DSA Annual Meeting, 1202;.

DSA Annual Meeting, 1202;.

icarus
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Mar 19 2018, 02:56 AM #1

The Society in the USA is planning its annual meeting once again in friendly Atlanta, Georgia. It will be in late September, at the AMA Executive Conference Center. Check here for more details as we approach the date. (I will edit this message with details as they materialize).
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Jul 13 2018, 01:33 PM #2

The date of the Annual Meeting of the year one dozen two gross two is set: The two dozen fourth of September (a Friday). Come visit with us one and all!
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Jul 16 2018, 08:20 PM #3

   I hope to be able to attend. What I would like to see is an established standard for both fonts and nomenclature. 
        I doubt if my fonts will be accepted as very few use my fonts. But they are both in the same Microsoft style (Symbol - the Greek lettering). One is shift + 6 for ten and the other is capital L for eleven. Some early dozenalists have used my symbol for eleven. And my symbol for ten relates to the number ten. Its used to symbolize 1 tenth of the zodiac. And its what I'm used to since I invented dozenal math only to discover that there exist others in my twelfth year as a dozenalist in 2016. 

For nomenclature I would like to establish a system that can be adapted for any integer base system. Starting with the introduction of ten-one and ten-two in English base ten.

My suggestions for nomenclature are twelve-one, twelve-two, etc followed by twent-ze, thirt-ze, ... ten-ze, eleven-ze, gross.  
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Jul 17 2018, 02:17 AM #4

It would be great to see you there, Richard!
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Jul 17 2018, 07:10 PM #5

I have also discovered a cure for addictions. It involves developing immunity to addiction. 

The ability to think clearly in cycles of twelve is a large part of it. And the ability to do simple arithmetic in base twelve reinforces one's resistance to addiction. There is a third element that might be offensive to some that I won't mention in a public forum. The 3rd element has nothing to do with dozenal. 
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Jul 17 2018, 10:50 PM #6

We'd all be happy to meet you, richard, and hear all about how you developed your interest in dozens. However...
richard.chasen wrote: I have also discovered a cure for addictions. It involves developing immunity to addiction. 

The ability to think clearly in cycles of twelve is a large part of it. And the ability to do simple arithmetic in base twelve reinforces one's resistance to addiction.
Are you prepared to support this claim by presenting scientific evidence that has been peer-reviewed by accredited professionals of psychiatry and/or neuroscience? Because to my knowledge, none of us in the DSA have such qualifications. We are also not a religious or spiritual institution. We are just amateur fans of uncial base, who simply enjoy the plain fact that twelve is more divisible than any other integer of comparable size. The arithmetical conveniences of that is more than enough for most of us.

But some of our meeting attendees have been children. Children can be very vulnerable, and it is our responsibility as adults to protect them. I wouldn't want impressionable young minds to be misguided by things that were purely articles of one person's faith, or speculations without any more foundation than anecdotal experience, presented as if they were universal truths. Especially if any of them ever have been, or ever become, victims of addiction themselves, or if they have had the misfortune to witness the ravages of addiction afflicting any of their loved ones. Offering false hope can be inexcusably cruel.
As of 1202/03/01[z]=2018/03/01[d] I use:
ten,eleven = ↊↋, ᘔƐ, ӾƐ, XE or AB.
Base-neutral base annotations
Systematic Dozenal Nomenclature
Primel Metrology
Western encoding (not by choice)
Greasemonkey + Mathjax + PrimelDozenator
(Links to these and other useful topics are in my index post;
click on my user name and go to my "Website" link)
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Jul 18 2018, 06:28 PM #7

Kodegadulo wrote: We'd all be happy to meet you, richard, and hear all about how you developed your interest in dozens. However...
richard.chasen wrote: I have also discovered a cure for addictions. It involves developing immunity to addiction. 

The ability to think clearly in cycles of twelve is a large part of it. And the ability to do simple arithmetic in base twelve reinforces one's resistance to addiction.
Are you prepared to support this claim by presenting scientific evidence that has been peer-reviewed by accredited professionals of psychiatry and/or neuroscience? Because to my knowledge, none of us in the DSA have such qualifications. We are also not a religious or spiritual institution. We are just amateur fans of uncial base, who simply enjoy the plain fact that twelve is more divisible than any other integer of comparable size. The arithmetical conveniences of that is more than enough for most of us.  

    I'm not YET prepared to present proof of my claims. That being said I have very recently managed to begin the process of developing evidence of my claims in my local community. I will be introducing my concepts to an AA group tonight. I expect to have developed evidence within 2 to 5 years. 
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Jul 18 2018, 06:41 PM #8

richard.chasen wrote:     I'm not YET prepared to present proof of my claims. That being said I have very recently managed to begin the process of developing evidence of my claims in my local community. I will be introducing my concepts to an AA group tonight. I expect to have developed evidence within 2 to 5 years. 
I trust you will be follow customary scientific protocols, with control groups and target groups, and controlling for factors such as placebo effect and confirmation bias.

And of course your experimental results would have to be repeated (or at the very least, reviewed) by independent research teams, before your hypothesis could be established as scientific fact. So I expect it will be quite some time...
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As of 1202/03/01[z]=2018/03/01[d] I use:
ten,eleven = ↊↋, ᘔƐ, ӾƐ, XE or AB.
Base-neutral base annotations
Systematic Dozenal Nomenclature
Primel Metrology
Western encoding (not by choice)
Greasemonkey + Mathjax + PrimelDozenator
(Links to these and other useful topics are in my index post;
click on my user name and go to my "Website" link)
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Jul 18 2018, 06:50 PM #9

And I have also experimented with some other bases. Freemasons and Rosicrucian have been using cycles related to 7 for centuries. There is a book freely downloadable on the Rosicrucian website that deals with this in detail so I can state this publicly. I have also played with other prime number bases such as ten-3 and ten-7. 
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Jul 18 2018, 06:58 PM #10

Kodegadulo wrote: richard.chasen:
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I trust you will be follow customary scientific protocols, with control groups and target groups, and controlling for factors such as placebo effect and confirmation bias.

And of course your experimental results would have to be repeated (or at the very least, reviewed) by independent research teams, before your hypothesis could be established as scientific fact. So I expect it will be quite some time...
I figure about 20 years for established proof. But some people using it within 2 years. 
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Jul 18 2018, 07:07 PM #11

And one more thing. 
If my concepts work or even appear to work, it's popularity will spread. This would result in very much increased interest in dozens. 
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Jul 18 2018, 08:37 PM #12

Richard, it will be good to see you. Note that the group is coming together to discuss duodecimal numeration. Many of us have different beliefs (or lack thereof) and some perhaps face their own travails. That's their business. It's not a place to push life solutions; that's like answering questions never asked. Indeed some minors may be in attendance and discussion of addiction won't be appropriate, I am afraid, for tender ears. You can talk to me about anything you'd like. Regarding addiction, I am a teetotaler mainly for the most ridiculously low alcohol tolerance I have (I call it "efficiency", it's genetic, I am part Asian, and also have a little lactose intolerance; I am sure no one wants to hear about that ; )  ). I am personally not too interested in Freemasonry and Rosicrucians, though. Whenever I hear "rosicrucian" I think of that "rose gold" color some iPhones come in. It's pretty. And heady turn of the century fiction novels in the Vatican about holy grails and such. Then I think of Indiana Jones, who was my personal hero as a kid; I tried to be Harrison Ford when I was really shy and it cured me. "What would Indy or Han do?" Mostly, an odd smile and some really great line. It worked once in Venice, I got a really lovely dame named Anna to kiss me. But my extroversion is only emulated and the Harrison ploy has been fully incorporated such that it is now part of what I am, but it leaves me exhausted after social settings. I did recently suggest my kid "fake it to make it" to get out of her stifling introversion, but she pointed out the "I love you"-"I know" line in Empire Strikes Back only worked ... because it was in the script.     : (

If you have thoughts on math or measure, please share those with the group.

Most of all, the biggest problem I have is that my wings fall apart, especially with altitude. One time I fell and narrowly avoided the sparkling Aegean, contrary to what you might've read. My father (o I have issues) had said something about height of flight but I whaddn't listnin. Call it ADD, I guess. I was too damn excited about soarin' and just took off. My dad is a genius and maybe I got a little of it.

But not enough, apparently. ; )
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Jul 19 2018, 12:51 PM #13

richard.chasen wrote: And one more thing. 
If my concepts work or even appear to work, it's popularity will spread. This would result in very much increased interest in dozens. 
Even if you managed to convince a bunch of AA members to start compulsively meditating about the dozenal multiplication table, and it managed to distract some of them from their compulsion to drink enough to stay sober, how would that prove that it was dozenal math that helped them, and not just compulsive meditation? To control for that you'd have to have some of them compulsively meditate about something else, like their rosary beads, and others about Tantric yoga mandalas, and others about fantasy football, and so forth, while some other group did nothing new. If the compulsive dozenal math group turned out to be statistically more likely to stay sober than any other test group, then you might be on to something.

But I suspect you're going to find it a hard sell. First of all, that kind of research study puts a real strain on the whole premise of anonymity that's in the bedrock of AA. Second, it flirts with the notion that you can "cure" yourself of addiction by self-programming. That goes against AA dogma. Isn't it an article of AA faith -- literal faith -- that you have to give up the idea that you are actually in control of your life? That you must relinquish control to a "higher power" at some point, if you have any hope of progressing through the Dozen Steps? I predict members who've already invested years in following that path, and who may be sponsoring  newcomers struggling to get onto it, will tell you that you just don't get AA. They'll admonish you to "get with the program."

At any rate, all of this is way off topic for what folks in the DSA are interested in. Like icarus said, these are not questions on our minds. We just like dozenal arithmetic and measures.

(Full disclosure: I'm not an addict myself, in fact I'm mostly a teetotaler like Mike. But I do know someone who is in a dozen-step program, who I've been observing closely for many years, so I've picked up a thing or two about the subject. Personally, I'm skeptical about the real effectiveness of dozen-step programs. This person I know has been phenomally successful in staying on the wagon and never relapsing, out of all proportion to all the other participants in that program. I actually attribute that success to what I call Cast-Iron No-Compromise Take-No-Prisoners Willpower (tm), which this person exhibits in spades.🙂)
As of 1202/03/01[z]=2018/03/01[d] I use:
ten,eleven = ↊↋, ᘔƐ, ӾƐ, XE or AB.
Base-neutral base annotations
Systematic Dozenal Nomenclature
Primel Metrology
Western encoding (not by choice)
Greasemonkey + Mathjax + PrimelDozenator
(Links to these and other useful topics are in my index post;
click on my user name and go to my "Website" link)
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Jul 19 2018, 06:27 PM #14

I probably won't make it to the conference... Except by telephone if someone is interested with speaking to me on the phone.  
My focus is to enhance human evolution. My discovery and use of dozens is an outgrowth of that. 
I strongly believe that I've hit on something that in the next 10,000 years has the potential to increase human intelligence a dozen fold. 
Being able to think in multiple number systems is one of the main elements of my work and my personal focus has been dozens. 
If you want to know what I look like visit my You Tube channel. I will be making a video about dozens and personal spiritual growth. I will let people know when I upload my dozens video. 
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Jul 19 2018, 07:55 PM #15

I'd like to see your videos. The work is a worthwhile effort if it can deliver on enhancement of human evolution. Lord knows we need to evolve; the iPad and Twitter can't be all we've done.

Ten thousand years (five dozen nine gross five dozen four years) is a long time: the Younger Dryas, I think, was 8200 years ago; that's when during the glacial retreat on North America, a large body of fresh water broke, I think I recall (ha! not personally), on the Columbia River channel or maybe it as Ancient Lake Bonneville toward the north, and triggered a cold snap for a couple hundred years. It is certainly prehistoric. So this invention would be right up there with agriculture, writing, the code of law, and cities. Within 10,000 years we'll be in a new glacial and a way to clear all the snow on top of Chicago and New York would be of interest, given the pattern for the last half a million years or more. London will be permafrost. Sundaland will re-emerge and Malaysia and Indonesia will be as big as India, so I'd also buy some presently-submerged real estate there. The Sahara will be savannah and forest again. There will be double the amount of Florida land, with the climate of Maryland, and the temperate Bahamas will be as nearly as big as Cuba. And Sahel will be restored, rejoining New Guinea to Australia. We'll just need our coats in June, that's all. The good news is that it would seem we could still meet in the Atlanta area; it will be an alpine sort of place though, great for skiing and cross country trekking north of the tree line in late July, but otherwise as cold as Whitehorse. (Boston and Long Island will be glacial moraines once again. Of course, glaciers don't form overnight. We could still shovel it away before it happens). The only thing left then of Atlanta would be its larger sewer structures, the AT&T building, certain basements, and some of the MARTA tunnels, and they'd likely not be too easy to distinguish as human made.

* Edit: 8200 years ago was "the 8.2 kiloyear event". The Younger Dryas was 12900-11200 years ago. So the 8.2 ky event is younger than the Younger Dryas.
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Jul 19 2018, 08:40 PM #16

No worries - Buildings seldom last 200 years without major repairs anyway. And the change in any one person's lifetime would be very slight. The ocean might be a couple steps further away and it might be a couple degrees colder. 

Outside of a major object smashing into the Earth...
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