Fire into Ice

revin
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July 19th, 2015, 1:49 pm #1

In recent years, we have come to see what a typical planetary system really means. As far as we know, this generally excludes most of the planetary types seen in our own Solar System. No neatly sorted terrestrial and gaseous planets; little spacing between inner planets; and, occasionally, hot Jupiters. While it is certainly easier to detect planets with a much shorter orbital period, this does not excuse the problem that in fact a seemingly disproportionate number of stars seem to have tidally locked planets with orbital periods of a few days. Even the star Gliese 674, just 15 light years away, is orbited by a planet of this type. Clearly, we are the exception.

Protoplanetary disks tend to be fairly dense closer to their parent stars, according to the simple laws of gravity. It should logically follow that several protoplanets form with extremely rapid periods during the early years of the planetary system. Many systems tend to retain as many as five full-sized planets within 1 AU of their star, most within the orbit of Mercury. Our Solar System lacks a single asteroid within Mercury's orbit.

Perhaps this has not always been the case, though. This is the story of the lost worlds of our Solar System.
After the Sun sparked into light, after the Earth acquired its moon, after the moons around the other planets began to form; there were still two worlds inside the orbit of Mercury: Vagans and Fervens.

Fervens, from the Latin for fiery, was normally the innermost of the three worlds and about 0.1 times Earth's mass. It was a rocky world with its atmosphere stripped away by solar radiation, orbiting the Sun in only 11 days and tidally locked to the Sun. Outside Fervens' orbit, there was Vagans (wandering, stray), a geologically active world 1.1 times Earth's mass. It orbited the Sun in 14 days, another tidally locked world. Mercury itself lay essentially in its present day position, semi-tidally locked in an 88 day orbit.

Vagans and Fervens, located in the same orbital plane, had overlapping orbits. Fervens' orbit was elliptical enough to be further from the Sun than Vagans for a day or two of each orbit. Thus far, they had managed not to collide due the vastness of space. But on astronomical timescales, such a collision was unavoidable.

Anticipating the collision for millions upon millions of years, it finally occurred. The impact occurred when Fervens was on its swift inwards trajectory towards the Sun. It was a grazing impact on Vagans, but enough to destroy Fervens. The velocity of Fervens severely disturbed Vagans, sending it very close to the Sun. Just a couple million kilometers away, Vagans got as near to the Sun as it would ever get, before entering a hyperbolic orbit and getting flung outwards as high velocity.

In fact, Vagans was forcefully flung out that it was sent out of the Solar System. Not long afterwards, a close encounter with Jupiter and Saturn made it pick up speed. It had no star. Vagans had become a rogue planet. This world, without light, could not possibly have plants. Without a star, any organisms that might arise on it would be unable to see. Looking out into the depths of space, it would be impossible to find. But rogue does not mean lifeless.
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Abacaba
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July 24th, 2015, 4:23 am #2

Looks interesting! I'm curious to see how your organisms get energy. (Maybe similar to some Archaea?)

I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that the consensus is that Mercury's lack of a mantle was caused by a series of glancing impacts rather than a single head-on collision, but I still like the story.

Looking forward to updates!
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Bigworld: An infinite expanse of nutrient-filled air, without gravity. Life expands out from a single point, devouring everything.
2D World: A 2D world with realistic inverse distance forces.
What.: Life in a pulsar planet, and how it deals with the absolute hideousness of the environment.
Horizons: Life and physics in an extremely hyperbolic universe. Inspired by Greg Egan's Orthogonal trilogy.
Newton: A universe with Newtonian physics.
Lamarckia: A world where, somehow, Lamarckism works.
Endless: The world is flat, and all the many consequences.
Flung: Life in a less hostile version of space.
Alternis Vita: Building a 2 dimensional cell from the ground up, and exploring complex regulatory shorthands.
Skyless: Water world with no magnetic field and little atmosphere, and how life has managed to make the most of this.
Expansion: The evolution of artificial intelligence as it spreads across the Local Group.
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revin
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July 24th, 2015, 1:15 pm #3

Yes, the entire base of the food chain is chemical. Although consumers still exist, of course.

Hmm… I wasn't aware of this. Although to have so many objects hitting it seems unlikely.

Also, I drew a map projection of Vagant. Although I felt like making it in Latin for no apparent reason, and when I took a photo of it, it somehow got worse quality.



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Abacaba
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July 24th, 2015, 4:42 pm #4

Lord Marcellus wrote:Hmm… I wasn't aware of this. Although to have so many objects hitting it seems unlikely.
Well, there were a large number of proto-planets in the solar system, so there were a lot of other chances for an object similar to mercury to appear.

What are the white and blue areas in your map?
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Geese are crustaceans -Tet

They get rid of their children by exploding their eyes. -Inceptis

THE CORGODILE -Mr. Sir

Dentists use their Secret Tooth Powers to obtain forbidden knowledge and blackmail the world governments. -Mr Mysterio

THE OPABINIA HAVE ESCAPED AND ARE SCOOPING PEOPLES EYES OUT! -ÐK

I've said it before and I'll say it again: We're in the middle of a vast maelstrom of interstellar warfare, unaware of the currents of destruction around us. What we pick up are short emergency bursts. Something out there is plunging our galaxy into chaos and all we can do is listen to the scraps we can detect, oblivious to the carnage that is threatening to consume all life in our universe.

I choose to believe. -Flisch
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Hermes: Planet with 3:2 spin-orbit resonance.
Tumble: Planet with 90º axial tilt.
Horseshoe: Planet in horseshoe orbit around a binary star.
Lagrange: Planet in Lagrange point of a binary star.
Not Tatooine: Planet in orbit around a red dwarf in orbit around a sun-like star, tidally locked to the dwarf.
Plant Planet: Earth without animals, and the various ways plants and fungi evolve without pressure from them.
Bigworld: An infinite expanse of nutrient-filled air, without gravity. Life expands out from a single point, devouring everything.
2D World: A 2D world with realistic inverse distance forces.
What.: Life in a pulsar planet, and how it deals with the absolute hideousness of the environment.
Horizons: Life and physics in an extremely hyperbolic universe. Inspired by Greg Egan's Orthogonal trilogy.
Newton: A universe with Newtonian physics.
Lamarckia: A world where, somehow, Lamarckism works.
Endless: The world is flat, and all the many consequences.
Flung: Life in a less hostile version of space.
Alternis Vita: Building a 2 dimensional cell from the ground up, and exploring complex regulatory shorthands.
Skyless: Water world with no magnetic field and little atmosphere, and how life has managed to make the most of this.
Expansion: The evolution of artificial intelligence as it spreads across the Local Group.
The World is Flat: Society and evolution on a horosphere
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July 24th, 2015, 9:11 pm #5

How does the planet keep itself warm though?
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July 24th, 2015, 9:51 pm #6

malicious-monkey wrote:How does the planet keep itself warm though?
The planet could retain a sizable amount of heat in the core, and generate heat via radioactive decay. It depends on how much light Vagant gives off and how long it has been around.
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Geese are crustaceans -Tet

They get rid of their children by exploding their eyes. -Inceptis

THE CORGODILE -Mr. Sir

Dentists use their Secret Tooth Powers to obtain forbidden knowledge and blackmail the world governments. -Mr Mysterio

THE OPABINIA HAVE ESCAPED AND ARE SCOOPING PEOPLES EYES OUT! -ÐK

I've said it before and I'll say it again: We're in the middle of a vast maelstrom of interstellar warfare, unaware of the currents of destruction around us. What we pick up are short emergency bursts. Something out there is plunging our galaxy into chaos and all we can do is listen to the scraps we can detect, oblivious to the carnage that is threatening to consume all life in our universe.

I choose to believe. -Flisch
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Hermes: Planet with 3:2 spin-orbit resonance.
Tumble: Planet with 90º axial tilt.
Horseshoe: Planet in horseshoe orbit around a binary star.
Lagrange: Planet in Lagrange point of a binary star.
Not Tatooine: Planet in orbit around a red dwarf in orbit around a sun-like star, tidally locked to the dwarf.
Plant Planet: Earth without animals, and the various ways plants and fungi evolve without pressure from them.
Bigworld: An infinite expanse of nutrient-filled air, without gravity. Life expands out from a single point, devouring everything.
2D World: A 2D world with realistic inverse distance forces.
What.: Life in a pulsar planet, and how it deals with the absolute hideousness of the environment.
Horizons: Life and physics in an extremely hyperbolic universe. Inspired by Greg Egan's Orthogonal trilogy.
Newton: A universe with Newtonian physics.
Lamarckia: A world where, somehow, Lamarckism works.
Endless: The world is flat, and all the many consequences.
Flung: Life in a less hostile version of space.
Alternis Vita: Building a 2 dimensional cell from the ground up, and exploring complex regulatory shorthands.
Skyless: Water world with no magnetic field and little atmosphere, and how life has managed to make the most of this.
Expansion: The evolution of artificial intelligence as it spreads across the Local Group.
The World is Flat: Society and evolution on a horosphere
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July 24th, 2015, 10:53 pm #7

malicious-monkey wrote:How does the planet keep itself warm though?
The fact is, it doesn't, that is, not very well. Much of the ocean is frozen over, but Vagant partially compensates for this with a lot of geological activity, including hydrothermal vents, which support most life forms. Also volcanoes on Vagant warm it up, considering that unlike Earth it doesn't matter at all whether it blocks out light. It also has an extremely carbon dioxide-rich atmosphere. And yes, radioactive decay plays a major role too.

So life forms here are very cold-tolerant, but the land temperature almost always is below freezing, meaning that (I haven't decided this yet) there will be none or at most very few terrestrial life forms.

Oh, and also, as viewed from space, Vagant is invisible. Completely black, except in the infrared, because it has very little light to reflect off it.
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With personal experience as a raven, I am a major proponent of conserving all corvid species at all costs. Save the endangered Mariana crow here.
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July 26th, 2015, 2:03 pm #8

Update from last post: Almost all life forms are deep sea. The ones that aren't rely on relatively high-elevation hydrothermal vents. So no terrestrial life on this planet, which interestingly enough is primarily land by surface area.
I tend to get dis– Hey, look, an elephant!
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Fire into Ice, a project about life on a rogue planet ejected from our own Solar System. Check it out!

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With personal experience as a raven, I am a major proponent of conserving all corvid species at all costs. Save the endangered Mariana crow here.
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July 27th, 2015, 10:40 pm #9

Abacaba wrote:What are the white and blue areas in your map?
Oh, white is land and blue is water. See some discussion I had about it on the wiki.

Also, the next update will entail the history of Vagant. Or at least the first part of it.
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Myxini
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Myxini
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Joined: January 22nd, 2014, 4:57 pm

August 3rd, 2015, 11:38 am #10

I'm curious to know if you would find any extremophiles- even on a bacterial level- on the terrestrial parts of the planet. It seems rather surprising that there would be no terrestrial life whatsoever.
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