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torturedsoulv1
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torturedsoulv1
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January 26th, 2018, 7:51 am #11

Scrooge McSuck wrote:Johan is a 2-time Cy Young winner who dominated for a solid 4-5 years, and he didn't get 5%. That's cold. Not saying he should be in, but show a little respect.
He missed to much time due to injury to even get 5%
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Scrooge McSuck
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January 26th, 2018, 3:47 pm #12

Don Mattingly stayed on the ballot for 15 years with a similar 4-5 year window of greatness. Missed an entire season (practically) and then 4-5 years of mediocrity. It's hard to compare position players to pitchers, but it seems unjust to give him just a little consideration before tapering off the ballot.
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Erick Von Erich
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January 26th, 2018, 4:20 pm #13

Y'know, for some reason I thought Isringhausen was a Pretty Big Deal in St. Louis , circa 2000-2005, but looked him up and nothing really jumped out at me. Probably just because he was mentioned as a Pretty Big Deal in the movie version of "Moneyball" (don't get me started on that movie... it made its point well, but how do you cover a team's season and ignore the MVP and Cy Young winners who were BOTH on that team?!)
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torturedsoulv1
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January 27th, 2018, 9:46 pm #14

Scrooge McSuck wrote:Don Mattingly stayed on the ballot for 15 years with a similar 4-5 year window of greatness. Missed an entire season (practically) and then 4-5 years of mediocrity. It's hard to compare position players to pitchers, but it seems unjust to give him just a little consideration before tapering off the ballot.
I thought Mattingly had 10 great years

But I googled his stats. And yep only 6 years

He was always elite defensively. Maybe that gave him more votes.
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January 27th, 2018, 9:51 pm #15

Santana had 4 elite years. 3 with the twins and his first with the Mets

But the rest of his career was meh.
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