## Uncialclock

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#119 is a very helpful synopsis!

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Your clocks illustrate the workings of dozenal more completely. I find both sets of clocks better without the bicia marks, as you explained, except in the rare instance when I need to see a precise division of the fastest hand's movement between numerals. (My clock is also available as an app for iPhones and Apple's tablets, with a timer function.)

The clock of mine you refer to does not do phases, correct. The wristwatch, which is digital with no analog-like hands turning, does do phases, shifts, and "semi-shifts," which you may have another name for (a watch?). So the wristwatch handles all the divisions of a dozen:

1 diurnal (20z hours, a day)
2 semi-diurnal (10z hours)
3 shift; digits mark 0.4z day (8 hours), 0.04z day (0.8z hour, 40d minutes), 0.004z day (3.3d minutes), 0.0004z day (16.6d seconds)
4 phase (6 hours)
6 semi-shift; digits mark 0.2z day (4 hours), 0.02z day (0.4z hour, 20d minutes), 0.002z day (100d seconds), 0.0002z day (8.3d seconds)

You may start the day at, for example, 6 AM, or count the time in phases, or both. The start time and divisions are independent of one other; e.g. you may start the day at 6 AM (1 phase, a 1/4 day past midnight) and choose to divide it diurnally. One of these days I may use shifts more. They make sense. Inherently are they less useful than phases?

Have you considered adding shifts and semi-shifts to Uncial Clock Deluxe?

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Paul Rapoport wrote: The clock of mine you refer to does not do phases, correct. The wristwatch, which is digital with no analog-like hands turning, does do phases, shifts, and "semi-shifts," which you may have another name for (a watch?).
Yes, 4 hours, or 2 dwells, or a sixth of a day, is a "watch", on the strength of it being the length of a traditional Royal Navy watch (not counting the fact that one of these would be split into 2 "dog watches" of 1 dwell each). I think Oschkar worked out names for senary divisions of the day for his senary Ash-Ashtrian metrology, in which "watch" colloquialized the unsencia·day, "gong" the bisencia·day (40d minutes, a big brother to the "bell" of 30d minutes), and thereafter I'm shaky.

Paul Rapoport wrote: You may start the day at, for example, 6 AM, or count the time in phases, or both. The start time and divisions are independent of one other; e.g. you may start the day at 6 AM (1 phase, a 1/4 day past midnight) and choose to divide it diurnally.
UCD also has a Day Start Option on the Configuration dialog that lets you select from Midnight, Sunrise, Noon, Sunset.  All three clocks do a gradient fill in their central core to indicate what the sky will do during the current rotation of their pink hand. When you pick a start of Sunrise or Sunset, the Semidiurnal clock is smart enough to show the clock periods as "Lux" (daylight) vs "Nox" (nighttime), rather than "AM" vs. "PM".

The dialog also lets you pick an Orientation Option independently for each clock, indicating the cardinal direction of zero (Zero Up, Zero Right, Zero Down, Zero Left).

Paul Rapoport wrote: One of these days I may use shifts more. They make sense. Inherently are they less useful than phases?

Have you considered adding shifts and semi-shifts to Uncial Clock Deluxe?
I'm wondering what you mean by "using" these things.  Do you make the shift or the watch the period for the slowest hand, and then take dozenal divisions of that? For me to do that I'd need to add whole new clock faces, and supporting Clock Options, for a "Shift Clock" and a "Watch Clock", which would be rather an involved revision. The Configuration dialog would have to get correspondingly wider to accommodate. But it could be done.

Or do you just use one of your existing clock faces, and then mark off portions of the diurnal clock face to show the ranges of shifts or watches?  For instance, you mentioned that you colorize such ranges for phases on your UTC diurnal clock.  UCD does something sort of like that in that the diurnal clock displays the (abbreviated) names of the phases in their respective corners. But this is obviously not as fine-grained as your UTC clock, which needs half-dwell (or even quarter-dwell) granularity in the orientation of the phase indicators, in order to accommodate being in any time zone.
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Kodegadulo wrote:Do you make the shift or the watch the period for the slowest hand, and then take dozenal divisions of that?
Yes. In the phases, shifts, and watches on the wristwatch (which has numbers only), the first digit indicates the period of the day you are in in the first division (diurnal, semi-, etc.), starting with 0. After that, all divisions are by a dozen.

As for the UTC clocks, I don't say local time or refer to time zones, because there are neither. From the manual: "The colored arcs represent the phases of the local day: overnight, morning, afternoon, evening. On the A clocks they are stationary. On the B clocks they rotate."

The main question for me remains: is it useful to count time by shifts? With subsequent division by dozens, as you said. Is it less useful than by phases?

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Paul Rapoport wrote:The main question for me remains: is it useful to count time by shifts? With subsequent division by dozens, as you said. Is it less useful than by phases?
Well, to be honest, I think it's actually more useful to settle on one common way of measuring time and then map auxiliary periods onto that. For instance, I can see work shifts being scheduled in diurnal time at trice 000z, trice 400z, and trice 800z; or perhaps at something like trice 060z, 460z, and 860z, maybe with a quarter-dwell overlap on either side. Likewise, it's pretty clear on the diurnal clock that the phases of the day occur at the dozenal quarters: trice 000z, trice 300z, trice 600z, and trice 900z.

Frankly, my main purpose in conceiving of phasic time was simply as a thought experiment, an exercise in alternate history. Mostly as a foil for those trying to claim that there is some law of nature that determined that the two-dozen-hour day was inevitable, when it seems obvious to me that it was nothing more than a historical accident. What if the ancients didn't just divide the day at sunrise and sunset -- or is that noon and midnight? -- before making a dozenal division? What if they chose to divide the day at all four cardinal points, drawing on the analogy of the compass or the seasons? Then we would have a whole history of civilization exclusively using phasic clocks, instead of semi-diurnal ones. The fact that this is plausible, but just as arbitrary as our semi-diurnal history, helps make the case for dispensing with all such arbitrary complexities, and instead opt for the simplest scheme: make the turtles dozenal, all the way down. Isn't that the conceit of the Metric system (although with decimal as the base)?  Well the DSA founders did describe duor, temin, minette, etc. as part of their "Do-metric system", after all.

It's fun to be able to see what the world would be like if such historical accidents had happened differently, and compare and contrast different alternate worlds,  even perhaps ones where the shift or the watch was the major period, before going to dozens. Just as it's fun to see what life would be like if we used different bases, and had clocks in those bases. But I don't imagine people within a single culture would use all these different choices at once. At most, if neighboring cultures settled on different choices but still wanted to have commerce, you might want to consult foreign clocks along with your own, in order to help you translate. But perhaps you'd see a move to have everyone opt for a single standard internationally.
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Periodic Table of Divisions of the Day

Here's a roll-up of various dozenal-regular divisions of the day, arranged in columns sharing a common simple divisor, and rows sharing a common dozenal order of magnitude. For each, I list a colloquial name that has been suggested for it at one time or another on this forum, or if none has been proposed, I list possible derived colloquials taking advantage of one or more of the following Latinate prefixes: quadra· = 4, bina· = 2, semi· = 1/2, sesqui· = 3/2, bessi· = 2/3 (the latter derived from Latin bes = 2/3). I've marked the derived colloquials with a question mark to indicate that those divisions of the day are up for grabs if anyone can suggest more suitable nicknames for them.

Stock disclaimer: As always, these are suggestions only, not gospel.  They do reflect my own personal preferences, but there are others here who have found them acceptable, at least in some cases.  Many of these are my own unique coinages, but some are the result of collaboration with various members of the forum, where I accepted a suggestion that was much better than anything I could initially come up with. In some cases, there was prior mainstream support for a choice (e.g. shift, watch, vigil, bell). Some were borrowings from fictional sources (e.g. chime, lapse, pause, flicker), where they had been used for periods of time, but possibly different than my assignments here.

 1 1/2 1/3 1/4 1/6 1/8 nilcia day 1,000,000z·jiff 86,400d·second 42,000z·second 1,440d·minute ᘔ00z·minute 24d·hour 20z·hour clock 600,000z·jiff 43,200d·second 21,000z·second 720d·minute 500z·minute 12d·hour 10z·hour shift 400,000z·jiff 28,800d·second 14,800z·second 480d·minute 340z·minute 8·hour phase 300,000z·jiff 21,600d·second 10,600z·second 360d·minute 260z·minute 6·hour watch 200,000z·jiff 14,400d·second 8,400z·second 240d·minute 180z·minute 4·hour vigil 160,000z·jiff 10,800d·second 6,300z·second 180d·minute 130z·minute 3·hour uncia dwell 100,000z·jiff 7,200d·second 4,200z·second 120d·minute ᘔ0z·minute 2·hour hour 60,000z·jiff 3,600d·second 2,100z·second 60d·minute 50z·minute 1·hour gong 40,000z·jiff 2,400d·second 1,480z·second 40d·minute 34z·minute 2/3·hour bell 30,000z·jiff 1,800d·second 1,060z·second 30d·minute 26z·minute 1/2·hour chime 20,000z·jiff 1,200d·second 840z·second 20d·minute 18z·minute 1/3·hour segment 16,000z·jiff 900d·second 630z·second 15d·minute 13z·minute 1/4·hour bicia breather 10,000z·jiff 600d·second 420z·second 10d·minute ᘔ·minute block 6,000z·jiff 300d·second 210z·second 5·minute quadra·trice? bessi·block? 4,000z·jiff 200d·second 148z·second 3.3d·minute 3.4z·minute passage 3,000z·jiff 150d·second 106z·second 2.5d·minute 2.6z·minute bina·trice? bessi·passage? 2,000z·jiff 100d·second 84z·second 1.6d·minute 1.8z·minute sesqui·trice? semi·passage? 1,600z·jiff 75d·second 63z·second 1.25d·minute 1.3z·minute tricia trice 1,000z·jiff 50d·second 42z·second 5/6·minute lapse 600z·jiff 25d·second 21z·second quadra·lull? bessi·lapse? 400z·jiff 16.6d·second 14.8z·second verse 300z·jiff 12.5d·second 10.6z·second bina·lull? bessi·verse? 200z·jiff 8.3d·second 8.4z·second clip 160z·jiff 6.25d·second 6.3z·second quadcia lull 100z·jiff 4.16d·second 4.2z·second pause 60z·jiff 2.083d·second 2.1z·second quadra·twinkling? bessi·pause? 40z·jiff 1.38d·second 1.48z·second beat 30z·jiff 1.0416d·second 1.06z·second bina·twinkling? bessi·beat? 20z·jiff 0.694d·second 0.84z·second sequi·twinkling? semi·beat? 16z·jiff 0.52083d·second 0.63z·second pentcia twinkling 10z·jiff 0.3472d·second 0.42z·second tick (Tim) 6·jiff 0.17361d·second 0.21z·second quadra·jiff? bessi·twinkling? 4·jiff 0.115740d·second 0.148z·second flicker (⨁timel) 3·jiff 0.086805d·second 0.106z·second bina·jiff? bessi·flicker? 2·jiff 0.0578703d·second 0.084z·second sequi·jiff? semi·flicker? 1.6z·jiff 0.0434027d·second 0.063z·second hexcia jiff (′timel) 0.02893518d·second 0.042z·second

Note: You can think of the gong (forty minutes, 2/3 hour) as something of a big brother to the nautical bell (thirty minutes, 1/2 hour). Similarly the chime (twenty minutes, 1/3 hour) would be its little brother.

Note: A clip is about the length of a humorous video clip on Vines.   They're usually a lull-and-a-half ... or would that be a LOL-and-an-half?

Note: I did not include sixond for the bessi·beat because that word is a constructed portmanteau, and I am limiting the "colloquial" names in this table to ordinary English words that have been co-opted for these specific new meanings, based on some metaphorical association.  I did not include dogbite for it either because, on top of being effectively a portmanteau in disguise, it was meant as a joke.

Note: The ′timel (the Primel timel),  the Tim (the TGM timel), and the ⨁timel (the Phasic timel) are shown in parentheses for reference, but these are their "formal" names in those particular systems, not "colloquial" nicknames for them.  The generic word timel is an example of a quantitel, and all quantitels are by definition portmanteaus.  Tim, and all of Pendlebury's unit names (with perhaps the exception of the Gee and the Pi), are constructed words mutated from common words or Latin, following Pendlebury's particular style, and not ordinary English words.

A word about branding

I have left off any kind of brand mark designating these as units belonging to any particular metrology (such as Primel or TGM).  My view is that these names are, to a limited degree, "universal" to all such systems, with the proviso that any such system actually be predominantly dozenal, so that these divisions would constitute regular numbers in that metrology's base, yielding exact values for these periods as auxiliary units within the metrology.  In which case, it's fair game to brand any of these units with the symbol for any and every such metrology.  So for instance, 1 ′block = 1 ⊖block = 1 ⊕block = 5 minutes (i.e. a Primel block is the same thing as a TGM block and a Phasic block, and in every case is equivalent to five conventional minutes).  But if the context of discourse is limited to dozenal metrologies like these, then we can omit branding on all of these units, on the assumption that these units would be exactly the same for all of them.

In cases of metrologies in other bases, the situation gets a bit more complex.  In some cases, such as senary base, some units can continue to enjoy universal status.  For instance, the watch and gong would fit perfectly as the unsencia·day and bisencia·day in a senary metrology like Oschkar's Ash-Astrian (so ✶watch = ′watch, ✶gong = ′gong). But  for instance the trisencia·day (= 6.8z minute) doesn't match any of the above units.  In this case, Oschkar chose to call that the ✶block ≠ ′block.  I'm sanguine with recycling any of these words for a different sized unit, as long as it's a size that is relatively close, so that the same metaphor is still apt.  If this happens in a context where the discourse involves not just the senary metrology itself, but also one of the above dozenal ones, it becomes important to qualify any usage with an appropriate brand mark to avoid ambiguity.
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The trouble with my suggesting further terms is that yours are so good. There's a certain nature or character to the words you've come up with that makes it possible for me to react to them, maybe suggest something close after a reaction, but hard to come up with something on my own that would fit with what's already there. I won't give up completely, however.

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Paul Rapoport wrote: The trouble with my suggesting further terms is that yours are so good. There's a certain nature or character to the words you've come up with that makes it possible for me to react to them, maybe suggest something close after a reaction, but hard to come up with something on my own that would fit with what's already there. I won't give up completely, however.
Hey, it's been a challenge for me too, and continues to be. But you never know what you may come across. Double sharp's recent suggestion of vigil  (with actual historical provenance for that period of time) came as a pleasant surprise.
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Thank you! I continue to think on and off about possible names for the less dozenal-friendly fractions: so far I've only got the Chinese-derived drum for the undesciaday (one tenth of a day). So far we also have a full binary series that remains distinct for the sixteenth (a whiling) and the thirty-second (a serenade), at least.

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Double sharp wrote: Thank you! I continue to think on and off about possible names for the less dozenal-friendly fractions: so far I've only got the Chinese-derived drum for the undesciaday (one tenth of a day). So far we also have a full binary series that remains distinct for the sixteenth (a whiling) and the thirty-second (a serenade), at least.
It seems to me that the binary "pacing" you came up with is a fair approximation of a dozenal bina•twinkling or bessi•beat (which I recently lampooned as a "dogbite"). I suppose the dozenal unit could be called a prime•pacing, pendle•pacing, etc, as long as we take care to brand the binary approximant as a luo•pacing, shirushi•pacing, etc, when the two are mentioned in the same context.

My only question is, what allusion prompted you to suggest "pacing" for a period of that size?
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Kodegadulo wrote:My only question is, what allusion prompted you to suggest "pacing" for a period of that size?
I guess I can answer this myself: A rhythm period of 1 quadcia·watch = 20z ′timels = 0.84z second = 0.694d second corresponds to a rate of 0.06z ′frequenciel = 60z per trice = 1.44d hertz = 86.4d per minute. Looking at Basic musical tempo markings, this rate lies squarely in the range of andante tempo. That translates to "at a walking pace". So colloquializing this period as a pacing does seem apt.
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According to an article by Jeff Wise in NYMag from 2016d=1200z, What is the Speed of Thought?:
Jeff Wise wrote:Human thought takes time to form, and so the “right now” that we’re experiencing inside our skulls is always a little later than what’s going on in the outside world. It takes 500 milliseconds, or half a second, for sensory information from the outside world to be incorporated into conscious experience. So, in a sense, the future has already happened — we’re just not aware of it yet.
A half second is approximated by the quadcia·vigil or sesqui·twinkling = 16z ′timels = 0.63z second = 0.52083d second. One of the definitions of ken is "knowledge, understanding, or cognizance; mental perception". Another (from Scotch dialect) is "to understand or perceive (an idea or situation)".  So perhaps an apt colloquialism for this time period is 1 kenning, the time our brains need in order to process our sensory inputs and actually ken what is going on "right now".

(Note: This might get confused with the ′kenning·volume, the Primel analog for the kenning, an old English unit of volume equal to two pecks or half a bushel.  In which case, qualifying this specifically as a kenning·time or kenning·duration or kenning·period could avoid the ambiguity.)
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Google for the average length of a hit pop song and the immediate answer is about 3 and a half minutes.  This seems to be borne out by history, although it has varied over the last half biquennium, and you can find evidence that it has crept up from that in recent years.

Three-and-a-half minutes is approximated by the bicia·shift or quadra·trice = 4000z ′timels = 200d seconds = 148z seconds (or 3 minutes 20d seconds).  So calling this duration 1 song may be an apt colloquialism. (Or qualify it as 1 song·time, or 1 song·duration, etc.)

Kind of nice that a dozen songs would be one gong.
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Television advertisements, also know as "ad spots", are typically a quarter·minute, a half·minute, or a full·minute long.

The tricia·shift or quadra·lull (400z ′timels = 14.8z seconds = 16.6d seconds) approximates the quarter·minute. So it might work to colloquialize that as a spot (or spot·time, etc).

2 spot·times = 33.3d seconds would approximate the half·minute, and 4 spot·times = 66.6d seconds would approximate the full·minute.

So a dozen spots would equal 1 song, a gross would equal 1 gong, and a galore would equal 1 shift.
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Kodegadulo wrote:I guess I can answer this myself: A rhythm period of 1 quadcia·watch = 20z ′timels = 0.84z second = 0.694d second corresponds to a rate of 0.06z ′frequenciel = 60z per trice = 1.44d hertz = 86.4d per minute. Looking at Basic musical tempo markings, this rate lies squarely in the range of andante tempo. That translates to "at a walking pace". So colloquializing this period as a pacing does seem apt.
Looking a couple spaces to the left, 1 quadcia·shift or 1 quadra·twinkling (40z ′timels = 1.48z second = 1.38d second) corresponds to a rate of 0.03z ′frequenciel = 30z per trice = 0.72d hertz = 43.2d per minute. As a rhythm, that rate lies within the overlap between lento ("slow") and largo ("broad") tempi, so more somber and plodding than a walking pace.  So perhaps we can nickname this period 1 plodding, equal to 2 pacings (making the inverse, 1 plodding·rate, equal to half a pacing·rate).

So now a dozen ploddings equal one spot, a gross equal one song, a galore equal one gong, and a dozen galore equal one shift.
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According to the article Flapping Flight: A Look at Flight in Slow Motion, a Monarch butterfly "... flaps its wings 5 to 12 times per second..."   A period of 1 pentcia·shift or 1 quadra·jiff (4z ′timels = 0.148z second = 0.115740d second) corresponds to a rate of 0.3z ′frequenciel = 8.64d hertz, which is squarely within the butterfly-flapping range. Since this is a fine rate for a butterfly to ... flutter by, it seems apt to refer to this period of time colloquially as a flutter.

That makes a flutter a bit shorter than a tick (a TGM Tim) and a bit longer than a flicker.

It also means that a dozen flutters equal one plodding, a gross equal one spot, a galore equal one song, a dozen galore equal one gong, and a gross galore equal one shift.  And that completes that column of the Periodic Table of Divisions of the Day.
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Very creative, all that, and helpful. The only one I have an aversion to is song, and I'll bet I'm the only one. The reason has nothing to do with its derivation, but with the word's non-dozenal misuse. Because of the overwhelming presence of popular music, everything in the "classical" area is now a song. A movement of a string quartet is a song. A piano sonata is a song. All online albums have songs and only songs, maybe because a typical movement, symphony, oratorio, etc. has more depth and complexity than the typical pop song, and demands more than a small attention span.

Perhaps, in recognition of days gone by and the vinyl LP, when people could attend to something for a longer time without distractions, a period of between 20 and 22.5 minutes could be a side

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Kodegadulo
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According to the journal article Sound Bites: Rethinking the Circulation of Speech from Fragment to Fetish:
Megan Foley wrote:From the late 1960s to the late 1980s, the place of oratory in U.S. public culture was shrinking -- literally. In 1968, the average sound bite in presidential election news coverage was more than 43 seconds long. In 1972, it dropped to 25 seconds. In 1976, it was 18 seconds; in 1980, 12 seconds. In 1984, just 10 seconds. By the time the 1988 election season rolled around, the size of the average sound bite had been reduced to less than 9 seconds. Since then, the average sound bite has been yo-yoing between 9 and 7 seconds...
A period of 1 tricia·watch or 1 bina·lull (200z ′timels = 8.4z seconds = 8.3d seconds) fits nicely within this final range, so it might be apropos to nickname this period a bite, acknowledging how little time the American populace is really willing to devote to analyzing the rhetoric of their policy-makers these days.

That makes a bite half as long as a spot, but somewhat longer than a clip, which you might recall is 6.3z = 6.25d seconds, a tongue-in-cheek homage to Vine video clips.  Alas for the contemporary American attention-span...

I'm inclined to assign moment to the bicia·watch or bina·trice (2000z ′timels = 84z seconds = 100d seconds), and instant to the pentcia·watch or bina·jiff (2 ′timels = 0.084z second = 0.0578703d·second).  That fills out another column of the Periodic Table of Divisions of the Day: a dozen instants equal one pacing, a gross equal one bite, a galore equal one moment, a dozen galore equal one chime, and a gross galore equal one watch.
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At this point, the Periodic Table of Dozenal Divisions of the Day is almost entirely fleshed out (newest coinages in blue):

 1 1/2 1/3 1/4 1/6 1/8 nilcia day 1,000,000z·jiff 86,400d·second 42,000z·second 1,440d·minute ᘔ00z·minute 24d·hour 20z·hour clock 600,000z·jiff 43,200d·second 21,000z·second 720d·minute 500z·minute 12d·hour 10z·hour shift 400,000z·jiff 28,800d·second 14,800z·second 480d·minute 340z·minute 8·hour phase 300,000z·jiff 21,600d·second 10,600z·second 360d·minute 260z·minute 6·hour watch 200,000z·jiff 14,400d·second 8,400z·second 240d·minute 180z·minute 4·hour vigil 160,000z·jiff 10,800d·second 6,300z·second 180d·minute 130z·minute 3·hour uncia dwell 100,000z·jiff 7,200d·second 4,200z·second 120d·minute ᘔ0z·minute 2·hour hour 60,000z·jiff 3,600d·second 2,100z·second 60d·minute 50z·minute 1·hour gong 40,000z·jiff 2,400d·second 1,480z·second 40d·minute 34z·minute 2/3·hour bell 30,000z·jiff 1,800d·second 1,060z·second 30d·minute 26z·minute 1/2·hour chime 20,000z·jiff 1,200d·second 840z·second 20d·minute 18z·minute 1/3·hour segment 16,000z·jiff 900d·second 630z·second 15d·minute 13z·minute 1/4·hour bicia breather 10,000z·jiff 600d·second 420z·second 10d·minute ᘔ·minute block 6,000z·jiff 300d·second 210z·second 5·minute song 4,000z·jiff 200d·second 148z·second 3.3d·minute 3.4z·minute passage 3,000z·jiff 150d·second 106z·second 2.5d·minute 2.6z·minute moment 2,000z·jiff 100d·second 84z·second 1.6d·minute 1.8z·minute semi·passage 1,600z·jiff 75d·second 63z·second 1.25d·minute 1.3z·minute tricia trice 1,000z·jiff 50d·second 42z·second 5/6·minute lapse 600z·jiff 25d·second 21z·second spot 400z·jiff 16.6d·second 14.8z·second verse 300z·jiff 12.5d·second 10.6z·second bite 200z·jiff 8.3d·second 8.4z·second clip 160z·jiff 6.25d·second 6.3z·second quadcia lull 100z·jiff 4.16d·second 4.2z·second pause 60z·jiff 2.083d·second 2.1z·second plodding 40z·jiff 1.38d·second 1.48z·second beat 30z·jiff 1.0416d·second 1.06z·second pacing 20z·jiff 0.694d·second 0.84z·second kenning 16z·jiff 0.52083d·second 0.63z·second pentcia twinkling 10z·jiff 0.3472d·second 0.42z·second tick (Tim) 6·jiff 0.17361d·second 0.21z·second flutter 4·jiff 0.115740d·second 0.148z·second flicker (⨁timel) 3·jiff 0.086805d·second 0.106z·second instant 2·jiff 0.0578703d·second 0.084z·second semi·flicker 1.6z·jiff 0.0434027d·second 0.063z·second hexcia jiff (′timel) 0.02893518d·second 0.042z·second

All that's left to do is cook up something appropriate for the bicia·vigil and the pentcia·vigil.
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Paul Rapoport wrote: Because of the overwhelming presence of popular music, everything in the "classical" area is now a song. A movement of a string quartet is a song. A piano sonata is a song. All online albums have songs and only songs, maybe because a typical movement, symphony, oratorio, etc. has more depth and complexity than the typical pop song, and demands more than a small attention span.
I think a much better word to generalize these different kinds of musical compositions is piece.  A popular song is just one very specific kind of musical piece, but an overture, a sonata, a symphony, or an individual movement from any of those, or an opera, or an individual aria or recitative from one, or an etude, or a fugue, or a divertimento, or a fantasia, and so on and so forth, are all other kinds of musical pieces

It would be silly to use the name of one specific subclass as a descriptor for a broad superclass. Calling all these things a "song" would be as inapt as generalizing all sorts of motorized vehicles as "scooters", just because some unimaginative Citizen-Kane-like executive fondly recalls one of those as the first motorized anything they stepped onto when they were a pimply teen. If the recording companies are currently calling every kind of musical piece a "song", well, who cares? Why should we perpetuate their idiocracy?
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Not the recording companies, but Amazon, iTunes, etc., which make all kinds of music available. Also a distressing number of students.

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Kodegadulo wrote:
Kodegadulo wrote:My only question is, what allusion prompted you to suggest "pacing" for a period of that size?
I guess I can answer this myself: A rhythm period of 1 quadcia·watch = 20z ′timels = 0.84z second = 0.694d second corresponds to a rate of 0.06z ′frequenciel = 60z per trice = 1.44d hertz = 86.4d per minute. Looking at Basic musical tempo markings, this rate lies squarely in the range of andante tempo. That translates to "at a walking pace". So colloquializing this period as a pacing does seem apt.
Yes, that's what I was thinking of, as I stated at the Xing Metrology thread last year. Sorry for missing this; I haven't had much to say on the forums recently, though I have been dropping in to look every few days.

I like the new terms that have come up. I think it goes without saying that it should be possible to coopt the smaller ones with appropriate brand names to signify similar fractions that would make more sense in metrologies like Xing, Luo, Shirushi, or Fleur, since the original dozenal meanings would hardly be appropriate in an octal, hexadecimal, or tetradecimal world.

What I'm still having trouble with, however, is thinking of names for the large subdivisions. You can't really coopt anything up there: I almost think that at least up to one sixteenth of a day you need different names for each fraction. (I've also gotten rid of muhurta for 1/30 of a day, which just doesn't really fit as a direct borrowing from Sanskrit.) But by the same token, since the ones remaining are increasingly exotic primes, it's difficult to find existing colloquialisms and difficult to match them to commonly encountered durations (or maybe I just have not been thinking in the right direction). I think we can do without elevenths and thirteenths and suchlike, but I would still like 1/5, 1/7, 1/9, 1/15, 1/18, 1/20, 1/28, and 1/30 of a day to gain names that they don't have yet (which covers everything 3-smooth with at most a single copy of 5 or a single copy of 7).