Photomanipping Tips & Discussion

Theyton
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2:42 PM - Oct 15, 2010 #1

I thought it would be interesting to start a thread where we share our techniques or advice when it comes to photomanipping. Just a general discussion. Everyone welcome.

For instance, what do you guys do when it comes to cutting around/erasing hair or creating realistic hair so it doesn't look like a blob?

Another question I have is what do you look for in a photo that makes you decide if it's conjoinable? What features or elements are important for a good manip?

Is there anything you do specifically that you think others might find interesting? What do you think is the hardest procedure?


To get things discussions rolling I'll share a little tip I do when it comes to hair. I use Photoshop so I don't know if there are similar tools but let's say you need to erase or cut around some hair. You are then left with a perfect cut around which looks fake or the hair just fades away which looks horrible. If there are any parts like this I get a Smudge tool which allows you to pull and push parts of the photo (making hips wider, getting rid of bumps on clothing, making noses longer, etc) and I change the brush size to something very small say 2 or 3 and just start pulling the edges of the hair out creating each strand.

Follow the direction of the hair and once complete is semi-realistic hair with slight fuzz where a straight cut out would be.

An example if this being used is on the photo EufratAriel: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/doctormercur...ount=20&dir=asc

The part where the red hair and the brown begin to intersect is where the smuding begins. Ariel's red hair was just a blur.


Any other tips?
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12:55 PM - Oct 17, 2010 #2

Before additing anything, let me just link this pic you did for the benefit of anyone else who hasn't seen your gallery:
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/5198520/sn/80...AshleyJuggs.jpg

Is there a larger version of it somewhere else? Great job!

Before setting out to morph any pictures, I will point this out: getting started is the toughest part. Get over the fact that little or no experience. That did not stop you from losing your virginity (I hope).

Part of getting started is the very important key thing: finding good source material. To me, this means finding pictures that are in poses that would allow me to join them rather easily, like pieces of a puzzle. I don't like spending more than a day on a morph, I don't have that much time to begin with, and I think I have finished almost all of my morphs within two hours (sometimes it shows unfortunately). They key is finding good source material, one of the hardest things to do, unless you're looking at thumbnail series. After that, it's all about cutting, clipping, smudging and adjusting for brightness/colors etc. I would recommend beginners to start out with simple photos that feel like puzzle pieces, and work from there. The rest simply follows.


I think hair is the #1 single toughest thing to work on. I generally try to find source pics where hair will not "get in the way" too much, so now I look for pictures with short hair or maybe parted to the side or tied up in some pony tail. Here is an example:


Otherwise, I tend to end up with unrealistic looking photos like


I have tried all the things Theyton mentioned, even splitting hairs one by one. Sometimes it works for me, sometimes it doesn't. I play it by ear.

Recently I have found that making morphs of drawings (anime, hentai or other) to be much easier to work with, here is an example of that (can you "feel" how the original has the "pieces of a puzzle" feel to it?):
Original image:

Morphed image:

I find that they are easier to work with because you don't have to worry about it looking as "realistic" as with working with human morphs (they are drawings, after all!)

In summary, this is not an easy thing to do. Looking back at all the images I've done I have certainly churned out a bunch of crap, but every now and then I come up with something I really like. If you're starting out, I recommend you pic animated pics or source pics of humans as described earlier
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7:45 PM - Oct 18, 2010 #3

I know what you mean and there are certain images that fit together. With experience it becomes easier to see what two will fit and what ones will not. I generally go for galleries featuring one model because then you have the same background, same lighting and same body tones. When it comes to two-heads, one-body, two-breasts I look for photos where the heads tilt in opposite directions.

What's harder is finding two different models. Usually the porn industry is unimaginative so you'll probably find two images from different models of the same pose making it easier. Then there's interracial conjoinment.


I agree manipping drawings is much easier. For a start they usually consist of a small arrange of colors and any filling in of skin or clothing can be done by hand.


Also, a larger version of that image can be found on the yahoo group here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/doctormercur...art=181&dir=asc

Just click ORIGINAL size in the top left.
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4:20 AM - Oct 19, 2010 #4

Theyton @ Oct 18 2010, 02:45 PM wrote:
Just click ORIGINAL size in the top left.

thanks!
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10:27 PM - Oct 19, 2010 #5

Great thread! I learned a couple things here. First, I agree that getting hair right is often the toughest thing to do. If I can, I grab bits and pieces from different images in the series and paste them in so that they're aren't any rough edges (I don't know if it's a lot, but sometimes I end up with like 20 layers doing it this way). I've never used the smudge tool technique, but it sounds pretty good. I'll have to give it a try!

As far as different heads go, I'll sometimes start out with a series of pictures of the same model, and create a double header where both heads are the same. Then I'll find heads of other models that I just lay over the originals that will look natural, and erase around them, sometimes even using the original's hair and neck.

Another thing I learned here was that you can see pictures in original size in the photos section of yahoo groups! I've been posting my pics in the files section since I didn't know there was a full size option in photos. Might have to give that a try as well!

Thanks for starting this thread and for the tips!!
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9:07 AM - Oct 20, 2010 #6

That's actually a really good way of doing different heads! If you find two models with the same hair color that makes life easier. Something else I do which I'm sure you do as well is when you have two different heads and then crop out one half of the body and change the color to look like two bodies fused together.

So, it's the same body but one half is a different pigment.

This was done here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/doctormercur...art=221&dir=asc

Here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/doctormercur...art=181&dir=asc

Here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/doctormercur...art=181&dir=asc

It was tricky but here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/doctormercur...ount=20&dir=asc
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10:14 PM - Oct 20, 2010 #7

hehe kudos on calling that picture "Racism", made me laugh.

And i'm guessing this is another very fine example of what you mentioned, want to share it with everyone:


I also have tried at some point the whole grab bits and pieces of hair from different photos or even the same photo and pasting them in hopes of making it look realistic, I just didn't remember to post it.
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10:34 PM - Oct 20, 2010 #8

Find it!

Also, what do you think of interracial conjoinment? What's your approach?
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2:18 AM - Oct 21, 2010 #9

I avoid it! No but seriously, I have never pulled that off properly unless they're clothed.
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4:16 AM - Oct 23, 2010 #10

Ok, just posted some samples of what I was talking about to my group.

Here's an ordinary double header I did first: Mica

And here's a second one where I overlayed a different head over one of the originals: Mica and Paris

I also used the cut and past method on the left head's hair. In the original, there's a part at ear level where the hair is kind of blurred (I didn't notice it the first time I saved it). I took the original hair, enlarged it, then pasted in it to make it look more natural.
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