Songs that make you crossdream

A place to discuss personal experiences with crossdreaming
Fabienne
Joined: 16 Apr 2017, 20:06

23 Sep 2017, 20:04 #161

There are some really nice crossdreamy songs posted in this thread and I've listened to several today.
This song has make me rather crossdreamy since the first time I heard it (1999). Urban solitude means that everyone commuting or walking through the city lives in their own little bubble most of the time and the outside world becomes unimportant. I see a lot of overlap with crossdreaming where I, in this case keep on dreaming instead of engaging fully with the outside world.
Plus it's a good gutsy song. Oh and the chorus with the female and male vocals singing the same melody simultaneously probably contributes to my links with crossdreaming, as it's almost like that in my head at times.
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Fabienne
Joined: 16 Apr 2017, 20:06

23 Sep 2017, 20:42 #162

This is a 1995 guilty pleasure of mine.

It talks about how men are awkward when flirting or out on a first date. The chorus changes between "it's great to be a girl" and "I'm so glad I'm a girl".
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Monique
Joined: 25 Mar 2016, 09:30

23 Sep 2017, 22:29 #163

April wrote: Thanks Monique, I can’t speak for everybody here, but I very much welcome these types of comments on threads about crossdreaming and the media. They not only help me to understand our similarities, but our differences as well. Most of the time when I have posted something in this thread, it is the song itself that is the main factor rather than the video elements. But the video elements can either support or detract from that.
 
This version of Sweet Dream is very dark, much darker than the Eurhythmics original. Ever hear a song, and think they almost got it right, but something is missing? I have long thought that of the Eurhythmics version. Now days, a big part of the attractiveness of a song for me is in my ability to dance to it, and for that to really happen, I need it to move me emotionally. I previously tried dancing to the Marilyn Manson version of this song, and while that version was an improvement over the original, this Emily Browning version gave me exactly what I was looking for, which was complete melancholy.
 
As far as the video elements go, I believe this video was done in conjunction with the release of the movie Sucker Punch, also staring Emily Browning. It uses scenes from the movie, and I suspect it was used as a cross marketing tool.
 
I haven’t seen the film, but much of story can be determined from the video, and any holes can be filled-in by reading synopsis of the plot. What the video shows is a teenage girl brutalized by an older male. The girl then takes matters into her own hands, and because of that unjustly ends up in a mental institution, where she is brutalized again. Through fantasy she then escapes into another world where she becomes a powerful super hero like character.  I found these themes and the associated emotions to be highly evocative, as was the song itself. For me, this sort of thing is mostly about emotion and empathy. In fact, the girl’s plight sort of echoes some of the feelings one experiences growing up transgendered.
So I see, the video actually has a lot to do with that movie (that I never cared to watch). And you're right, although I prefer the original (like I prefer everything 80's, I guess), now that you say it, there is something missing to the Eurythmics version, isn't it. Though not the cool heavy cello line, of course. 😋


No wonder you found it hard to dance to the original. Don't you remember? As the New Wave slaughtered disco there was hardly any decent dance music to be found for several years! 😄
"We live only to discover beauty. All else is a form of waiting."

- Khalil Gibran


If I cannot be a feminine traditional woman, what's the point of being a woman?

- Me
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Monique
Joined: 25 Mar 2016, 09:30

23 Sep 2017, 22:56 #164

Fabienne wrote: This is a 1995 guilty pleasure of mine.

It talks about how men are awkward when flirting or out on a first date. The chorus changes between "it's great to be a girl" and "I'm so glad I'm a girl".
A lost gem! 😄 Thanks, I remember it now. If only it wasn't so repetitive. There sure is something to be said of pop music sung by women in German. Something vibrant and irreverent. Kinda punkish.
"We live only to discover beauty. All else is a form of waiting."

- Khalil Gibran


If I cannot be a feminine traditional woman, what's the point of being a woman?

- Me
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April
Joined: 17 Nov 2015, 16:32

24 Sep 2017, 00:37 #165

Fabienne wrote: There are some really nice crossdreamy songs posted in this thread and I've listened to several today.
This song has make me rather crossdreamy since the first time I heard it (1999). Urban solitude means that everyone commuting or walking through the city lives in their own little bubble most of the time and the outside world becomes unimportant. I see a lot of overlap with crossdreaming where I, in this case keep on dreaming instead of engaging fully with the outside world.
Plus it's a good gutsy song. Oh and the chorus with the female and male vocals singing the same melody simultaneously probably contributes to my links with crossdreaming, as it's almost like that in my head at times.
I like this song a lot. The melody evokes emotion, and the lyrics are very interesting. I can see how it has been a conduit for you. 
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Fabienne
Joined: 16 Apr 2017, 20:06

24 Sep 2017, 14:57 #166

This may not be to everybody's taste, however it's just so jarring to hear the exact words we all know from the Dolly Parton version and then hear it sung by a guy, Jack White in this case and ramped up to emotional breaking point. I really like covers that don't change the words, even if the musical style is so different. Crossing genders, yep. No clue what Jack White was trying to say by doing this song like this, but it's just so jarring and crossdreamy to me.
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April
Joined: 17 Nov 2015, 16:32

25 Sep 2017, 16:46 #167

Fabienne wrote: This may not be to everybody's taste, however it's just so jarring to hear the exact words we all know from the Dolly Parton version and then hear it sung by a guy, Jack White in this case and ramped up to emotional breaking point. I really like covers that don't change the words, even if the musical style is so different. Crossing genders, yep. No clue what Jack White was trying to say by doing this song like this, but it's just so jarring and crossdreamy to me.
Fabienne, This is a very intriguing video and really good example of how a number elements can come together and interact with the emotions of the viewer. My dancing is highly emotional, but what actually cuts through and triggers those emotions might be highly individualistic. The song simply becomes a conduit for me getting in touch with something within myself. Even the Dolly Parton original version had some potential in that regard. After all, the song is about one woman worried about a prettier woman stealing her man, but she also sounds somewhat envious of that other woman's beauty. That is not an unusual state for a dysphoric MtF, so it is easy to find empathy there.Of course, a number of songs originally done under the banner of one gender have been redone by a representative of the other gender with good results, but this is most certainly a song that can't be morphed in that way. Then there is, as you pointed out, the fact that Jack White sings this song rather emotionally, as if it is very personal for him. By doing that, his intro comment takes on a greater significance. He paraphrases Dr. John, "I'm in the right place at the wrong time". That could indeed describe what it feels like to have dysphoria. Then there is the fact Jack White hasn't always been the most masculine of men, as somebody who has often appeared rather androgynous. When watching the video, I was rather stunned by how much he reminded me of the long deceased Marc Bolan of T. Rex, who was one of the first gender bending musicians. I did some searching and discovered that I am not the only one who sees a haunting connection between those two artists. I am wondering if Jack White is one of us. I have read that he has been rather mysterious about his personal life, even to the point of deliberatly deceiving.   
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Fabienne
Joined: 16 Apr 2017, 20:06

25 Sep 2017, 18:14 #168

I would not be surprised if he was a crossdreamer or at least more fluid gender-wise. He's a very huge advocate of gender equanimity and has dedicated shows to the transgender community before. I was aware of the similarity you mentioned. The other common one is Robert Plant.
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Fabienne
Joined: 16 Apr 2017, 20:06

25 Sep 2017, 18:40 #169

I'll let this song speak for itself and especially the lyrics.



Turn it inside out so I can see
The part of you that's drifting over me
And when I wake you're never there
But when I sleep you're everywhere
You're everywhere
Just tell me how I got this far
Just tell me why you're here and who you are
'Cause every time I look
You're never there
And every time I sleep
You're always there
'Cause you're everywhere to me
And when I close my eyes it's you I see
You're everything I know
That makes me believe
I'm not alone
I'm not alone
I recognize the way you make me feel
It's hard to think that
You might not be real
I sense it now, the water's getting deep
I try to wash the pain away from me
Away from me
'Cause you're everywhere to me
And when I close my eyes it's you I see
You're everything I know
That makes me believe
I'm not alone
I'm not alone
I am not alone
Whoa, oh, oh, oh
And when I touch your hand
It's then I understand
The beauty that's within
It's now that we begin
You always light my way
I hope there never comes a day
No matter where I go
I always feel you so
'Cause you're everywhere to me
And when I close my eyes it's you I see
You're everything I know
That makes me believe
I'm not alone
'Cause you're everywhere to me
And when I catch my breath
It's you I breathe
You're everything I know
That makes me believe
I'm not alone
You're in everyone I see
So tell me
Do you see me?
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April
Joined: 17 Nov 2015, 16:32

25 Sep 2017, 21:35 #170

stefwah wrote:
Very interesting song. The lyrics sound like a one on one personal confession with very honest and emotional feelings. It very easy to empathize with her point of view here. The melody in parts sounds very retro, like something from 1950s rock, but with a rhythm typical of a lot of modern pop songs. 
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