Rankings update

Rankings update

MJC
MJC

September 17th, 2009, 2:20 am #1

Just a quick note that the GWN Challenge results have been added to the rankings:
http://www.mofosdragonboat.com/Rankings ... sIndex.php

All 500m races including industry cups were factored in to the rankings. Remember, the ranking uses adjusted race times but you can always see your team's unadjusted race times in the race archive section.

We will add one more regatta (the Quebec Cup) before calling it a wrap for 2009. Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions, and pointed out problems. Please keep them coming. Special thanks to Sara for getting the idea off the ground and helping with the website, Peter for helping with the data, and Power Demon for laying out the framework. We plan to keep the ball rolling in 2010.



-Matt
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September 17th, 2009, 2:31 am #2

Great job MJC with the rankings!
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September 17th, 2009, 2:52 am #3

Just a quick note that the GWN Challenge results have been added to the rankings:
http://www.mofosdragonboat.com/Rankings ... sIndex.php

All 500m races including industry cups were factored in to the rankings. Remember, the ranking uses adjusted race times but you can always see your team's unadjusted race times in the race archive section.

We will add one more regatta (the Quebec Cup) before calling it a wrap for 2009. Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions, and pointed out problems. Please keep them coming. Special thanks to Sara for getting the idea off the ground and helping with the website, Peter for helping with the data, and Power Demon for laying out the framework. We plan to keep the ball rolling in 2010.



-Matt
Why are the industry cup races included...since only a small percentage of teams participated in those? I don't think that they should be included...just my opinion.
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September 17th, 2009, 3:03 am #4

Just a quick note that the GWN Challenge results have been added to the rankings:
http://www.mofosdragonboat.com/Rankings ... sIndex.php

All 500m races including industry cups were factored in to the rankings. Remember, the ranking uses adjusted race times but you can always see your team's unadjusted race times in the race archive section.

We will add one more regatta (the Quebec Cup) before calling it a wrap for 2009. Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions, and pointed out problems. Please keep them coming. Special thanks to Sara for getting the idea off the ground and helping with the website, Peter for helping with the data, and Power Demon for laying out the framework. We plan to keep the ball rolling in 2010.



-Matt
So the Mofos would be ranked higher perhaps?
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September 17th, 2009, 3:29 am #5

Just a quick note that the GWN Challenge results have been added to the rankings:
http://www.mofosdragonboat.com/Rankings ... sIndex.php

All 500m races including industry cups were factored in to the rankings. Remember, the ranking uses adjusted race times but you can always see your team's unadjusted race times in the race archive section.

We will add one more regatta (the Quebec Cup) before calling it a wrap for 2009. Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions, and pointed out problems. Please keep them coming. Special thanks to Sara for getting the idea off the ground and helping with the website, Peter for helping with the data, and Power Demon for laying out the framework. We plan to keep the ball rolling in 2010.



-Matt
great work MJC, keep it up looking forward to next year
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September 17th, 2009, 12:23 pm #6

Just a quick note that the GWN Challenge results have been added to the rankings:
http://www.mofosdragonboat.com/Rankings ... sIndex.php

All 500m races including industry cups were factored in to the rankings. Remember, the ranking uses adjusted race times but you can always see your team's unadjusted race times in the race archive section.

We will add one more regatta (the Quebec Cup) before calling it a wrap for 2009. Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions, and pointed out problems. Please keep them coming. Special thanks to Sara for getting the idea off the ground and helping with the website, Peter for helping with the data, and Power Demon for laying out the framework. We plan to keep the ball rolling in 2010.



-Matt
Love the rankings, but I agree that challenge cups should not be included. The reason being that our team only races these for the win, and not for time, so we take the foot off the gas when the lead is enough to be certain. Other teams may do the same, which would make them appear slower than they really are.

Also, GWN this year had incredible wind variations. It went from light headwind, to strong headwind, to strong tailwind. The same teams were logging anywhere from 2:02-2:04's in the first heat on Saturday morning only to see times go up to 2:07-2:11 in the afternoon, and then back down to 2:00's again on Sunday (even sub 2:00 in Hydro's case).

I'm not saying you should throw the results out completely...but how can you include them when they vary so wildly?
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September 17th, 2009, 12:52 pm #7

Just a quick note that the GWN Challenge results have been added to the rankings:
http://www.mofosdragonboat.com/Rankings ... sIndex.php

All 500m races including industry cups were factored in to the rankings. Remember, the ranking uses adjusted race times but you can always see your team's unadjusted race times in the race archive section.

We will add one more regatta (the Quebec Cup) before calling it a wrap for 2009. Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions, and pointed out problems. Please keep them coming. Special thanks to Sara for getting the idea off the ground and helping with the website, Peter for helping with the data, and Power Demon for laying out the framework. We plan to keep the ball rolling in 2010.



-Matt
"I'm not saying you should throw the results out completely...but how can you include them when they vary so wildly?"

It all comes out in the wash - so what if GWN scews your ranking time by like 0.2 of a second.

Most teams have logged at least 10+ races this year and sometimes you get the faster lane some times the slower. At the end of the day the rankings will give a good rough approximation of where your team fits in - and if in doubt you can even use the Mofos race comparison tool to see if you tended to beat the crews ahead of you head to head.
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September 17th, 2009, 1:02 pm #8

Just a quick note that the GWN Challenge results have been added to the rankings:
http://www.mofosdragonboat.com/Rankings ... sIndex.php

All 500m races including industry cups were factored in to the rankings. Remember, the ranking uses adjusted race times but you can always see your team's unadjusted race times in the race archive section.

We will add one more regatta (the Quebec Cup) before calling it a wrap for 2009. Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions, and pointed out problems. Please keep them coming. Special thanks to Sara for getting the idea off the ground and helping with the website, Peter for helping with the data, and Power Demon for laying out the framework. We plan to keep the ball rolling in 2010.



-Matt
Is that for teams that competed at GWN their times would have been overly inflated by Saturday afternoons big headwind, relative to teams that did not compete at GWN. You could make a similar, but less strong argument about Sunday afternoons times being too fast, but the effect was much less noticable.

I'm not worried about my own teams ranking. A quick check shows me it didn't move anyhow, but even so that's not the point.

Consensus on Saturday was that afternoon times were about +4 to +6 seconds slower. That's a HUGE variation. Could it be smoothed down?
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September 17th, 2009, 1:14 pm #9

Just a quick note that the GWN Challenge results have been added to the rankings:
http://www.mofosdragonboat.com/Rankings ... sIndex.php

All 500m races including industry cups were factored in to the rankings. Remember, the ranking uses adjusted race times but you can always see your team's unadjusted race times in the race archive section.

We will add one more regatta (the Quebec Cup) before calling it a wrap for 2009. Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions, and pointed out problems. Please keep them coming. Special thanks to Sara for getting the idea off the ground and helping with the website, Peter for helping with the data, and Power Demon for laying out the framework. We plan to keep the ball rolling in 2010.



-Matt
He normalizes the data. Read the methodology.
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September 17th, 2009, 2:35 pm #10

Just a quick note that the GWN Challenge results have been added to the rankings:
http://www.mofosdragonboat.com/Rankings ... sIndex.php

All 500m races including industry cups were factored in to the rankings. Remember, the ranking uses adjusted race times but you can always see your team's unadjusted race times in the race archive section.

We will add one more regatta (the Quebec Cup) before calling it a wrap for 2009. Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions, and pointed out problems. Please keep them coming. Special thanks to Sara for getting the idea off the ground and helping with the website, Peter for helping with the data, and Power Demon for laying out the framework. We plan to keep the ball rolling in 2010.



-Matt
Re: race to win vs. race for time

Shouldn't these be the same thing? I mean, if you have optimized your racing strategy for time, would you also not have optimized your chances of winning?

The only case where this is not true is if you're so far ahead of other teams in the race that you don't paddle as hard. But that rarely happens. And if a team does that, well, they deserve their rankings to be pulled down. I'm not accusing your team of doing that, of course.
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