DSA Annual Meeting, 1202;.

DSA Annual Meeting, 1202;.

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Mar 19 2018, 02:56 AM #1

The Society in the USA is planning its annual meeting once again in friendly Atlanta, Georgia. It will be in late September, at the AMA Executive Conference Center. Check here for more details as we approach the date. (I will edit this message with details as they materialize).
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Jul 13 2018, 01:33 PM #2

The date of the Annual Meeting of the year one dozen two gross two is set: The two dozen fourth of September (a Friday). Come visit with us one and all!
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Jul 16 2018, 08:20 PM #3

   I hope to be able to attend. What I would like to see is an established standard for both fonts and nomenclature. 
        I doubt if my fonts will be accepted as very few use my fonts. But they are both in the same Microsoft style (Symbol - the Greek lettering). One is shift + 6 for ten and the other is capital L for eleven. Some early dozenalists have used my symbol for eleven. And my symbol for ten relates to the number ten. Its used to symbolize 1 tenth of the zodiac. And its what I'm used to since I invented dozenal math only to discover that there exist others in my twelfth year as a dozenalist in 2016. 

For nomenclature I would like to establish a system that can be adapted for any integer base system. Starting with the introduction of ten-one and ten-two in English base ten.

My suggestions for nomenclature are twelve-one, twelve-two, etc followed by twent-ze, thirt-ze, ... ten-ze, eleven-ze, gross.  
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Jul 17 2018, 02:17 AM #4

It would be great to see you there, Richard!
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Jul 17 2018, 07:10 PM #5

I have also discovered a cure for addictions. It involves developing immunity to addiction. 

The ability to think clearly in cycles of twelve is a large part of it. And the ability to do simple arithmetic in base twelve reinforces one's resistance to addiction. There is a third element that might be offensive to some that I won't mention in a public forum. The 3rd element has nothing to do with dozenal. 
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Jul 17 2018, 10:50 PM #6

We'd all be happy to meet you, richard, and hear all about how you developed your interest in dozens. However...
richard.chasen wrote: I have also discovered a cure for addictions. It involves developing immunity to addiction. 

The ability to think clearly in cycles of twelve is a large part of it. And the ability to do simple arithmetic in base twelve reinforces one's resistance to addiction.
Are you prepared to support this claim by presenting scientific evidence that has been peer-reviewed by accredited professionals of psychiatry and/or neuroscience? Because to my knowledge, none of us in the DSA have such qualifications. We are also not a religious or spiritual institution. We are just amateur fans of uncial base, who simply enjoy the plain fact that twelve is more divisible than any other integer of comparable size. The arithmetical conveniences of that is more than enough for most of us.

But some of our meeting attendees have been children. Children can be very vulnerable, and it is our responsibility as adults to protect them. I wouldn't want impressionable young minds to be misguided by things that were purely articles of one person's faith, or speculations without any more foundation than anecdotal experience, presented as if they were universal truths. Especially if any of them ever have been, or ever become, victims of addiction themselves, or if they have had the misfortune to witness the ravages of addiction afflicting any of their loved ones. Offering false hope can be inexcusably cruel.
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Jul 18 2018, 06:28 PM #7

Kodegadulo wrote: We'd all be happy to meet you, richard, and hear all about how you developed your interest in dozens. However...
richard.chasen wrote: I have also discovered a cure for addictions. It involves developing immunity to addiction. 

The ability to think clearly in cycles of twelve is a large part of it. And the ability to do simple arithmetic in base twelve reinforces one's resistance to addiction.
Are you prepared to support this claim by presenting scientific evidence that has been peer-reviewed by accredited professionals of psychiatry and/or neuroscience? Because to my knowledge, none of us in the DSA have such qualifications. We are also not a religious or spiritual institution. We are just amateur fans of uncial base, who simply enjoy the plain fact that twelve is more divisible than any other integer of comparable size. The arithmetical conveniences of that is more than enough for most of us.  

    I'm not YET prepared to present proof of my claims. That being said I have very recently managed to begin the process of developing evidence of my claims in my local community. I will be introducing my concepts to an AA group tonight. I expect to have developed evidence within 2 to 5 years. 
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Jul 18 2018, 06:41 PM #8

richard.chasen wrote:     I'm not YET prepared to present proof of my claims. That being said I have very recently managed to begin the process of developing evidence of my claims in my local community. I will be introducing my concepts to an AA group tonight. I expect to have developed evidence within 2 to 5 years. 
I trust you will be follow customary scientific protocols, with control groups and target groups, and controlling for factors such as placebo effect and confirmation bias.

And of course your experimental results would have to be repeated (or at the very least, reviewed) by independent research teams, before your hypothesis could be established as scientific fact. So I expect it will be quite some time...
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Jul 18 2018, 06:50 PM #9

And I have also experimented with some other bases. Freemasons and Rosicrucian have been using cycles related to 7 for centuries. There is a book freely downloadable on the Rosicrucian website that deals with this in detail so I can state this publicly. I have also played with other prime number bases such as ten-3 and ten-7. 
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Jul 18 2018, 06:58 PM #10

Kodegadulo wrote: richard.chasen:
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I trust you will be follow customary scientific protocols, with control groups and target groups, and controlling for factors such as placebo effect and confirmation bias.

And of course your experimental results would have to be repeated (or at the very least, reviewed) by independent research teams, before your hypothesis could be established as scientific fact. So I expect it will be quite some time...
I figure about 20 years for established proof. But some people using it within 2 years. 
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Jul 18 2018, 07:07 PM #11

And one more thing. 
If my concepts work or even appear to work, it's popularity will spread. This would result in very much increased interest in dozens. 
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Jul 18 2018, 08:37 PM #12

Richard, it will be good to see you. Note that the group is coming together to discuss duodecimal numeration. Many of us have different beliefs (or lack thereof) and some perhaps face their own travails. That's their business. It's not a place to push life solutions; that's like answering questions never asked. Indeed some minors may be in attendance and discussion of addiction won't be appropriate, I am afraid, for tender ears. You can talk to me about anything you'd like. Regarding addiction, I am a teetotaler mainly for the most ridiculously low alcohol tolerance I have (I call it "efficiency", it's genetic, I am part Asian, and also have a little lactose intolerance; I am sure no one wants to hear about that ; )  ). I am personally not too interested in Freemasonry and Rosicrucians, though. Whenever I hear "rosicrucian" I think of that "rose gold" color some iPhones come in. It's pretty. And heady turn of the century fiction novels in the Vatican about holy grails and such. Then I think of Indiana Jones, who was my personal hero as a kid; I tried to be Harrison Ford when I was really shy and it cured me. "What would Indy or Han do?" Mostly, an odd smile and some really great line. It worked once in Venice, I got a really lovely dame named Anna to kiss me. But my extroversion is only emulated and the Harrison ploy has been fully incorporated such that it is now part of what I am, but it leaves me exhausted after social settings. I did recently suggest my kid "fake it to make it" to get out of her stifling introversion, but she pointed out the "I love you"-"I know" line in Empire Strikes Back only worked ... because it was in the script.     : (

If you have thoughts on math or measure, please share those with the group.

Most of all, the biggest problem I have is that my wings fall apart, especially with altitude. One time I fell and narrowly avoided the sparkling Aegean, contrary to what you might've read. My father (o I have issues) had said something about height of flight but I whaddn't listnin. Call it ADD, I guess. I was too damn excited about soarin' and just took off. My dad is a genius and maybe I got a little of it.

But not enough, apparently. ; )
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Jul 19 2018, 12:51 PM #13

richard.chasen wrote: And one more thing. 
If my concepts work or even appear to work, it's popularity will spread. This would result in very much increased interest in dozens. 
Even if you managed to convince a bunch of AA members to start compulsively meditating about the dozenal multiplication table, and it managed to distract some of them from their compulsion to drink enough to stay sober, how would that prove that it was dozenal math that helped them, and not just compulsive meditation? To control for that you'd have to have some of them compulsively meditate about something else, like their rosary beads, and others about Tantric yoga mandalas, and others about fantasy football, and so forth, while some other group did nothing new. If the compulsive dozenal math group turned out to be statistically more likely to stay sober than any other test group, then you might be on to something.

But I suspect you're going to find it a hard sell. First of all, that kind of research study puts a real strain on the whole premise of anonymity that's in the bedrock of AA. Second, it flirts with the notion that you can "cure" yourself of addiction by self-programming. That goes against AA dogma. Isn't it an article of AA faith -- literal faith -- that you have to give up the idea that you are actually in control of your life? That you must relinquish control to a "higher power" at some point, if you have any hope of progressing through the Dozen Steps? I predict members who've already invested years in following that path, and who may be sponsoring  newcomers struggling to get onto it, will tell you that you just don't get AA. They'll admonish you to "get with the program."

At any rate, all of this is way off topic for what folks in the DSA are interested in. Like icarus said, these are not questions on our minds. We just like dozenal arithmetic and measures.

(Full disclosure: I'm not an addict myself, in fact I'm mostly a teetotaler like Mike. But I do know someone who is in a dozen-step program, who I've been observing closely for many years, so I've picked up a thing or two about the subject. Personally, I'm skeptical about the real effectiveness of dozen-step programs. This person I know has been phenomally successful in staying on the wagon and never relapsing, out of all proportion to all the other participants in that program. I actually attribute that success to what I call Cast-Iron No-Compromise Take-No-Prisoners Willpower (tm), which this person exhibits in spades.🙂)
As of 1202/03/01[z]=2018/03/01[d] I use:
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Primel Metrology
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Jul 19 2018, 06:27 PM #14

I probably won't make it to the conference... Except by telephone if someone is interested with speaking to me on the phone.  
My focus is to enhance human evolution. My discovery and use of dozens is an outgrowth of that. 
I strongly believe that I've hit on something that in the next 10,000 years has the potential to increase human intelligence a dozen fold. 
Being able to think in multiple number systems is one of the main elements of my work and my personal focus has been dozens. 
If you want to know what I look like visit my You Tube channel. I will be making a video about dozens and personal spiritual growth. I will let people know when I upload my dozens video. 
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Jul 19 2018, 07:55 PM #15

I'd like to see your videos. The work is a worthwhile effort if it can deliver on enhancement of human evolution. Lord knows we need to evolve; the iPad and Twitter can't be all we've done.

Ten thousand years (five dozen nine gross five dozen four years) is a long time: the Younger Dryas, I think, was 8200 years ago; that's when during the glacial retreat on North America, a large body of fresh water broke, I think I recall (ha! not personally), on the Columbia River channel or maybe it as Ancient Lake Bonneville toward the north, and triggered a cold snap for a couple hundred years. It is certainly prehistoric. So this invention would be right up there with agriculture, writing, the code of law, and cities. Within 10,000 years we'll be in a new glacial and a way to clear all the snow on top of Chicago and New York would be of interest, given the pattern for the last half a million years or more. London will be permafrost. Sundaland will re-emerge and Malaysia and Indonesia will be as big as India, so I'd also buy some presently-submerged real estate there. The Sahara will be savannah and forest again. There will be double the amount of Florida land, with the climate of Maryland, and the temperate Bahamas will be as nearly as big as Cuba. And Sahel will be restored, rejoining New Guinea to Australia. We'll just need our coats in June, that's all. The good news is that it would seem we could still meet in the Atlanta area; it will be an alpine sort of place though, great for skiing and cross country trekking north of the tree line in late July, but otherwise as cold as Whitehorse. (Boston and Long Island will be glacial moraines once again. Of course, glaciers don't form overnight. We could still shovel it away before it happens). The only thing left then of Atlanta would be its larger sewer structures, the AT&T building, certain basements, and some of the MARTA tunnels, and they'd likely not be too easy to distinguish as human made.

* Edit: 8200 years ago was "the 8.2 kiloyear event". The Younger Dryas was 12900-11200 years ago. So the 8.2 ky event is younger than the Younger Dryas.
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Jul 19 2018, 08:40 PM #16

No worries - Buildings seldom last 200 years without major repairs anyway. And the change in any one person's lifetime would be very slight. The ocean might be a couple steps further away and it might be a couple degrees colder. 

Outside of a major object smashing into the Earth...
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Jul 20 2018, 02:07 AM #17

richard.chasen wrote: My focus is to enhance human evolution. My discovery and use of dozens is an outgrowth of that. 
I strongly believe that I've hit on something that in the next 10,000 years has the potential to increase human intelligence a dozen fold. 
Being able to think in multiple number systems is one of the main elements of my work and my personal focus has been dozens.
Evolution does not work that way. It is not a ladder. It is not goal-directed. The arrow it follows does not always point upward. All it does is adapt species to the environment they happen to find themselves in, from one eon to the next. What happens in the environment can be completely a matter of circumstance and happenstance.

Some have theorized that the Cro-Magnons (also known as Early Modern Humans), who lived some 10,000d to 10,000z years ago, might actually have been more intelligent than we are today, even though they were definitely the same species as us. They had bigger brains, at least. On top of being overall taller, stronger, fitter, more robust than us.  They were the first to engage in abstract symbolic thought and representational art, as demonstrated in their cave paintings, which are every bit as beautiful and technically adept as any Michelangelo, all without any of the education and material culture supporting modern artists.

Why would they have been brainier and brawnier than us? Because they lived a nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle, in small tribes.  Life was tougher back then. They had to be stronger and smarter than us, just to survive.  In short, there was a strong selection pressure for them to be athletic geniuses.

Why would we be weaker and dumber now?  In a word: civilization. The Neolithic Revolution. We invented agriculture. Sedentary farming, supporting larger populations without needing to constantly move around, but also requiring coordination of labor in groups larger than the small family clan.  Living in a walled city-state means you don't have to be quite so tough and crafty any more to keep from getting eaten by lions.  On the other hand, being cooped up in close quarters in a walled city-state requires increased sociability, cooperation, getting along, obedience to laws, subservience to authority ... docility.  When the shaman or the chief says it's time for everyone to get the harvest in, being the smart-a** who tries to go back to the rugged individualism schtick can get you stoned by the congregation. So much for passing on genes for being a smart-a**.

Look at what happened to other species that we domesticated, like the dog, the cat, the horse, the cow.  The wild stock they came from were all tougher, more cunning, more ornery than their domesticated cousins.  But we bred them -- we put selection pressure on them -- favoring docility and ability to get along with humans. They evolved accordingly, flourishing under our care, until they greatly outnumbered their wild cousins -- a winning evolutionary strategy.  But by any measures a dog or a cow is a lot dumber than a wolf or an auroch.  Chances are, we did the same thing to ourselves. The human race looks a lot like a domesticated species itself, these days.  Dumbed down, and getting dumber all the time.

So how does that relate to dozens?  Ironically, the appeal of dozens might be interpreted less as a sign of increasing intelligence, but more as an accommodation to decreasing intelligence.  Doing arithmetic in decimal is incrementally harder, because of the lack of convenient factors.  So being able to wield it anyway, despite the difficulties, may indicate greater mental fluency.  On the other hand, dozenal, with its nice factorability producing a multiplication table with so many more patterns, is incrementally easier to learn.  Plus, its factors are small subitizing numbers, so arithmetic in dozenal can more efficiently tap into basic capabilities already embedded in human cognition.  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for making life easier and more efficient for humans.  But I recognize that doing that could eliminate selection pressures to make us smarter.

The only way evolution could change that trend is if the environment introduced some factor that imposed selection pressure favoring intelligence.  Just exercising capabilities we already have will not drive our genes to accumulate better capabilities.  Giraffes didn't get their long necks because generations of their ancestors dilligently strove to stretch themselves ever higher. That's Lamarkianism, which has long been discredited. Giraffes got long necks because every time a mutation for a slightly longer neck happened, those giraffes got to eat slightly more and have slightly more babies.

On the other hand, we've been doing a good job lately of using technology to enhance our capabilities beyond what we get from our genes.  We've already reached the point where everybody is carrying around something in their pockets which previous generations would have termed a "supercomputer".  It's only a matter of time before we start interfacing our brains directly to our technology.
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Jul 20 2018, 06:22 PM #18

Kodegadulo wrote:
richard.chasen wrote: My focus is to enhance human evolution. My discovery and use of dozens is an outgrowth of that. 
I strongly believe that I've hit on something that in the next 10,000 years has the potential to increase human intelligence a dozen fold. 
Being able to think in multiple number systems is one of the main elements of my work and my personal focus has been dozens.
Evolution does not work that way. It is not a ladder. It is not goal-directed. The arrow it follows does not always point upward. All it does is adapt species to the environment they happen to find themselves in, from one eon to the next. What happens in the environment can be completely a matter of circumstance and happenstance.

Some have theorized that the Cro-Magnons (also known as Early Modern Humans), who lived some 10,000d to 10,000z years ago, might actually have been more intelligent than we are today, even though they were definitely the same species as us. They had bigger brains, at least. On top of being overall taller, stronger, fitter, more robust than us.  They were the first to engage in abstract symbolic thought and representational art, as demonstrated in their cave paintings, which are every bit as beautiful and technically adept as any Michelangelo, all without any of the education and material culture supporting modern artists.

You and I clearly have different perspectives on the nature of the universe and of education. 
My positions that differ from your's are the following:

Evolution is first an evolution of the soul. Not just an adaption to environment. 
Evolution is influenced by either God or some very advanced extraterrestrial civilization. 
If/When humans begin to make contact with extraterrestrial life forms we will need to have evolved in the direction of increased mathematical intelligence. The symbols humans currently use for numbers wouldn't make sense to extraterrestrials. 
There exists a language of the universe (or at least a civilization far in advance of us that influences Earth) that is based on mathematics and geometry. That number based language requires an intelligence far in advance of humans. A human with an IQ of 170 compared to these 'gods' would be like an intelligent rat's intelligence compared to a human genius. 
Numbers that humans obsess upon (from an extraterrestrial point of view) are bits and pieces of this language. We obsess on ten by primarily using base ten and develop technology based on measurement as astronomy develops. Even counting is a form of measurement. 
Obsessing on twelves with the belief of universal language (or even numerology) develops religious and spiritual aptitudes as astrology develops. Increased spiritual aptitude people tend not to be alcoholics, addicts, homosexuals, psychotics, etc. 
Obsessing on 7 leads to success in business and social status. This is done among some groups. These groups have managed to influence the rest of the human population. The 7 day week comes from this. Does anyone even question why there are 7 days in a week? Why not 8?
Base 60 in ancient Babylon was intended to combine base ten and base twelve. 
It would be interesting to have a control group of dozenalists who have an inability to even count in base ten. It would either prove or dis-prove my theory. 
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Jul 21 2018, 12:16 PM #19

We have a right to what we think and believe. I don't think we need to argue here about the merit of someone's life journey. Let's let that remain the province of the person's own prerogative. Their perspective is their own.

Let it suffice to say this.

Richard you'd be welcome if you did come. No one need think exactly like me (ha that would be boring, why meet? I already know everything such a person could say, and that would be probably the very most uninteresting thing to do, like talking to myself). I am not sure the philosophy you describe would be interesting in and of itself to the group since we have limited time together. People come to the meetings with a lot to say. However there is plenty of social time outside of the Friday meeting where we could talk over a meal or relaxing in the lobby, etc. and of course anything could be topic for discussion. Like I said, anyone can talk to me about anything. (I of course, may not agree with everything you present, but in the spirit of any genuine human discussion, we can discuss. I mean, we are people. I love to talk, but I am locally renowned for my differences of opinion).
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Jul 21 2018, 12:23 PM #20

richard.chasen wrote: You and I clearly have different perspectives on the nature of the universe and of education. 
Clearly. 😉
Evolution is first an evolution of the soul. Not just an adaption to environment. 
The theory of evolution by natural selection has nothing to do with "souls".  It is a body of innumerable facts and observations about living organisms, their genetic relationships and diversity, population dynamics, their natural history in the fossil record, biochemistry, and a host of other fields, accumulated by numerous scientists from different disciplines over a period now approaching two centuries, combined with an overarching model which concords with all these facts, which provides a mechanism which explains all of the facts and unifies the entire science of biology, and which makes verifiable predictions about what other related facts and observations we are likely to unearth, and where to look for them.

The "soul" is a supernatural concept for which there is as yet no credible evidence whatsoever.  It is an assertion which, by definition, one must accept purely on religious faith alone. Faith by definition is belief without evidence. In extreme cases, it is even belief in the face of problematic and even contradictory evidence.  Consider: Many split-brain patients (who have had their corpus callosum severed as a treatment for severe epileptic seizures) exhibit every indication that the two halves of their brain can house two very different personalities, with different likes and dislikes, and different opinions about what is going on around them.  So if the original person had a "soul", what happened to it? Did it go to one of the half-brains, and did the other half-brain receive a new "soul"? Which is which?  Did the original "soul" die and go to the "afterlife", and the two half-brains each received a new "soul"?  What about other severe brain injuries or tumors, that cause a complete change of someone's personality? What if the original person was a born-again, but the new personality was an apostate? Or vice-versa? Is there one soul now going to heaven? or hell?  Or one of each?  And does any of this speculation one way or another make any bit of difference to how we treat the patient?
Evolution is influenced by either God or some very advanced extraterrestrial civilization. If/When humans begin to make contact with extraterrestrial life forms we will need to have evolved in the direction of increased mathematical intelligence. The symbols humans currently use for numbers wouldn't make sense to extraterrestrials. There exists a language of the universe (or at least a civilization far in advance of us that influences Earth) that is based on mathematics and geometry. That number based language requires an intelligence far in advance of humans. A human with an IQ of 170 compared to these 'gods' would be like an intelligent rat's intelligence compared to a human genius. 
Numbers that humans obsess upon (from an extraterrestrial point of view) are bits and pieces of this language. We obsess on ten by primarily using base ten and develop technology based on measurement as astronomy develops. Even counting is a form of measurement. 
Obsessing on twelves with the belief of universal language (or even numerology) develops religious and spiritual aptitudes as astrology develops. Increased spiritual aptitude people tend not to be alcoholics, addicts, homosexuals, psychotics, etc. 
Obsessing on 7 leads to success in business and social status. This is done among some groups. These groups have managed to influence the rest of the human population.
Every single statement you have made above is an assertion for which there is not even a single scrap of evidence. The most you can say about any of the above is that it would make an interesting speculative premise for a science fiction story. (And there have been many such stories.)  But you appear to have arrived at all of these assertions purely as articles of faith. I reiterate: The DSA is not a mystical or religious institution. Its annual meetings are not appropriate for proselytizing religious beliefs.  Nor is it a science forum (at least, not directly). We're just about the math.

But the individual members are people of course, with different likes and beliefs. What folks choose to talk about in side-discussions outside the meeting is their own business.
The 7 day week comes from this. Does anyone even question why there are 7 days in a week? Why not 8?
The invention of the 7 day week has a perfectly rational explanation that does not require mystic-crystal woo. Observing the phases of the moon is an easy way to keep track of the passage of time.  A phase of the moon, rounded down to a whole number, is seven days.  This was a handy rule-of-thumb that helped early civilizations keep track of the passage of days and seasons, which is vital when you need to carefully plan the planting and harvesting of crops.  The persistence of the 7 day week into modern times is easily explained by the fact that the Abrahamic religions cemented it into our culture as a sacred commandment, and ultimately by simple cultural inertia.

But note that the Romans did have an 8-day "week".  They called it the "nundinal cycle", based on "nine", because of the peculiar way they liked to count the lengths of cycles: They would include not just the number of items in the cycle, but also the first item in the next cycle. (Hence an "octave", even though the musical scale only contains seven natural notes.)
Base 60 in ancient Babylon was intended to combine base ten and base twelve. 
It would be interesting to have a control group of dozenalists who have an inability to even count in base ten. It would either prove or dis-prove my theory. 
Counting in any base, or rather counting using any grouping size, is fairly easy for most people. It is very unlikely we could find any significant set of people who were completely unable to count using some particular grouping size.  What the true test would be is whether arithmetic, particularly multiplication and division, is easier to learn in one base or another.
As of 1202/03/01[z]=2018/03/01[d] I use:
ten,eleven = ↊↋, ᘔƐ, ӾƐ, XE or AB.
Base-neutral base annotations
Systematic Dozenal Nomenclature
Primel Metrology
Western encoding (not by choice)
Greasemonkey + Mathjax + PrimelDozenator
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Jul 23 2018, 01:26 AM #21

Sigh...
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