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Holder Magic

Luffy1045
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Joined: January 31st, 2010, 8:51 pm

March 5th, 2018, 4:50 pm #1

Hey guys! Quick question for you all.

It's concerning Holder Magic and the weapons you possess.

Let's say I have a weapon I want to make that can take three forms (Bo Staff, Sword & Shield, Bow). Could my Holder magic apply all three? Obviously a technique for the bo staff would not apply to the bow, etc.
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  • Endurance: 100
  • Toughness: 100
  • Speed: 118
  • Accuracy: 110
  • Magic: 120(300)[3]


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Class: A
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  • Strength: 17
  • Accuracy: 17
  • Stamina: 17
  • Speed: 17
  • Magic: 30(30)


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Tenken
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March 5th, 2018, 10:18 pm #2

Sounds like you're trying to cheat around the Holder rules to me...
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Endurance: 131
Toughness: 130
Speed: 124
Accuracy: 124
Magic: 120 (300) [OP 3]
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Accuracy: 25
Stamina: 30
Speed: 25
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Luffy1045
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Joined: January 31st, 2010, 8:51 pm

March 12th, 2018, 2:45 pm #3

What do you mean?
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Lu Ten
Info: wrote: Stats - 838
  • Power: 110
  • Endurance: 100
  • Toughness: 100
  • Speed: 118
  • Accuracy: 110
  • Magic: 120(300)[3]


Guild: ???
Class: A
Magic: King's Armoury
Rank: 10 [3]
SP Earned: 783
Arc Points Earned: 12/12
Jewels: 29,645,000
Speech Color: #0000ff
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Li Fáng
Info: wrote: Stats - 115
  • Strength: 17
  • Accuracy: 17
  • Stamina: 17
  • Speed: 17
  • Magic: 30(30)


Guild: Sabertooth
Class: D
Magic: Iron Will (Starter Magic)
Rank: 4
SP Earned: 60
Arc Points Earned: 0/0
Jewels: 14,700,000
Speech Color: #a7a7a7

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Mazohyst
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Joined: June 8th, 2010, 9:59 am

March 12th, 2018, 8:05 pm #4

He means that, functionally, having a weapon that can take 3 forms like that and having your holder magic apply to all three is similar in nature to having three holder items which is why he's saying you're trying to cheat around holder rules.

I'll posit further and say that having a holder item with three radically different forms like that probably wouldn't be acceptable. The forms are just too different. Even if it's one item in a physical sense, it's undeniably three items in a practical sense. If you were to say have a Bo Staff that splits up into nunchucks or a three sectioned staff or a sword that splits into a chainsword or into two swords, that might be more applicable, however.
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Hyphen
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Joined: April 5th, 2011, 1:09 pm

March 13th, 2018, 3:23 pm #5

You could have three T3 Holders. Would be horrible "theme"-economy though. You could opt for healing or whatever instead.
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Braver wrote:

-You get this nice badge for being creative, wear it with pride-
linkrulesx10 wrote:You are doing it to try to exploit a rule that is designed to help single summoners when they get beaten, not a loophole for free healing.
Zeneus wrote:Hyphen, understand that no matter what kind of loopholes you find, there is no way a mod will approve that, even if it's 'technically' allowed.















Tenken wrote:You just got Hyphen'd.
Dycho wrote:I'm guessing mentioning this is to fix this problem no? As is obviously flawed if rank 1 allows immunity to anything rank 10.
Vilis wrote:Where the heck did you come up with a bonus of 5%? Hyphen, you disappoint me. I thought you of all people knew the rules inside-out. Your bonus for 50SP earned is 10%.











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