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February 6th, 2018, 6:20 am #8751

DocVOLiday wrote: .   Surely the party bosses do not think it is good for them to keep losing?  
Would the people controlling the party prefer a Republican in the Oval Office or Bernie Sanders?  Bernie would blow up Wall Street's influence.  Probably to the detriment of the country.  

I bet the Republicans would rather have Hillary in office than Trump.
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February 11th, 2018, 7:37 am #8752

Sorry I have not been around the last few days.  All I can say is pray for our country and our troops.
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February 11th, 2018, 7:43 pm #8753

DocVOLiday wrote: Sorry I have not been around the last few days.  All I can say is pray for our country and our troops for the next 30 days.  Please.  
absolutely.  will do. 
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February 12th, 2018, 4:29 am #8754

Thanks man.   I edited my post a little just to make it a bit more vague.   I am a little distraught.   I was unaware of the President's war powers resolutions.   Apparently my 90 day boots on the ground policy can be torn up in front of me and I can be mobilized or deployed for the duration of the conflict plus 6 months.  There is no stop gap in place, yet, so I might could resign my commission but I do not want to be the guy who took so much from the Army and then when war hits exits stage left.   My hope is most of what they are scaring us with is just the Army always being prepared for everything and nothing else.  
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February 16th, 2018, 4:23 am #8755

I feel the need to separate something here even though only a few people will ever see it.  As always after a gun shooting the Dems are blaming the guns and the RNC is blaming mental illness.  It will end with nothing being done, just "thoughts and prayers" because you can't blame God for this right?   Anyway, the only point I feel is worth noting is the Republicans keep saying these shooters are pure evil AND mentally ill.  I don't think it is there intent to conflate the two things but could be harmful to my mentally ill patients.   There is pure evil and history is full of examples of men and women who knew the difference between right and wrong and chose to do wrong.   Mental illness by definition is the opposite.  Individuals who have no idea what is right and wrong and only live in the immediate emotion.   I am concerned if we start painting the mentally ill has all being evil we will go back to the days where they were considered demon possessed and all locked away and abused somewhere.  

BTW, if you do want to discuss mental illness in this context someone needs to point out that in my career of 14 years (including residency) the resources for taking care of mental illness has dried up.  Since there is no money to be made from taking care of the mentally ill most hospitals have eliminated their psych wards.  All the huge mental residencies like Moccasin Bend in Chattanooga are shuttered up and closed.  Most mentally ill patients are managed now by an outpatient psychiatrist or primary care doc who prescribe them medication which they are notoriously bad at taking.  If the Republicans sincerely feel this is a mental health issue then they need to free up some money to figure out the best way to care for these patients.   It may be as simple as having home health show up to their homes daily to ensure they are taking their medications and not homicidal that day.  
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February 16th, 2018, 6:08 am #8756

I grew up hunting and shooting guns, and I'm fairly serious about protecting freedoms.  With that said, I don't have a problem with gun control in general.  My problem is I don't think it will work to stop these school shootings.  It might help decrease gun deaths related to crimes though.  

So, why do I think it won't stop school shootings?  I don't see anything strong enough to make an impact not violating the constitution, and I don't see anywhere near the support necessary for a constitutional amendment.  Also, I don't think support for gun control shows up at the ballot box.

None of this will happen, but here are my ideas:

1. Bring back mental hospitals with a lot of oversight.  People like the latest shooter should have been locked up.  This will cost a lot, but it's worth it.
2. Create a gun safety class that must be taken before someone can buy a gun.  You don't have to pass a test, but you have to attend.  This also serves as a waiting period.
3. We need to look into why we are growing mass shooters.  This one ain't pretty.  A good starting point is why are AR-15s the most popular gun in America?  They suck for hunting and protection, so why do so many people want one?  It feels creepy to type this, but they also aren't all that great for a school shooting.  It's something to do with feeling tough, but we need to understand what happened that people thing a gun that looks tactical makes them tough.  As dumb as it sounds, maybe we need to ban guns that look tactical.

A couple weird things I've noticed about mass shooters:
1. They are mental midgets.  Aurora theater shooter is an exception.  
2. They choose guns for dramatic effect and want to see their victims.   They don't get a deer rifle and pick people off from a distance.
3. They don't plan an escape.  

The guy in Las Vegas is the outlier.  
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February 16th, 2018, 6:24 am #8757

I agree with your plan.  I would add, much to my chagrin btw, that maybe there should be some sort of professional clearance for buying a gun.  Your PCP or psychiatrist would just have to sign a simple statement that they feel at the current time you are not a risk to yourself or others.  I say that reluctantly because it would be yet more paperwork for us PCP's and could become a legal issue if that person does misuse the gun but for guys like this one I doubt any medical professional would have cleared him to purchase a weapon.  
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February 26th, 2018, 9:07 am #8758

If I posted every dumb thing Trump said I would not be able to work but this one today is a doozy:  
"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon, and I think most of the people in this room would have done that, too," Trump told a group of state governors gathered at the White House for talks on multiple issues.
So Mr "bone spur" draft dodger feels like he would be GI Joe.  Riiiiiiiiiight.   

That being said now that my wife is working full time again we are getting raped in Taxes.   I did not realize this but apparently if your household makes over 385 grand a year you are in the top 1%.   I thought that number would be higher.  I also thought I would drive a cooler car it I were in the top 1%.   So apparently, I should benefit quite a bit next year with the new tax code.  It will be kind of a shallow victory knowing the debt it is passing on to my kids though.  
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February 27th, 2018, 8:55 am #8759

Trump has appointed his 2020 campaign manager.  Sadly for me, this means he is running for re-election.  He named Brad Pascale the manager, and I found this article about it interesting.  
Parscale is one of the few people to have worked alongside Trump since the earliest days of his primary campaign in 2015. New to politics, he approached campaign advertising as he had buying digital ads for commercial clients in Texas, where he spent the majority of his career.

This unconventional background received scrutiny from both sides of the aisle during the election cycle. In August 2016, headlines skeptically noted that while the Clinton campaign had already spent $52 million on television ads, the Trump campaign had spent precisely zero on television. In Republican campaign circles, some critics viewed Parscale’s political inexperience as a liability that could set the party back.
But as history books will show, Parscale’s digital-first approach created an entirely new playbook for how campaigns could be run far more economically, but with even greater reach, via platforms like Facebook. The strategy was born in part by instinct and in part by necessity; the campaign ran on a shoestring budget, with Trump not soliciting donations until after he had clinched the Republican party's nomination. By election day, however, the Trump campaign had drastically outspent the Clinton campaign in Facebook advertising.

As Parscale told WIRED shortly after the election, "Facebook and Twitter were the reason we won this thing. Twitter for Mr. Trump. And Facebook for fundraising."
I feel like this is the part where Trump the Populist whips the DNC's ass.  
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February 27th, 2018, 9:29 am #8760

I will be honest, as unstable and chaotic as this Presidency has been I could see him getting re-elected.  The Dems seem so loyal to Nancy Pelosi who is a liability to them at this point and if I am honest I do not see a single viable candidate on that side.   Can you think of anyone?  
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March 23rd, 2018, 4:18 am #8761

I have been amused, embarrassed and disgusted during this Presidency but for the first time I am sincerely afraid.  Replacing General McMaster with that warmongering John Bolton, the architect of the Iraq war, as national security advisor can only mean Trump is not interested at all in diplomacy with North Korea and intends to invade.   I am F#*$ed.   Seriously.  Duration of the war plus 6 moths F*%&ed.  War with North Korea is seriously a bad idea and will likely result in millions dead, tens of thousands of our own.  I wonder how the people who craved a reality show President over a competent one will feel when their kids are drafted and die for Trump's lunacy.   I am not being paranoid either.  The draft was mentioned more than once when I was prepping Fort McCoy to clear soldiers.  I am sincerely depressed today.  
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March 23rd, 2018, 4:35 am #8762

Dealing with N Korea never ends up like we think it will.  

I'm glad the Olympics and perhaps Trumps hardline brought NK to the table for talks, but now that their talking I'm worried.   So far Trump has been a lot of hot air and bluffing.  Hopefully that continues and this thing blows over.
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March 23rd, 2018, 4:39 am #8763

My wife does a lot of work with people in China, and Wednesday their phone calls kept dropping and a few emails never made it to their intended recipient,  She found out today that it was the Chinese government pushing back because of the trade war talk.  
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March 23rd, 2018, 4:46 am #8764

Pissing off China right before we might be invading North Korea is a head scratcher.   Someone needs to read their history books and look at what happened the first time we invaded NK.  
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March 23rd, 2018, 5:00 am #8765

I think NK and China are so entwined that this is all connected.   

China's economy is wobbly right now and they are propping it up with currency moves.  That is their vulnerable spot.  It's all brinkmanship, and let's be honest, Trump scares us and probably scares them even more.
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March 23rd, 2018, 5:26 am #8766

That is the only positive with Trump if he is not crazy.  Obama was predictable.  Trump is anything but.  
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March 23rd, 2018, 5:44 am #8767

Trump learned to negotiate in real estate and he is very good at it.  His tactic is to be brash and erratic to shake his adversary's confidence.  It's a great tactic and he seems to be great at it.  The problem is when it doesn't work with a real estate deal he can just walk away, but I don't think it's the same with foreign policy.  You can see his tactic all the time on US policy and congress.  He makes a lot of noise, but if he hits a wall he simply drops the issue and does something else.  Healthcare is the perfect example.
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March 30th, 2018, 4:22 am #8768

Another observation lately.   I have been listening to MSNBC on the drive in.   It mainly started because it was the only one that actually had content in the 12-15 minute drive from 6:45-7.    All the other stations including my beloved POTUS seem to compress all their commercials at the end of the hour and I got sick of just listening to commercials.  

Anyway, MSNBC obviously is pretty liberal and it is interesting getting that perspective.  It really is not as partisan as Fox but they really dislike the President.  They do, for the most part, make reasonable arguments about so many issues of the day and they remind me of a college football team whose plan looks good on paper but are going to fail miserably on game day.   For example, they assume Americans are turning on this administration due to the chaos and the horrible, mean, unprofessional tweets.   In reality when I talk to my patients I am finding they love it.  The more mean Trump is to someone the more they love him.   I still don't think the Democrats realize how much red state Americans hate the government and hate liberals.  It is not reasonable, it is emotional.   The libs on MSNBC are expecting just an absolute wipeout in the fall and I think they are, once again, going to be shocked.  
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March 31st, 2018, 6:14 am #8769

Every soecial election since the 16 has had Demanding overperformong by staggering margins, including some of the most conservative areas of the country.

Everything is trending doe the largest Wipeout by the controlling party since 94.
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March 31st, 2018, 6:58 am #8770

Generally mid term elections go against the siting president's party.  The question is how far they go against him.  Could be epic.

btw, remember Bill Clinton's first mid term election?  He got destroyed, but rebounded.  
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March 31st, 2018, 7:48 am #8771

Yes, because the experts and polls were so dead on correct in the initial election.  Freaking geniuses that hit the nail right on the head.  Amazing how well of a job they all did  ha ha

If anything I think Trump has given his supporters exactly what they wanted, and they are eating it up.  And a lot of liberals are doubling down on the behavior that drove people to vote for Trump in the first place.  H Clinton's India speech tops the cake, but there are many other examples.

I'm not saying he will win.  But I wouldn't assume the loss either.  And the polls and experts have been proven to be anything but.
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March 31st, 2018, 7:56 am #8772

2020 is a lifetime away. Nobody knows.

2018 is upon us. Don't look at polls, look at the results of the special elections. Look at history.

Another variable: Mueller. That investigation has netted quite a few indictments and guilty pleas. Is anyone confident - based on what's out there - in what's to come?
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May 23rd, 2018, 9:35 am #8773

Amid repeated protests during the playing of the national anthem over the past two seasons, the NFL on Wednesday passed a revised policy that mandates players and team personnel present on the sideline “shall stand and show respect for the flag and the Anthem.”
Show your respect comrades!
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July 2nd, 2018, 6:31 am #8774

Not standing for the national anthem is a form of peaceful protest, which is a First Amendment right.... and does not disrespect our Flag or those who have fought and died for our Freedoms ..., there is no greater show of respect for the  sacrifice our fighting men have made  than for someone to exercise their right of  freedom of speech …. 
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July 2nd, 2018, 8:04 am #8775

Ah, the politics thread.   It has been eerily quiet for awhile now, possibly due to the fact we can not catch our breath.  the kneeling controversy seems like a millennia ago.  I am still slack jawed about the amount of personal liberties people are so willing to give up under this administration.  The DOJ is under attack.  Our free press is under attack.  We are making friends with dictators and alienating allies.  Lies, sex scandals, threats of violence, etc.  It is all so exhausting I need to tune some of it out for my own mental well being.  

All that being said I think Trump will win re-election at this point.  The left have not chosen their battles wisely and now just seem angry about everything Trump does.  Also the left seems to be only running on how bad Trump is and not what they plan on doing for the average working American which is why we got Trump in the first place.  The Democrats are the most incompetent group of people I have ever seen.  It is all just so bad and depressing.  I wonder if they need a family doc in Australia?
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July 2nd, 2018, 11:16 am #8776

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Trump Will Likely Win Re-election In 2020


Most Americans don’t like Trump.

Trump will most likely be reelected in 2020.

How can both of these statements be true? Here’s how:

Even when people are unhappy with a state of affairs, they are usually disinclined to change it. In my area of research, the cognitive and behavioral sciences, this is known as the “default effect.”

Software and entertainment companies exploit this tendency to empower programs to collect as much data as possible from consumers, or to keep us glued to our seats for “one more episode” of a streaming show. Overall, only 5 percent of users ever change these settings, despite widespread concerns about how companies might be using collected information or manipulating people’s choices.

The default effect also powerfully shapes U.S. politics.

Four more years

Franklin D. Roosevelt was elected to four consecutive terms as president of the United States, serving from the Great Depression to World War II. To prevent future leaders from possibly holding and consolidating power indefinitely, the 22nd Amendment was passed, limiting subsequent officeholders to a maximum of two terms.

Eleven presidents have been elected since then.

Eight of these administrations won a renewed mandate: Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama.
Even the three single-term aberrations largely underscore the incumbency norm.

Had Ford won in 1976, it would have marked three consecutive terms for the GOP. If George H.W. Bush had won in 1992, it would have meant four consecutive Republican terms.

Since 1932, only once has a party held the White House for less than eight years: the administration of Democrat Jimmy Carter from 1976 to 1980.

Therefore, it’s a big deal that Trump is now the default in American politics. Simply by virtue of this, he is likely to be reelected.

Popularity is overrated

Trump won his first term despite record low approval ratings, triumphing over the marginally less unpopular Hillary Clinton. He will probably be able to repeat this feat if necessary.

The president continues to enjoy staunch support from the voters who put him in the White House. He has raised millions of dollars in small donations for reelection, pulling in twice as much money as Barack Obama in his first 100 days. And he’s already putting that money to use running ads in key states that trumpet his achievements and criticize political rivals.

Although most don’t like or trust Trump, polls show he seems to be meeting or exceeding Americans’ expectations so far. In fact, an ABC News/ Washington Post survey suggests that if the election had been held again in late April, Trump would have not only won the Electoral College, but the popular vote as well – despite his declining approval rating.

To further underscore this point, consider congressional reelection patterns.

Since World War II, the incumbency rate has been about 80 percent for the House of Representatives and 73 percent for the Senate. Going into the 2016 election, Congress’ approval rating was at an abysmal 15 percent. Yet their incumbency rate was actually higher than usual: 97 percent in the House and 98 percent in the Senate.

As a function of the default effect, the particular seats which happen to be open this cycle, and Republican dominance of state governments which has allowed them to draw key congressional districts in their favor – it will be extremely difficult for Democrats to gain even a simple majority in the Senate in 2018. The House? Even less likely.

Trump … or who?

Due to the default effect, what matters most is not how the public feels about the incumbent, but how they feel about the most likely alternative.

Carter didn’t just have low approval ratings, he also had to square off against Ronald Reagan. “The Gipper” was well-known, relatable and media-savvy. Although the Washington establishment largely wrote off his platform with derisive terms like “voodoo economics,” the American public found him to be a visionary and inspirational leader – awarding him two consecutive landslide victories.

Trump’s opposition is in much worse shape. The Democratic Party has been hemorrhaging voters for the better part of a decade. Democrats are viewed as being more “out of touch” with average Americans than Trump or the Republicans. Yet key players in the DNC still resist making substantive changes to the party’s platform and strategy. Hence it remains unclear how Democrats will broaden their coalition, or even prevent its continued erosion.

Trump is not likely to follow in Carter’s footsteps. Other modern precedents seem more plausible.
For instance, Truman had an approval rating of around 39 percent going into the 1948 election, yet managed to beat challenger Thomas Dewey by more than two million in the popular vote, and 114 in the Electoral College. The president had been holding raucous rallies in key states and districts, growing ever-larger as the race neared its end. However, the media disregarded these displays of support because his base was not well-captured in polls. As a result, his victory came as a total surprise to virtually everyone. Sound familiar?
One could also look to Trump’s harbinger, Richard Nixon. Throughout Nixon’s tenure as president, he was loathed by the media. Temperamentally, he was paranoid, narcissistic and often petty. Nonetheless, Nixon was reelected in 1972 by one of the largest margins in U.S. history – winning the popular vote by more than 22 percentage points and the Electoral College by a spread of over 500.

Of course, Nixon ultimately resigned under threat of impeachment. But not before he radically reshaped the Supreme Court, pushing it dramatically rightward for more than a generation. Trump is already well on his way in this regard.

And like Nixon, Trump is unlikely to be impeached until his second term, if at all.

Impeachment would require a majority in the House. Removing Trump from office would require at least a two-thirds vote in the Senate as well.

Nixon faced impeachment because, even after his landslide reelection, Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress. Clinton was impeached in 1998 by a Republican-controlled House, but was acquitted in the Senate because the GOP controlled only 55 seats.

Without massive Republican defections, Democrats will not be in a position to impeach Trump, let alone achieve the two-thirds majority required in the Senate to actually remove him from the Oval Office. The 2018 elections will not change this reality.

In other words, we can count on Trump surviving his first term – and likely winning a second.

Consider the example of George W. Bush, who, like Trump, assumed the presidency after losing the popular vote but taking the Electoral College. His tenure in office diverged wildly from his campaign commitments. He was prone to embarrassing gaffes. He was widely panned as ignorant and unqualified. Forced to rely heavily upon his ill-chosen advisors, he presided over some of the biggest foreign policy blunders in recent American history. Many of his actions in office were legally dubious as well. Yet he won reelection in 2004 by a healthy 3.5 million votes – in part because the Democrats nominated John Kerry to replace him.

Without question, Kerry was well-informed and highly qualified. He was not, however, particularly charismatic. His cautious, pragmatic approach to politics made him seem weak and indecisive compared to Bush. His long tenure in Washington exacerbated this problem, providing his opponents with plenty of “flip-flops” to highlight – suggesting he lacked firm convictions, resolve or vision.

If Democrats think they will sweep the 2020 general election simply by nominating another “grownup,” then they’re almost certainly going to have another losing ticket.

For Trump to be the next Jimmy Carter, it won’t be enough to count on his administration to fail. Democrats will also have to produce their own Ronald Reagan to depose him. So far, the prospects don’t look great.


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July 3rd, 2018, 4:33 am #8777

I agree with all that.   Seriously, it is all just bad.  This Trump episode has shown me the Republicans in general will put party before country with zero hesitation.  The Democrats, on the other hand, are just incapable of leading.  Lets be honest, Nancy Pelosi is a loser.  I am not just hurling insults.  Since she has been in charge of the party the Democrats have lost control of the House, Senate, Executive and Supreme Court.  She is the Butch Jones of politics yet the Dems stick with her.  I respect loyalty to a point but they need to go in a new direction in a bad, bad way.  

Oh, and speaking of the Supreme Court, it is firmly political now (something our forefathers never intended) and it will be firmly Republican for the rest of my life at least.  Abortion is either toast or about to be severely limited (another reason Trump will win re-election because that will make him a god to his supporters.    I am not sure they will roll back gay marriage but I am sure it will be discussed.  All the new letter people the LGBTQ keeps adding (I think the list is up to 76) are probably not going to see any official recognition in our lifetime which part of me things it is getting a little ridiculous anyway and I am a pretty open minded person.  Guns will probably be included in Happy Meals now (seriously though, this supreme court will ensure no gun regulation will ever occur).   The environment is screwed. 
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July 3rd, 2018, 4:59 am #8778

One other thing I want to add just since the door has been opened is I truly wonder what it will take for the right to be happy.  Almost all of the people I know on facebook are hardcore Trump supports.   That is probably true for most of us from the South.  They have won, absolutely and completely.  They control all branches of government.  They have destroyed the Clintons.   They have destroyed political correctness.  They have destroyed any person who thought gun regulation was a good idea after all these school shootings.  With Betsy Devos they are destroying public education (something the right has abhorred for awhile).   Any regulation on corporations pertaining to the environment or preventing another economic collapse have been removed.  Pretty much anything Obama accomplished has been destroyed and his legacy is getting erased daily, the Iran deal being only the most recent example . They have Democrats on the ground boot on their neck begging mercy.  Yet, they are still sooooo angry.  I try to go on Facebook every now and then and every single post is just over the top angry still focusing on Hillary, or gun regulation, or the Department of Justice.  I just pulled it up on another tab and just today am seeing a video Sean Hannity talking about the country being at a tipping point.  A meme of Nancy Pelosi stating "Veterans health care bill blocked?  Sorry, illegals first."  Another post stating how people protesting for illegal immigrant babies should have to take one home.  Numerous posts by some redneck named Chad Prather wearing a cowboy hat sitting in his truck berating political correctness because treating someone with respect is for pussies.  Seriously, all that is just what pops up immediately on my Facebook page.  What is it going to take to make the Trump crowd happy?  Can they only succeed by constantly feeling like the underdog?  What a bunch of snowflakes.
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July 3rd, 2018, 10:34 am #8779

DocVOLiday wrote: One other thing I want to add just since the door has been opened is I truly wonder what it will take for the right to be happy.  Almost all of the people I know on facebook are hardcore Trump supports.   That is probably true for most of us from the South.  They have won, absolutely and completely.  They control all branches of government.  They have destroyed the Clintons.   They have destroyed political correctness.  They have destroyed any person who thought gun regulation was a good idea after all these school shootings.  With Betsy Devos they are destroying public education (something the right has abhorred for awhile).   Any regulation on corporations pertaining to the environment or preventing another economic collapse have been removed.  Pretty much anything Obama accomplished has been destroyed and his legacy is getting erased daily, the Iran deal being only the most recent example . They have Democrats on the ground boot on their neck begging mercy.  Yet, they are still sooooo angry.  I try to go on Facebook every now and then and every single post is just over the top angry still focusing on Hillary, or gun regulation, or the Department of Justice.  I just pulled it up on another tab and just today am seeing a video Sean Hannity talking about the country being at a tipping point.  A meme of Nancy Pelosi stating "Veterans health care bill blocked?  Sorry, illegals first."  Another post stating how people protesting for illegal immigrant babies should have to take one home.  Numerous posts by some redneck named Chad Prather wearing a cowboy hat sitting in his truck berating political correctness because treating someone with respect is for pussies.  Seriously, all that is just what pops up immediately on my Facebook page.  What is it going to take to make the Trump crowd happy?  Can they only succeed by constantly feeling like the underdog?  What a bunch of snowflakes.
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July 3rd, 2018, 11:00 am #8780

So the Republicans do not control all branches of government?  We do not have a conservative supreme court?  They are not attacking political correctness?  They are not pro-gun?   They are not actively trying to get school vouchers and weaken public education?  They have not removed environmental and banking regulations?  Trump has not attempted to overturn most of Obama's legacy?   I am confused.  Which part of this is incorrect?   I will wait until you go to Fox News so they can tell you how to think . I know facts are for us educated elitist.  
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July 3rd, 2018, 11:11 am #8781

DocVOLiday wrote:   I will wait until you go to Fox News so they can tell you how to think...
Seriously?  I think I'll just pass on a discussion after that comment.

I don't agree with many of your statements.  But I didn't insult you personally.

ps apologies for saying every sentence.  But some very much were.  But sorry again for the every sentence part. 
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July 3rd, 2018, 11:30 am #8782

"    I will wait until you go to Fox News so they can tell you how to think..." 


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July 4th, 2018, 9:43 am #8783

DocVOLiday wrote:
Oh, and speaking of the Supreme Court, it is firmly political now (something our forefathers never intended) and it will be firmly Republican for the rest of my life at least.  Abortion is either toast or about to be severely limited (another reason Trump will win re-election because that will make him a god to his supporters.   
I follow the Supreme Court, and I don't think Roe vs Wade being overturned is even remotely possible.  First, I don't think there is any support on the current Court to do this.  Second, Trump talks a lot but his actions are always different.  Gorsuch never took a stand on abortion and it's becoming more and more likely that he is not anti-abortion.  fwiw, generally anti-abortion judges are very religious.

I do think the Court will continue to allow religious groups and companies to have the freedom to not pay for abortions, birth control, or anything else they are morally opposed.  This isn't overturning Roe vs Wade, but it will nibble around the edges.

 I am not sure they will roll back gay marriage but I am sure it will be discussed.  All the new letter people the LGBTQ keeps adding (I think the list is up to 76) are probably not going to see any official recognition in our lifetime which part of me things it is getting a little ridiculous anyway and I am a pretty open minded person.  
I doubt we see a roll back of gay marriage, but like above we might see organizations not having to give spousal benefits to gay couples.

Guns will probably be included in Happy Meals now (seriously though, this supreme court will ensure no gun regulation will ever occur).   The environment is screwed. 
I definitely think we will see a  lot of gun control legislation struck down.  

btw, I assume Republicans will appoint conservative leaning judges and Democrats will appoint liberal leaning judges.  With that in mind, I see Gorsuch as a home run appointment for Dems.  Sure he is conservative, but he appears to be close to a centrist and very smart.  
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July 5th, 2018, 4:42 am #8784

I apologize for making it personal but would still be very interested in which sentence you actually disagree with.  Choose wisely because I can easily support every statement I have made.  

One other thing Nut, I realize I am projecting on you and all the other Trump supporters and actually thought about it some yesterday.   It really is a raw nerve for me and it does not even have to do with policy anymore.  I think I narrowed it down to the fact Trump, and many of his supporters, are so prone to fringe facts.  Conspiracy theories may describe it better.  This is something I face almost daily in healthcare and it is insanely frustrating.  I have patients with that personality type who will google something and take some bogus website as the gospel truth.   It does not matter I went to school for 29 years.  It does not matter I have been practicing for 14 years.  That one false statement on the internet or on facebook is what they believe and they are just honestly too ignorant (not a slur, just a fact) to realize how foolish they sound.  The only people they are harming in the end is themselves and they will cling to their ignorance and superstition to the grave.  Seriously, I just had a patient with very treatable lung cancer who decided those of us in modern medicine were fools and that essential oils would heal her cancer.  Her funeral was last month.  I spoke to her just prior to going on hospice and she still was convinced essential oils extended her life somehow.   She only lived about 4 months after starting the essential oil which is just about right for the progression of that type of cancer.

Anyway, I am going down a rabbit hole but will continue to try to show you respect and in all honesty doubt I will post much back on this thread.  Like the nation I think we are all just so split on Trump and where he is taking this nation.   It is not an argument either one of us can win and will only divide our friendship.  I will go back to our shared love, college football.  
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July 5th, 2018, 4:59 am #8785

It's important to remember that both of you agree about almost everything.   Our differences are few.  Both of you are good moral people.  Neither of you is mean or anything like that.  The problem with our current political situation is we have become so tribal and only focus on the differences.  Trump didn't cause this.  He just takes advantage of it.  Trump will be re-elected because he has been able to bring out the worst in the Left.  

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July 5th, 2018, 5:11 am #8786

I agree.  I really like and respect Nut, I hope he knows that.  Trump is just so rude and uncivil it gets under my skin.

BTW, speaking of incivility the Democrats are fools trying to go down that route.  Maxine Waters is only helping Trump with her aggressive comments.  When I think of the radical left from the 60's and the violence they were capable of it makes me nervous.   Trump keeps poking them and it will benefit him tremendously if the Dems lose all reason.  One other frustration for me with the Democrats is they continue to underestimate Trump.  Since he does not talk too pretty and his grammar is awful (I know, look who's talking) they really think he is a fool but he keeps beating them at every turn.  The Dems really need to realize they are dealing with a pro especially when it comes to working a room.  Otherwise they are just going to keep gawking as he keeps winning. 
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July 5th, 2018, 5:24 am #8787

Trump is blowing up the traditional battle lines between the parties.  Is the Republican Party still have the moral high ground?  Um, not while he is President.  Are the Democrats really for immigrants? Um, not if they want to get re-elected.  Which party is fiscally conservative?  Which party has done the most for African Americans economic prosperity?  Which party is in bed with Wallstreet?  

You get the point.  I'm starting to think we are witnessing a seismic shift in both party's platforms.
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July 5th, 2018, 5:36 am #8788

Do you guys understand I can't stand Trump?  I have said so many times above. I hate he is defining the face of the party.  I think perhaps it is even worse when you tend to be on the conservative side.  If another coach for another team screws up its comical.  When it happens to your team and it's your team's coach it's embarrassing and frustrating if that makes sense.  
 
Personally I think I most likely want 95% of the things you do.  It is the steps to get there I think we may disagree on.  But not the end goal.

I have also noted items I break strongly from the party I guess I usually support, and also the church.  I have never fired a gun in my life.  I could care less who marries who (sex or race) as a few examples.

What hurt was the comment about going to Fox News and finding out what I should say next.  It was a personal jab indicating I can't think for myself or am smart enough to hold a conversation on said topics.

I have spent hours communications my views above on a number of points.  Again, including my disdain for Trump.  

When I saw the comment about Fox it had caused me to just say I think I'm done.  That's all.  It's not a big deal, I just don't think this will go anywhere.
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July 5th, 2018, 6:22 am #8789

Again, I apologize for that.  As I mentioned I projected on you some of the frustrations I see with my patients.  It was not fair and I realize you are more than capable of thinking for yourself.  There are some people who only get their news from Fox and are grossly misinformed (just like there are people who only get their news from left sources and are also misinformed) but I realize you are not one of them.  
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July 5th, 2018, 6:49 am #8790

Fair enough. I also apologize for my brief above on the comical post. It wasn't the friendliest or most positive response either.
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July 5th, 2018, 7:31 am #8791

" Trump didn't cause this.  He just takes advantage of it. "

BD,

That is the perfect perspective. you hit the nail on the head with that statement....

 we cant get mad just because the chickens come home to roost ….
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July 5th, 2018, 8:47 am #8792

Buckeye Nut wrote: Do you guys understand I can't stand Trump? 
Yeah, I know you don't like him.   I'm sorry if I made it sound like you loved him.

This brings up something else...

My friends and neighbors here always act like I must be deeply troubled because most of my family voted for Trump.  Like my parents are Nazi sympathizers.  My parents are retired and spend 40+ hours a week volunteering building housing for minorities, teaching homeless people life skills, and raising money for a children's hospital.  I'm pretty sure my parents do more for the people struggling in this country than any of my friends here in liberal Boulder, but all of that is lost because the people here are so brainwashed.  Anyway, that's one of the things that drive me crazy.
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July 5th, 2018, 9:05 am #8793

We are two sides of a coin.  I am surrounded here in East Tennessee by ardent conservatives and Trump supporters which is making me anti-Trump.  You are surrounded by all the liberal hippies there in Boulder who are making you anti-liberal.  Maybe we should house swap for a week to get new perspectives.  😆
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July 5th, 2018, 2:30 pm #8794

it is Trump's clownish, vulgar behavior that's puts a lot of people off … I have disagreed with Republican Politicians in the past about their agenda and policies , but I still respected them …  that is not the case with Trump … I simply cant stand the man …. and I think he has turned the Office of the Presidency into one huge joke  …. Trump is nothing more than a two bit snake oil salesman ….that will be his legacy …  and the Democratic Party is unrecognizable  … it is almost a Socialist Party … the choice between the two parties is choosing between the devil or the deep blue sea … neither one is a good choice … is it any wonder the country is in the shape that it is ? 
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August 8th, 2018, 4:19 am #8795

Democrats are starting to remind me of South Carolina football fans.  After they lose the special election in Ohio last night they are declaring victory because it was close.  You guys still lost, like usual.  They should yell "Go Cocks!" after their next moral victory.  
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August 8th, 2018, 5:24 am #8796

FYI that is the very district I am in. I'm about as much smack dab in the middle of it as one could be. Had been quite the interesting month or so with ads and calls


I did vote yesterday. I am not joking door to door the whole thing took I think about 45 seconds. Had a lot of people for a one ballot election but also had a lot of machines and volunteers at least at my location.

Anyway it was interesting to see all the coverage for my own district. I'm waiting for cnn to call for my interview.
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August 8th, 2018, 5:40 am #8797

I bet it was miserable.  24/7 political ads.  Ugh.  Maybe there is an advantage to living in such a solid red state.  Nobody wastes ad money here. 
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August 8th, 2018, 5:51 am #8798

I got something in the mail I think every day. Oddly the calls were very minimal. One thing is we just got rid of our land line about 6 months ago and I don't publish cell so that may be part of it.

Without getting into the whole was this a moral victory for Democrats or not, I will just say the previous guy, Pat Tiberi, was for the most part absolutely loved around here. Just everyone seemed to really like him. And he was around all the time it seemed. Parades, would see him at restaurants alot, etc. My point is yes the GOP won this district by much larger margins in the past, but some of that I think was because if Tiberi. It had not been much of a contest for years. So maybe some of this is Trump blow back, but some of it may be folks used to really like Tiberi. Of course who know how much of which cause it was. Just my little two cents. I could be way off though
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August 8th, 2018, 6:21 am #8799

I don't think anyone knows for sure until it actually happens.  If I am honest I am a little surprised the media did not learn their lesson with Trump.  They keep relying on the same polls that predicted Hillary would win easily.  They need to bring in Nate Silver and actually listen.  
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August 8th, 2018, 7:54 am #8800

DocVOLiday wrote: Democrats are starting to remind me of South Carolina football fans.  After they lose the special election in Ohio last night they are declaring victory because it was close.  You guys still lost, like usual.  They should yell "Go Cocks!" after their next moral victory.  
I don't even recognize the Democratic Party anymore … they moved so far left …. and for the first time ever in my life, I rooted for a Republican to win … Troy Balderson ….
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