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It's not very common at all. Other than on the internet, I don't think I've ever encountered anyone using it. I doubt more than a tiny minority realize (or care) it's the etymological origin of inch and ounce.Takashi @ Dec 4 2011, 02:03 AM wrote: uncia:
Google finds about 234,000 results for "great gross", about 1,110,000 results for "uncia".
How common is the word 'uncia'?
I agree that "uncia" is quite rare, but "great gross" is rarer. I've at least used "uncia" when studying Latin; I'd never heard anyone use "great gross" until I became a dozenalist, and even dozenalists don't commonly use it.m1n1f1g @ Dec 4 2011, 09:10 AM wrote:"uncia uncia" is the scientific name for the snow leopard, so that might add to the popularity. I have only heard of the word "uncia" on this board; it is certainly not a common word.
It's precisely because uncia is a Latin word, and not an English one, that it makes such a good dozenal-metric prefix, as the centerpiece of SDN. People have come to expect metric-like prefixes to be Greek or Latin based, given their experience with the SI prefixes.dgoodmaniii @ Dec 4 2011, 01:27 PM wrote:I agree that "uncia" is quite rare, but "great gross" is rarer. I've at least used "uncia" when studying Latin; I'd never heard anyone use "great gross" until I became a dozenalist, and even dozenalists don't commonly use it.m1n1f1g @ Dec 4 2011, 09:10 AM wrote:"uncia uncia" is the scientific name for the snow leopard, so that might add to the popularity. I have only heard of the word "uncia" on this board; it is certainly not a common word.
The word "dozen" comes to English from French "douzaine", which is derived from the French number "douze" = 12. This must be derived from the Latin "duodecim" = 12. So perhaps English "dozen" is indirectly Latin.Takashi @ Dec 10 2011, 02:39 AM wrote: 3. 'dozen' is not a word derived from Latin.
I could not find any word which satisfies all conditions.
At the present I choose 'dozen' rather than 'uncia'.
That word myllion is a completely uninspired, laughable proposal. If it hadn't happened to have been uttered by a renowned IT scientist, I doubt anybody would have taken it seriously. Choosing a differently-spelled (*) but homophonous word in an attempt to differentiate meaning must be the pinnacle of absurdity (iff vs. if is another such absurdity). Trying to introduce a phonetic distinction after-the-fact where there was not meant to be one (and where it cannot be one in other languages without the "long I" vs. "short I" particularity of English) is a poor amendment of a poor idea.Kodegadulo @ Nov 7 2011, 02:04 PM wrote:When I click on it, my Webroot security software blocks it as a suspicious site. However, I just noticed the caption at the bottom of the image indicating that the "y" has a long /aɪ/ sound rather than a short /ɪ/ sound. This is odd, because if the myllion system is based on myriad /'mɪ.rɪ.əd/ the "y" in the latter has a short /ɪ/ sound.Takashi @ Nov 7 2011, 12:22 PM wrote: Please click the table shown above.
How we do not change system is more important than how we change system.=Takashi @ Nov 27 2011, 06:24 AM wrote:1)
- Relatively important concepts are discriminated from each other more finely and named more finely.
- Relatively non important concepts are discriminated from each other more coarsely and named more coarsely.
In English common vocabulary, the words for positional representation of duodecimal numbering system
dozen : 12
gross : 12^2
great gross : 12^3
and some dictionaries describe great gross as dozen gross.
The duodecimal myriad system is almost only numbering system
which is comprised of a simple rule to satisfy policies 1),
and which is connectable to system 2) at the lower limit.
That's a different discussion, I would post it on something SDN-related. The SDN, as well as the myriad system, are as suitable for UUS as they are for TGM. If you believe that the SDN is unsuitable for the UUS, it is also unsuitable for TGM. Your criticism reflects this. I would write a counter-argument, but this is not the place for it.Takashi @ Dec 18 2011, 07:38 AM wrote:It is not suitable.Kodegadulo @ Dec 10 2011, 05:08 PM wrote:it is suitable for use with any metrological system.
For example, five hundred thousand meters and five handred kilometers are the same length.
However, most people will choose the expression of five handred 500 kilometers.
Yes. I think the SDN and the TGM prefix system are not suitable for the TGM unit system.m1n1f1g @ Dec 18 2011, 11:00 AM wrote:If you believe that the SDN is unsuitable for the UUS, it is also unsuitable for TGM. Your criticism reflects this. I would write a counter-argument, but this is not the place for it.
In my experience, people don't think of a "myriad" as meaning a particular number. It's a bit like "zillion" in that it's used to mean "I'm not really sure precisely how many, but it's a whole lot." I think it would be quite difficult to get people accustomed to using "myriad" to mean a particular number instead of "tons and tons."Takashi @ Dec 18 2011, 08:55 AM wrote: Google finds about 59,400,000 results for "myriad", about 47,300 results for "one myriad".
It seems that "myriad" is not used for number counting in daily use.
Despite all the hoopla with people saying, "Metric is easier; just move the decimal point!", I don't think most people really understand exponents. That's why we see things like "0.053 kilometers" on science shows; because they were using kilometers before so they use them again, even though "53 meters" is a much easier thing to say there, and doesn't confuse the issue at all. (I've noticed this happen even when they're not trying to compare scales with something in kilometers, when it's even less justifiable.) That's also why certain SI prefixes, like "hecta" and "deka," or even "deci," are practically never used, even though sometimes they're almost certainly the best choice (human height, for example, should be given in decimeters; but for some reason it's always given in centimeters): because while people understand it when they sit down and think about it, they don't really intuitively grasp the concept of exponentiation, or how to manipulate exponents.m1n1f1g @ Dec 18 2011, 05:00 PM wrote: Well, it looks like I've written the argument here!
The only condition that I see as necessary is 2. I see no rational purpose in conditions 1 and 3.Takashi @ Dec 10 2011, 02:39 AM wrote:I want the candidate of prefix for 12-1 to meet the following conditions:
1. The initial character of the candidate is 'd'.
2. The meaning of the candidate has 12-ness.
3. The candidate is an English word derived from Latin.
Of course not! Why would you expect to?I could not find any word which satisfies all conditions.
So what? It is not necessary to use "u" as a metric-like prefix abbreviation for "uncia-". Pendlebury's system of numeric subscripts/superscripts is adequate: harmonic unciameter = 1mh. unciaGrafut = 1Gf.uncia:
1. Initial 'u' is confused with 'µ'.
But "dozen" does not mean 12·-1, it means 12·1. I suppose you must mean "one dozenth". But how would we use that as a metric-like prefix? Would 1mh be a "harmonic dozenth-meter"?At the present I choose 'dozen' rather than 'uncia'.
I agree with most of your posting, but I did pause a bit at this. Using "u" for "µ" is a pretty common practice whenever we're limited by seven-bit characters, which is actually still surprisingly often. I know tgmconv using "u" as the abbreviation for "micro-," and I think it's a legitimate way to keep it monoliteral (one-lettered; that's a word I just made up, out of mixed Latin-Greek borrowings!) while still differentiated from "milli."So what? It is not necessary to use "u" as a metric-like prefix abbreviation for "uncia-". Pendlebury's system of numeric subscripts/superscripts is adequate: harmonic unciameter = 1mh. unciaGrafut = 1Gf.Kodegadulo @ Dec 19 2011, 08:53 PM wrote:1. Initial 'u' is confused with 'µ'.