## The "dozenite System"

This forum examines duodecimal / base twelve / dozenal exclusively.

# The "dozenite System"

Dozens Disciple
Shaun
Dozens Disciple
Joined: Aug 2 2005, 04:09 PM
Received this week, Punya Pranava Pasumarty has sent us details of his ideas for a complete dozenal system - numbers, names, etc. He writes:

"Since when I had come across this website (DSGB) a couple of years
ago, my interest in dozenalism and base twelve was piqued. As this
interest deepened with time, I soon was incline to develop a system of
numerals and nomenclature suited to base twelve, especially after
getting to know that it is still an issue dozenalists face in
widespread implementation of a base twelve system.

This effort has now come to fruition after a year's work, and I
present to you, the DSGB and DSA, a system of dozenal numerals and
nomenclature of my making. this document that I have sent as an
attachment is an introduction to this system, but it was originally
aimed at those with sound knowledge of maths albeit new to dozenalism,
so you may find several things here which you know only too well.

Punya Pranava Pasumarty"

Details are in his "Dozenite.pdf".

Dozenite system pdf
I use the following conventions for dozenal numbers in my posts.

* prefixes a dozenal number, e.g. *50 = 60.
The apostrophe (') is used as a dozenal point, e.g. 0'6 = 0.5.
T and E stand for ten and eleven respectively.

Dozens Disciple
Shaun
Dozens Disciple
Joined: Aug 2 2005, 04:09 PM
He would welcome comments, by the way. I'll suggest he also signs up here as a member.

Obsessive poster
Obsessive poster
Joined: Sep 10 2011, 11:27 PM
Shaun @ Aug 9 2017, 12:42 PM wrote: He would welcome comments, by the way. I'll suggest he also signs up here as a member.
Punya should definitely sign up and post for himself rather than rely on others to post for him. It would be much simpler for us to comment on his material once he has gone through the exercise of getting it into this format. It would be quite tedious, for instance, if one of us had to manually retype text from his pdf just to quote it and then comment, or to take snapshots of images from his pdf to then comment on his ideas for symbols. (The easiest way to get an image into a post here is to upload it to tinypic.com and then paste the resulting IMG tag here.)

The latter point highlights a risk anyone takes in proposing new symbols that are not supported in existing character sets. Depicting them as images is very unwieldy and limiting. I think just going through the effort needed to reproduce his write-up here would by itself be as instructive to Punya as any direct comments we might make...
As of 1202/03/01[z]=2018/03/01[d] I use:
ten,eleven = ↊↋, ᘔƐ, ӾƐ, XE or AB.
Base-neutral base annotations
Systematic Dozenal Nomenclature
Primel Metrology
Western encoding (not by choice)
Greasemonkey + Mathjax + PrimelDozenator
(Links to these and other useful topics are in my index post;
click on my user name and go to my "Website" link)

Dozens Disciple
Shaun
Dozens Disciple
Joined: Aug 2 2005, 04:09 PM
Kodegadulo @ Aug 9 2017, 03:16 PM wrote: Punya should definitely sign up and post for himself
I agree, and I have written back to him inviting him to join us here. He has clearly spent a long time mulling over these ideas and it is far preferable that he be here to discuss his choice of symbols, vocabulary and so on. (He does not seem to be aware that there is now a form of consensus on the subject of the numeral forms to be used for ten and eleven.)

In the meantime I have provided his work for you all to read through and form your opinions.

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jrus
Regular
Joined: Oct 23 2015, 12:31 AM
This set of glyphs are pretty close to:
six – 5
seven – 6
nine – 7
ten – 8
eleven – 9

Which is ridiculously confusing vs. existing decimal glyphs.

The unusual corners on them also makes them hard to write on paper.

danthemanxf
danthemanxf
jrus @ Aug 31 2017, 02:45 AM wrote:This set of glyphs are pretty close to:
six – 5
seven – 6
nine – 7
ten – 8
eleven  – 9

Which is ridiculously confusing vs. existing decimal glyphs.

The unusual corners on them also makes them hard to write on paper.
there is something to say about the use of existing symbols also being confusing to differentiate between dozenal and the base ten system

its interesting to me that he uses prime factors of twelve to determine the numeric symbols, this is to me essence of the benefit of a dozenal reckoning - showing how the numbers relate to one another seems sensible.

i also find his idea of a digit cycle interesting, the circle is obviously important and gives a simple visual to grasp significant relationships.
*edited to not repeat 'significant' because it annoys me when i do that*