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August 17th, 2018, 11:09 am #8801

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DocVOLiday wrote: Democrats are starting to remind me of South Carolina football fans.  After they lose the special election in Ohio last night they are declaring victory because it was close.  You guys still lost, like usual.  They should yell "Go Cocks!" after their next moral victory.  
I don't even recognize the Democratic Party anymore … they moved so far left …. and for the first time ever in my life, I rooted for a Republican to win … Troy Balderson ….
Yeah, I think the Dems are going to blow it yet again.  The socialist are taking over and even someone who despises Trump as much as I do is not ready to vote for a socialist. It really ticks me off too.  I want a sound alternative.  If the Dems had a lick of sense they would get rid of Pelosi, get a good moderate and bill themselves as the responsible party.  The adults in the room.  Instead it looks like the primary voters have decided the future is socialism which almost guarantees a Trump re-election.  
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August 18th, 2018, 5:29 am #8802

The money likes Pelosi so Pelosi stays.

Honestly, I think the Democrats are in trouble too.  They'll pick up some seats in the mid terms but by the time Trump is up for re-election they will be struggling.  Here is why:

1.  I've mentioned that I run a lot with millenials.  We run for hours so the conversations go on and on.  They don't like Trump, but they are very apathetic about the guy.  There is no motivation to deal with him.  The Dems have to run somebody that speaks to the youth vote.  
2.  I mentioned the money above, and it's killing them.  The Dems need to stand up for working America in real and tangible ways.  Quit it with the BS feel good stuff and tackle how middle America is getting left behind.  Education, good jobs, QOL, etc.  Basically, get off Wall Street and get back on main street.

It's that simple:  Run a young free thinker and work for the common people not the bankers, but they can't do it.  It's more Pelosi and social issues.  
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August 20th, 2018, 1:45 pm #8803

The R's are going to get smashed in November. Just utterly smashed.

History, polling, historically unpopular President and many other factors point to it. Not a secret.

Pelosi is very effective at governing, but has a bad "brand." They do need to move on from her and find some younger faces.
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August 21st, 2018, 4:39 am #8804

I heard a theory on the drive in that is interesting.  Jo Scarbaugh and Bill Kristol were discussing how they are hearing from some near Trump that he has no intention to run for a second term.  He wants to get back to making money and can leverage the Presidency to rake in the cash after his term is over.  It could explain some of his scorched earth type tweets and his complete pandering to the 33% that worship him.   Personally I don't buy it.  I think he is a narcissist and will run if for no other reason to prove he can win as he only talks about his last victory over and over again at his rallies.   I just found it interesting.

As for the Democrats the last thing they need to assume is this thing is in the bag.  If they embrace socialism they lose.  They desperately need a charismatic moderate to win over the normal people like Nut who realizes that Trump is a little unhinged.  I think I have mentioned this here before but I really am saddened at the loss of JFK jr.  I know that was a long time ago but he could have been the charismatic guy to unite the party and country. In a way though the fact that the best possible Democratic candidate I can think of died years ago tells you everything you need to know about the DNC these days.  
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August 21st, 2018, 5:39 am #8805

Real-  I've stopped betting against Trump.

Fan-  I'm with you.  I think he is definitely running again.  I do wonder if he gives a shit about the Republican Party and midterms though.  
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August 21st, 2018, 6:10 am #8806

History is consistent with what happens in the first of year election of a first term President, and this is the most unpopular one ever recorded.

The enthusiasm gap is massive and it's growing.
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August 21st, 2018, 6:17 am #8807

I will say I am hearing more and more from my patients a growing concern for the recklessness on twitter.  These are patients who voted for Trump and still can not stand Hillary or the Democrats.  I do not see these people voting for a Democrat ever but I can see them not voting at all.   Considering the razor thin margin of victory Trump had to have to win while losing the popular vote their absence at the ballot box will matter.  Well, maybe not here in Tennessee but in states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Ohio, etc.  

What is the most crazy to me is all of Trump's issues are completely self inflicted.  If he would have just stayed of twitter I think he would be rolling right now.  Normally whoever presides over good economic numbers reaps the rewards.  He just can't help himself.  
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August 21st, 2018, 6:32 am #8808

Trump loves the chaos
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August 21st, 2018, 6:34 am #8809

Real- I agree, but I think even after a bad midterm he survives and gets re-elected.  Sort of like I don't bet against Bama.
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August 21st, 2018, 6:59 am #8810

The list of Trump scandals is long … here are some …

Sexual-Assault Allegations
Where and when: Various, 1970s-2005

The Beauty Pageant Scandals 
Where and when: Various, 1992-present

Racial Housing Discrimination  
Where and when: New York City, 1973-1975

Mafia Ties  
Where and when: New York and Atlantic City, 1970s- ?

Trump University  
Where and when: 2005-2010, online

Tenant Intimidation  
Where and when: New York City, 1982-1986

The Four Bankruptcies  
Where and when: 1991, 1992, 2004, 2009

The Undocumented Polish Workers  
Where and when: New York City, 1980

Alleged Marital Rape  
Where and when: New York City, 1989

Breaking Casino Rules  
Where and when: New York and New Jersey, various

Antitrust Violations  
Where and when: New Jersey, 1986


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ls/474726/


even the  "  me too " movement couldn't bring him down … Trump is the true Teflon man …. nothing sticks to him ….
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August 21st, 2018, 9:00 am #8811

He lost the popular vote by three million.

He's less popular now than them, and by a substantial number.

People are overcomplicating it.
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August 22nd, 2018, 8:20 am #8812

What does everyone think about the guilty verdict and plea deal yesterday?  Is it the end of Trump?

I have to admit that I have not been following these cases very closely.
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August 22nd, 2018, 9:10 am #8813

I think for any other President it would be the end.  His lawyer just confessed that Candidate Trump told him to pay off an affair with money hidden from campaign finance laws.  The only defense Trump can use at this point is Cohen is making this up to save his hide but Cohen has the receipts. It is about as bad as it can get because this draws into focus the legitimacy of his Presidency.  Any other President would be impeached but I bet we will see the "lock her up" party suddenly become very forgiving.  I hate the hypocrisy of it all. 
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August 22nd, 2018, 12:27 pm #8814

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This is trumps whole attitude …

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August 25th, 2018, 6:06 pm #8815

RIP John McCain. I do think he was a Patriot. My Dad was stationed at Clark AFB in the PI from '71-'74, I spent three years of my young life living there. When the POW's were released, we all went down to meet them. I just finished playing baseball and all I had for them to sign was my glove. I wish I still had that glove, it was lost over time.  
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August 25th, 2018, 7:37 pm #8816

I agree. He really is a man who served his country his whole life. A true statesman. We need more men and women like him.
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August 26th, 2018, 3:03 am #8817

About as good as there was today in politics.

That said, I'll never forgive him for bringing the likes of Sarah Palin into our national politics. That was the time when the switch got flipped from needing to be a serious person to succeed with the GOP to not.

Lots of our current situation goes back to that moment.
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August 26th, 2018, 6:52 am #8818

That's very true
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August 27th, 2018, 4:16 am #8819

Palin will be his biggest failure and did really start the whole "the politically dumber the better" movement that has ended with Trump.  

Speaking of Trump I listened again to MSNBC on the drive in and Andrea Mitchell was shocked that despite this terrible week for the President with Manafort and Cohen the base for Trump is polling even higher than they did one week ago.   I am surprised the liberals are shocked by this.  Clinton was more popular after his impeachment as well . In these days of tribalism it does not matter if laws were broken, only that you are attacking "our" guy.  
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August 27th, 2018, 5:34 am #8820

I have heard the term tribalism bantered around quite a bit lately …. and the trouble with that term , as well as all other labels , is that once someone is labeled ,  people don't take the time to know who you really are …. or what you really think … they see you in the simplest of terms … and most people are complexed in their ideas, views , and beliefs …. 
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August 27th, 2018, 5:47 am #8821

Fair enough.  I think labels have contributed to tribalism so using the term tribalism creates more tribalism.  Damn, it is like political Inception.   I am starting to understand how someone can despite Trump but still feel he is better of for them personally.   For example, my Taxes were pretty bad last year, like taking money off a line of credit on my mortgage bad.  A big part of it is the way the loan forgiveness from the Army is shown as personal income to me.  I felt a little duped.  "Join the Army, serve your country and we will pay off your student debt.   And, Oh, by the way, we are going to get all that money we just gave you to pay off your student debt back in taxes!"   Frustrating.  This year my accountant has shown under the new tax plan I will be fine.  Break even at 25% withholding which is good enough.  I do pay a lot in taxes and that is a good thing.  Now, the Democrats, who I want to win because I despite Trump as a human being, are already saying the first thing they are going to do if there is a blue wave in November is repeal the tax cuts.  I hate to admit it but the tax cuts seem to be helping the economy.  Joblessness is down and my 401k is rocking.  I am now torn about voting for me and my families best interest or voting against an asshole.   I wish Trump made a little effort to not be such an ass!
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August 27th, 2018, 5:48 am #8822

er..  btw, the computer changed despise to despite above if that helps it make more sense.  Damn spellchecker. 
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August 27th, 2018, 6:36 am #8823

Repeal the tax cuts?  Geez that's dumb.
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August 27th, 2018, 11:42 am #8824

DocVOLiday wrote: Fair enough.  I think labels have contributed to tribalism so using the term tribalism creates more tribalism.  Damn, it is like political Inception.  
don't get me wrong …. I think you are one of the most level headed and fair minded posters on this board …… and I always value your opinion ….
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