhh and thankfully I think I may
finally be able to collect them but not today waaaay to windy.
I just have to pray they all make it thru the winter for me after all this work
who knows what kind of winter we will have this year!!
Dan,
Okay I thought maybe you were using 1 bag on each plant I thought wow I am doing to much if you
can get away with that since your as cold as me or maybe colder.
This is what I have done last couple of years with luck and my plants have gotten larger every year. The first few years it was many many bags on top and slowly went down to 2 bags. This is what I covered all the other plants with.
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After reading your post I thought if he can I can get away with less... Ah well I misunderstood. 13 of my plants I decided to experiment and these plants have made it thru 5 winters already, I sure hope they make it thru this winter as I love their location, I can only hope for lots of snow but milder temps. I still covered the crown to keep it dry, I still used 1 black bags really stuffed with leaves to generate heat and the bag is surrounded by a dome. The dome does cover the crown but there are runners that will probale perish, the domes appear to generate heat when sunny out. I have done this in the past with success on one plant here and there as an experiment a couple times and the plant did make it but always worried and figured that winter was mild. I am really rethinking this but it is kinda to late and it needs to be decided on ayways I guess. These plants are very estabished and have overwintered many winters so the root system is much bigger. I noticed most of the big root and tubers are basically right under the crown so the dome should cover that. The rest of the garden is the 2 bag method and I am letting 3 plants perish over the winter unless I decide once it warms up a tad next week to go out and dig them up but they probable do not have a tuber formed and since they have been hit by frost they may truely already be gonners.
I just hope I didn't make a mistake I just loved how they grew in these locations I did this in.. This was much easier for me to do tho and now I am done for the season...back breaking work
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Cathy P
Downers Grove, IL
Zone 5
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