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February 6th, 2018, 6:20 am #8751

DocVOLiday wrote: .   Surely the party bosses do not think it is good for them to keep losing?  
Would the people controlling the party prefer a Republican in the Oval Office or Bernie Sanders?  Bernie would blow up Wall Street's influence.  Probably to the detriment of the country.  

I bet the Republicans would rather have Hillary in office than Trump.
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February 11th, 2018, 7:37 am #8752

Sorry I have not been around the last few days.  All I can say is pray for our country and our troops.
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February 11th, 2018, 7:43 pm #8753

DocVOLiday wrote: Sorry I have not been around the last few days.  All I can say is pray for our country and our troops for the next 30 days.  Please.  
absolutely.  will do. 
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February 12th, 2018, 4:29 am #8754

Thanks man.   I edited my post a little just to make it a bit more vague.   I am a little distraught.   I was unaware of the President's war powers resolutions.   Apparently my 90 day boots on the ground policy can be torn up in front of me and I can be mobilized or deployed for the duration of the conflict plus 6 months.  There is no stop gap in place, yet, so I might could resign my commission but I do not want to be the guy who took so much from the Army and then when war hits exits stage left.   My hope is most of what they are scaring us with is just the Army always being prepared for everything and nothing else.  
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February 16th, 2018, 4:23 am #8755

I feel the need to separate something here even though only a few people will ever see it.  As always after a gun shooting the Dems are blaming the guns and the RNC is blaming mental illness.  It will end with nothing being done, just "thoughts and prayers" because you can't blame God for this right?   Anyway, the only point I feel is worth noting is the Republicans keep saying these shooters are pure evil AND mentally ill.  I don't think it is there intent to conflate the two things but could be harmful to my mentally ill patients.   There is pure evil and history is full of examples of men and women who knew the difference between right and wrong and chose to do wrong.   Mental illness by definition is the opposite.  Individuals who have no idea what is right and wrong and only live in the immediate emotion.   I am concerned if we start painting the mentally ill has all being evil we will go back to the days where they were considered demon possessed and all locked away and abused somewhere.  

BTW, if you do want to discuss mental illness in this context someone needs to point out that in my career of 14 years (including residency) the resources for taking care of mental illness has dried up.  Since there is no money to be made from taking care of the mentally ill most hospitals have eliminated their psych wards.  All the huge mental residencies like Moccasin Bend in Chattanooga are shuttered up and closed.  Most mentally ill patients are managed now by an outpatient psychiatrist or primary care doc who prescribe them medication which they are notoriously bad at taking.  If the Republicans sincerely feel this is a mental health issue then they need to free up some money to figure out the best way to care for these patients.   It may be as simple as having home health show up to their homes daily to ensure they are taking their medications and not homicidal that day.  
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February 16th, 2018, 6:08 am #8756

I grew up hunting and shooting guns, and I'm fairly serious about protecting freedoms.  With that said, I don't have a problem with gun control in general.  My problem is I don't think it will work to stop these school shootings.  It might help decrease gun deaths related to crimes though.  

So, why do I think it won't stop school shootings?  I don't see anything strong enough to make an impact not violating the constitution, and I don't see anywhere near the support necessary for a constitutional amendment.  Also, I don't think support for gun control shows up at the ballot box.

None of this will happen, but here are my ideas:

1. Bring back mental hospitals with a lot of oversight.  People like the latest shooter should have been locked up.  This will cost a lot, but it's worth it.
2. Create a gun safety class that must be taken before someone can buy a gun.  You don't have to pass a test, but you have to attend.  This also serves as a waiting period.
3. We need to look into why we are growing mass shooters.  This one ain't pretty.  A good starting point is why are AR-15s the most popular gun in America?  They suck for hunting and protection, so why do so many people want one?  It feels creepy to type this, but they also aren't all that great for a school shooting.  It's something to do with feeling tough, but we need to understand what happened that people thing a gun that looks tactical makes them tough.  As dumb as it sounds, maybe we need to ban guns that look tactical.

A couple weird things I've noticed about mass shooters:
1. They are mental midgets.  Aurora theater shooter is an exception.  
2. They choose guns for dramatic effect and want to see their victims.   They don't get a deer rifle and pick people off from a distance.
3. They don't plan an escape.  

The guy in Las Vegas is the outlier.  
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February 16th, 2018, 6:24 am #8757

I agree with your plan.  I would add, much to my chagrin btw, that maybe there should be some sort of professional clearance for buying a gun.  Your PCP or psychiatrist would just have to sign a simple statement that they feel at the current time you are not a risk to yourself or others.  I say that reluctantly because it would be yet more paperwork for us PCP's and could become a legal issue if that person does misuse the gun but for guys like this one I doubt any medical professional would have cleared him to purchase a weapon.  
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February 26th, 2018, 9:07 am #8758

If I posted every dumb thing Trump said I would not be able to work but this one today is a doozy:  
"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon, and I think most of the people in this room would have done that, too," Trump told a group of state governors gathered at the White House for talks on multiple issues.
So Mr "bone spur" draft dodger feels like he would be GI Joe.  Riiiiiiiiiight.   

That being said now that my wife is working full time again we are getting raped in Taxes.   I did not realize this but apparently if your household makes over 385 grand a year you are in the top 1%.   I thought that number would be higher.  I also thought I would drive a cooler car it I were in the top 1%.   So apparently, I should benefit quite a bit next year with the new tax code.  It will be kind of a shallow victory knowing the debt it is passing on to my kids though.  
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February 27th, 2018, 8:55 am #8759

Trump has appointed his 2020 campaign manager.  Sadly for me, this means he is running for re-election.  He named Brad Pascale the manager, and I found this article about it interesting.  
Parscale is one of the few people to have worked alongside Trump since the earliest days of his primary campaign in 2015. New to politics, he approached campaign advertising as he had buying digital ads for commercial clients in Texas, where he spent the majority of his career.

This unconventional background received scrutiny from both sides of the aisle during the election cycle. In August 2016, headlines skeptically noted that while the Clinton campaign had already spent $52 million on television ads, the Trump campaign had spent precisely zero on television. In Republican campaign circles, some critics viewed Parscale’s political inexperience as a liability that could set the party back.
But as history books will show, Parscale’s digital-first approach created an entirely new playbook for how campaigns could be run far more economically, but with even greater reach, via platforms like Facebook. The strategy was born in part by instinct and in part by necessity; the campaign ran on a shoestring budget, with Trump not soliciting donations until after he had clinched the Republican party's nomination. By election day, however, the Trump campaign had drastically outspent the Clinton campaign in Facebook advertising.

As Parscale told WIRED shortly after the election, "Facebook and Twitter were the reason we won this thing. Twitter for Mr. Trump. And Facebook for fundraising."
I feel like this is the part where Trump the Populist whips the DNC's ass.  
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February 27th, 2018, 9:29 am #8760

I will be honest, as unstable and chaotic as this Presidency has been I could see him getting re-elected.  The Dems seem so loyal to Nancy Pelosi who is a liability to them at this point and if I am honest I do not see a single viable candidate on that side.   Can you think of anyone?  
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March 23rd, 2018, 4:18 am #8761

I have been amused, embarrassed and disgusted during this Presidency but for the first time I am sincerely afraid.  Replacing General McMaster with that warmongering John Bolton, the architect of the Iraq war, as national security advisor can only mean Trump is not interested at all in diplomacy with North Korea and intends to invade.   I am F#*$ed.   Seriously.  Duration of the war plus 6 moths F*%&ed.  War with North Korea is seriously a bad idea and will likely result in millions dead, tens of thousands of our own.  I wonder how the people who craved a reality show President over a competent one will feel when their kids are drafted and die for Trump's lunacy.   I am not being paranoid either.  The draft was mentioned more than once when I was prepping Fort McCoy to clear soldiers.  I am sincerely depressed today.  
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March 23rd, 2018, 4:35 am #8762

Dealing with N Korea never ends up like we think it will.  

I'm glad the Olympics and perhaps Trumps hardline brought NK to the table for talks, but now that their talking I'm worried.   So far Trump has been a lot of hot air and bluffing.  Hopefully that continues and this thing blows over.
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March 23rd, 2018, 4:39 am #8763

My wife does a lot of work with people in China, and Wednesday their phone calls kept dropping and a few emails never made it to their intended recipient,  She found out today that it was the Chinese government pushing back because of the trade war talk.  
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March 23rd, 2018, 4:46 am #8764

Pissing off China right before we might be invading North Korea is a head scratcher.   Someone needs to read their history books and look at what happened the first time we invaded NK.  
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March 23rd, 2018, 5:00 am #8765

I think NK and China are so entwined that this is all connected.   

China's economy is wobbly right now and they are propping it up with currency moves.  That is their vulnerable spot.  It's all brinkmanship, and let's be honest, Trump scares us and probably scares them even more.
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March 23rd, 2018, 5:26 am #8766

That is the only positive with Trump if he is not crazy.  Obama was predictable.  Trump is anything but.  
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March 23rd, 2018, 5:44 am #8767

Trump learned to negotiate in real estate and he is very good at it.  His tactic is to be brash and erratic to shake his adversary's confidence.  It's a great tactic and he seems to be great at it.  The problem is when it doesn't work with a real estate deal he can just walk away, but I don't think it's the same with foreign policy.  You can see his tactic all the time on US policy and congress.  He makes a lot of noise, but if he hits a wall he simply drops the issue and does something else.  Healthcare is the perfect example.
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March 30th, 2018, 4:22 am #8768

Another observation lately.   I have been listening to MSNBC on the drive in.   It mainly started because it was the only one that actually had content in the 12-15 minute drive from 6:45-7.    All the other stations including my beloved POTUS seem to compress all their commercials at the end of the hour and I got sick of just listening to commercials.  

Anyway, MSNBC obviously is pretty liberal and it is interesting getting that perspective.  It really is not as partisan as Fox but they really dislike the President.  They do, for the most part, make reasonable arguments about so many issues of the day and they remind me of a college football team whose plan looks good on paper but are going to fail miserably on game day.   For example, they assume Americans are turning on this administration due to the chaos and the horrible, mean, unprofessional tweets.   In reality when I talk to my patients I am finding they love it.  The more mean Trump is to someone the more they love him.   I still don't think the Democrats realize how much red state Americans hate the government and hate liberals.  It is not reasonable, it is emotional.   The libs on MSNBC are expecting just an absolute wipeout in the fall and I think they are, once again, going to be shocked.  
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March 31st, 2018, 6:14 am #8769

Every soecial election since the 16 has had Demanding overperformong by staggering margins, including some of the most conservative areas of the country.

Everything is trending doe the largest Wipeout by the controlling party since 94.
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March 31st, 2018, 6:58 am #8770

Generally mid term elections go against the siting president's party.  The question is how far they go against him.  Could be epic.

btw, remember Bill Clinton's first mid term election?  He got destroyed, but rebounded.  
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March 31st, 2018, 7:48 am #8771

Yes, because the experts and polls were so dead on correct in the initial election.  Freaking geniuses that hit the nail right on the head.  Amazing how well of a job they all did  ha ha

If anything I think Trump has given his supporters exactly what they wanted, and they are eating it up.  And a lot of liberals are doubling down on the behavior that drove people to vote for Trump in the first place.  H Clinton's India speech tops the cake, but there are many other examples.

I'm not saying he will win.  But I wouldn't assume the loss either.  And the polls and experts have been proven to be anything but.
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March 31st, 2018, 7:56 am #8772

2020 is a lifetime away. Nobody knows.

2018 is upon us. Don't look at polls, look at the results of the special elections. Look at history.

Another variable: Mueller. That investigation has netted quite a few indictments and guilty pleas. Is anyone confident - based on what's out there - in what's to come?
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