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May 27 2012, 06:11 PM #1

In short, I would like the films sector to have separate sectors for at least separating the orginal DC, BDC, RtDC, and to lesser extent CDC and a group for the rest of the versions.

There's this thread with speedrun scorings, I think it isn't updated enough. Furthermore by checking the timings, with the first few I tried its wasn't a correct archived timing at all. And with that, I don't understand why the bonus counter isn't used for this at first instant, and maybe if neccesary, on which of the 6 ticks the bonus counter is at moment of exit.

Addition of a recording guide? I am bit lazy to get started with it, as when I think of something near, I am right off into playing the game. :D Also, I hope there aren't any other needs for recording, as for not being able to fake legit runs to be tool assisted.

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May 27 2012, 08:50 PM #2

ChaiN @ May 27 2012, 10:11 AM wrote: In short, I would like the films sector to have separate sectors for at least separating the orginal DC, BDC, RtDC, and to lesser extent CDC and a group for the rest of the versions.

There's this thread with speedrun scorings, I think it isn't updated enough. Furthermore by checking the timings, with the first few I tried its wasn't a correct archived timing at all. And with that, I don't understand why the bonus counter isn't used for this at first instant, and maybe if neccesary, on which of the 6 ticks the bonus counter is at moment of exit.

Addition of a recording guide? I am bit lazy to get started with it, as when I think of something near, I am right off into playing the game. :D Also, I hope there aren't any other needs for recording, as for not being able to fake legit runs to be tool assisted.

Thanks. :Mutant:
That's not a bad idea, though, at the moment, it would just make the forums feel more empty. Maybe I can make topic icons for them.

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May 27 2012, 08:54 PM #3

The speed-run thread table at the beginning is very out of date. I think Jon stopped updating it; can't remember why now. Also there is at least one reply from me suggesting that exit bonus should be used instead of wall-clock time since it is much accurate (down to half a second). Plus with replays you an count the frames too for at least 1/4 second accuracy +/- 1/8.
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May 27 2012, 09:37 PM #4

If labeled correctly it's all good. Reason of me asking is because I ran *unknowingly into some spoilers for BDC and RtDC.

Does anyone know how long a frame (1/6 of a given count on timer) precisely is in normal time?
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May 27 2012, 09:45 PM #5

Classic DC's bonus counted down every 1/2 second. However the problem with screen recording is that the frames of your recording may not necessarily align with the frames of the game itself. You need to record at at least double the FPS of the original game to be sure of getting every original game frame in.

That said, you can still be accurate to 1/2 a second +/- 1/4 by using the bonus alone, and by counting frames you can get twice the accuracy. There's unlikely to be call for that level of accuracy anyway.
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May 27 2012, 09:52 PM #6

I would think not! Especially when a level doesn't require rocks been thrown (not talking no rocks challenge, but rather the levels you can easily get through without use of rocks normally).

In the end for speedruns, we'd probably All take the same route, when all knowledge is known.
So it has to come close. Or there's too much skill difference.

I seriously hope we can get in a tight contest on this, so I really need to impress you somehow and get that blood boiling. :BKfist:
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May 31 2012, 08:04 PM #7

Richard, I hope you realise (when I assume you agree with the setting.. which I think you do),
that when I will set a record, and you'll get the exact same record after, that in the books I will keep being holder of the record. Thus, as being the first to set that record.

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Jun 1 2012, 07:32 AM #8

Right, I'll try and be nice about this.

I do not care about DC any more.

Okay?

You can decide you hold a tied record, or you can try and beat a record.

They are there for you and others to beat.

I am not going to defend them because I do not want to defend them. As I was discussing with Izdale in the fastest BDC Advanced Black Knight run; I was happy he got that one. See thread and his link to my retirement post. I wanted other people to hold records and generate interest. However just one other person isn't enough. 10 people, maybe I might get back in to it as that's a community of sorts. Maybe.

However the other important thing is that the vast majority of these (Some notable exceptions being the intermediate BK no-fireball, and the total advanced clearance no rocks) were just done ad-lib. Maybe a couple of tries. I did not spend hours and hours on them. I do not intend to spend hours and hours on competing. Life is too short.

A prime example of this was the advanced gauntlet on RtDC - see original thread here. You'll need to read on to where I post the links to the screen recordings since the replays don't work. So if you can get hold of RtDC 1.2 *and* get it to work at full FPS, you could try and beat the 16 jumps of the bottom fire pit in Advanced Gauntlet of RtDC 1.2 challenge. It's massively easier in the later versions; I posted another video comparing the two.


So where am I going with this? a.k.a tl-dr;
  • Please do go ahead and enjoy playing the games - it's great that you want to.
  • I am not going to battle you to retain records; I have moved on.
  • If you want to challenge me at something that I do care about, get soku.
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Jun 1 2012, 10:24 AM #9

No sure why you mention that you are trying to be "nice"? :Puzz:

I am just very serious about this, and while it was in my childhood that I spent hours on the game, I won't do anything something similar now. Summer has begun! So there won't be hours of play on days end.

Maybe it was different, if there were more records on Triple Advanced which I assumed most records were done in, untill Yesterday. That scrapes 98% off the needed time for the prepartion of a record run. That said, in all honesty I was indeed prepared that I would need hours to play before I would be able to the low rock challenges. Again, big relief.

No matter what, you are holder of the most records, and obviously a setting to be agreed on needs to be discussed. Especially here with this game, as the fastest runs are humanly possible on many levels. And thus the possibility of 1 or more people getting the same record is very apparent..

Thus to me, is very important to agree on the setting.

This game isn't monopoly or anything superficial. To me DC is a hardcore game, as being as it is, and the quality of it when it came out.

It's obviously fine as to how you are with the game right now, and I might close the chapter as well when I've done what I think needs to be done.

I just needed to be sure that we and others agree on the same terms. What I asked in my previous post is thus a necessity.

Altough it logical to me that the first one to set a record will be kept of the title holder as I always felt that it went this way with records on this planet. In my opinion I can't just take that for granted anywhere I go.

Again, I don't know why you seem aggravated by that you had to say you were trying to be nice, unless I would have said something like "..it is a fact that then the title belongs to me, even when you duplicate that record. Being first or second means the difference of being Title holder, or a mere footnote"..
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Jun 1 2012, 11:52 AM #10

This is one of the most bizarre threads ever...
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Jun 1 2012, 01:35 PM #11

As this whole thread can be deleted in due time. And you North, making a superficial statement, I don't mind to dwell off topic here.

The only bizarre thing here is why Richard feels he needs to be nice upon my post before his.

What else don't you get?

Maybe you haven't seen many threads where 2 of the world's best in something meet?
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Jun 2 2012, 11:25 AM #12

First up, sorry for causing you offence. What I am/was trying to say was simply that in a few threads you have talked about trying to get me interested in competing; and each time I have said no. Additionally you started posting in other threads telling me to reply to this one; along with PMing me and telling me too. So that; and you just said it one too many times for me.

Also, please don't take out your annoyance at my thoughtless post on North Bridge; even if the comment did seem a little facetious to you. That probably sounds rich right now; but if you look on the other side, he might just have been trying to diffuse the situation.

I've already replied re hardcore etc here; so won't go through that again. Frankly I'd rate any lunatic touhou project or say cave-story+ on hard mode massively more hard-core than DC.

So all in all, I'll just suggest re-reading the tl-dr section of my previous post; and won't comment more on the matter.

Also, after this coming week I'm going to be on sabbatical and hiking through the Canadian Rockies; so I'm not going to be online as a result for several weeks.
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Jun 2 2012, 09:53 PM #13

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Jun 2 2012, 11:01 PM #14

That's all very sweet, I'm sure - but I don't see why you ranting at me about not caring any more is going to make me care. TBH, it just makes me wakarimasenlol.jpg.

Also, please bear in mind that less lenient mods would suspend your account for language like that. As a new member; on one hand you say you were posting for Jon's sake but then you start slagging off his forum and its organisation for a variety of self-serving reasons.

Jon, Izdale, Gruz and other mods have put large amounts of time and effort in to maintaining them, deleting spam posts and trying to keep threads organised. They are not being paid. You say that is easy to do, but it takes time and effort on their parts. Just as I hope you don't drop litter in the street because you think someone will clean up after you; please also don't drop litter or spread muck in the forum.


Finally, let me reiterate again: I would love for you to make new records, that's great! I hope and believe I speak for the whole community there. Just please don't expect me to compete. There is [much] more to life than video game records; be they mainstream, classic or niche. Also wrt whatever pain you went through in MK land; remember that there is also massively more to life than trying to get respect from a group of people on the internet. Take a step back and remember it's just a game. :)
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Jun 3 2012, 03:48 AM #15

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