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July 13th, 2017, 4:35 am #8601

I am posting here again because it is cathartic. I really have no one to talk to about all this shit because everyone here are Fox sheeple. That is actually not completely true. My lovely wife is grand to talk to because she does not consume political information like I do and brings in a unique perspective. I think growing up in the coal fields and being surrounded by intense poverty and intense religion has given her wisdom. For example I was ranting again this morning at breakfast about the similarities between the German people under fascism and the Americans still supporting Trump (I don't even call them Republicans anymore, they are their own thing at this point). After pointing out how Hitler wanted to make Germany great again, blamed all of Germany's problems on non-germans, and set up media system under Goebbels that fostered undying allegience to their leader and distrust for any news that could possibly be harmful. I ended with the frustration that good, moral people like our parents were so unwilling to even consider facts anymore and gleefully accept alternative facts provided by the administration or Sean Hannity. My wife then made a powerful point. She stated how that generation who are overwhelmingly the Sean Hannity demographic really put themselves out for Trump compromising so many of their principles on integrity and moral leadership that it is now a point of pride. They already are paranoid, feel out of touch with society and it's shift toward information and electronics, and need to feel that they still at least know how to pick a leader better than these youngsters who are lazy and just different then they were. It would take an unbelievable amount of humility to say that electing an outsider, while exciting in theory, has at the very least given someone who does not know what they are doing. Her strongest point though was about the Christian thing. She agreed that she truly believes God appoints our leaders and allowed Trump to be elected but not for the reason many evangelicals think. It could very well be that Christ is fed up with the angry, not Christian, Christianity that has evolved in this nation. He needed to expose the hypocrisy and the ludicrousness of using the Gospels to justify the suppression of the poor and needy. Their is no doubt churches are bleeding members and the more angry Christians scream on Fox news the more they alienate the youth. Maybe all this craziness returns us to the truth of the Gospels. Give unto Caesar what is Caesars and unto God what is God.
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July 13th, 2017, 3:38 pm #8602

Comparing Republicans, even Trump supporters, to followers of Hitler that supported the slaughtering of millions is pretty silly, but I guess it's the easiest thing. I know , let's just compare then to Hitler followers, why not. I really don't think fellow Americans who don't believe in all the things you do, or at least the means to the end, mean they want to murder millions of non followers. It really is a huge stretch and really quite untrue.

You know I love chatting with you but your post above really is kind of out there.
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July 13th, 2017, 4:33 pm #8603

It is not about how evil the agenda is, just about using nationalism and selective media to rise to power.
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July 13th, 2017, 4:38 pm #8604

But it's fine when for years Democrats used the media to push their agenda. Media and Hollywood actors and awards shows.
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July 13th, 2017, 4:53 pm #8605

Fair point. Although the hollywood star thing seems to work against the Democrats. I have yet to see a star promising to leave the country affect an election. My major frustration is I truly believe if Hillary had won and a similar email was sent to Chelsea and she responded "I love it!" And then proceeded to meet with a Russian lawyer not only would the Republicans be losing their mind but the Democrats would too. As proof I would point to the Democrats who voted for Clinton's impeachment (there were 31). I think the absolute loyalty the party is showing Trump and the guys like Sean Hannitty constantly making excuses for him does almost feel fascism.
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July 13th, 2017, 5:53 pm #8606

Buckeye Nut wrote:Comparing Republicans, even Trump supporters, to followers of Hitler that supported the slaughtering of millions is pretty silly, but I guess it's the easiest thing. I know , let's just compare then to Hitler followers, why not. I really don't think fellow Americans who don't believe in all the things you do, or at least the means to the end, mean they want to murder millions of non followers. It really is a huge stretch and really quite untrue.

You know I love chatting with you but your post above really is kind of out there.
well, like Jim Jeffries said to Piers Morgan, Hitler didn't start killing Jews right away, he worked up to it.

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July 14th, 2017, 8:40 am #8607

Nut, I think one thing we can agree on is Trump jr. is an idiot. After repeatedly stating over and over again there was nothing more to this meeting with the Russian Lawyer and he has not sat down with any other officials it is being reported that the lawyer was accompanied by a Russian-American lobbyist — a former Soviet counterintelligence officer who is suspected by some U.S. officials of having ongoing ties to Russian intelligence, NBC News has learned.

The lobbyist, Rinat Akhmetshin, denies any current ties to Russian spy agencies. He accompanied the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, to the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower attended by Donald Trump Jr.; Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law; and Paul Manafort, former chairman of the Trump campaign.

Again, Hannity asked him twice in his softball interview if anyone else was present and if he met with any other Russians. Either Jr is dumb or lied. I am not sure which is worse. Why didn't Kushner or Manafort report this encounter either.
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July 20th, 2017, 5:04 am #8608

I want to take a moment to honor John McCain.   It appears his brain tumor is a glioblastoma which means he will pass.  Maybe with his connections he can get some weird experimental procedure but as far as I know we can not stop a glio, just slow it down a little.  Even though he got a little nutty at the end, maybe because of the clot and tumor, I still think he is one of the politicians right now I respect the most.  I think he is a man of principle who knows when to compromise.  A statesmen.  A war hero, despite the fact POTUS thinks he is a loser for getting captured by the Viet Cong.  It makes me sad that we will lose one of the last real statesmen.  A man that can rise above partisan divisions and put his country first.  I wish him all the best right now.  
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July 21st, 2017, 9:49 am #8609

Spicy out:

The word is Trump did not feel he was loyal enough and Spicer got mad when Trump announced a more loyal communication's director.   Considering the insane lengths Spicer went to explain Trump's madness it is hard to imagine someone more loyal.  Also, anyone else notice how Trump demands loyalty from his subordinates but will immediately throw them under the bus if he is the least bit pleased with them?  
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August 9th, 2017, 4:36 am #8610

I anyone doubting now, that there is a strong possibility that Trump might get us into a nuclear war .....
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August 9th, 2017, 5:36 am #8611

Notice I have stopped posting here.  This is no longer funny.  I sincerely think everyone, Republicans and Democrats alike, are realizing we really may have a mad man at the wheel.  My Reserve Unit just got orders.  When you consider our mission is SRP (Soldier readiness preparedness) which means we are the guys who clear soldiers to deploy it makes you go hmmm.   
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August 9th, 2017, 6:24 am #8612

Disenter needs to move East....NK can bomb California..then we can talk about moving the red line for them too.
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August 10th, 2017, 4:18 am #8613

I think I may have heard my first real good option with NK.   On the radio in the drive in a pundit mentioned we should use the THAAD missile system the minute NK launches another missile and blow it out of the sky immediately after it leaves NK airspace.  The THAAD missile system is 100% accurate.  It has never missed.  By doing this you have not invaded the sovereign nation of NK and you basically show NK that even though it is nice you have spent the last 3 decades getting this pathetic little missile we have already made it obsolete.  It still has some risks but I think it helps us regain the upper hand and show NK their supreme weapon is a limp dick.  
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August 10th, 2017, 1:16 pm #8614

China, Russia, and North Korea challenge every new president.  Trumps response was the same as early presidents except he is coarse.  

As for the Trump / Hitler comparison, there isn't one.  Hitler was pure evil and planned the extinction of ethnic groups.  Trump doesn't want illegal immigrants or people from some muslim countries.  He doesn't advocate killing them.  

You have made me defend Trump so now I must shower.
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August 11th, 2017, 9:10 am #8615

I never really feel I have got my point across with the Hitler/Trump analogy.  I never was insinuating Trump would ever be as evil as Hitler.  Just that good Christian Americans are getting their news from only one news source and are not only consistently the least informed Americans but support bad policies based on bad information.  
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August 11th, 2017, 10:13 am #8616

DocVOLiday wrote: I never really feel I have got my point across with the Hitler/Trump analogy.  I never was insinuating Trump would ever be as evil as Hitler.  Just that good Christian Americans are getting their news from only one news source and are not only consistently the least informed Americans but support bad policies based on bad information.  
How is that any different than many (many) liberals or Obama or Clinton supporters?  I don't agree I guess with how you paint conservatives as idiot lemmings just following along to fox news or whatever but summoning liberals don't do the same. And painting them as dramatically less intelligent, less informed or less able to decide on their own.
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August 11th, 2017, 10:43 am #8617

I would never want to insult you Nut but it is a very acknowledged fact.  Here is just one excellent article on it from Forbes, not exactly a liberal media outlet:  https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016 ... f00d1412ab.  It actually even has a title "The fox news affect."   You have to admit if you ever watch Fox it always defends the president and rarely, if ever, mention things that paint him in a negative light.  Now Trump is producing his own news network on Facebook hosted by Former CNN contributor Kayleigh McEnany and I encourage you to watch it.  Is the closest I have seen to state run propaganda that I have seen in my lifetime.  
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August 11th, 2017, 10:48 am #8618

I might just add this question.  If Obama told you not to trust the media and that he was setting up his own news network on facebook to spoon feed his followers how would you have responded?
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August 11th, 2017, 12:30 pm #8619

It isn't a fact at all. It's a weak lazy insult to Conservatives. What a hilarious yet incorrect picture you are trying to paint.

Oh these intelligent, think for themselves, smart liberals are oh so intelligent and never just jump on any opinion, yet conservatives just follow along.

I'm not saying there are not conservatives or Trump supporters that don't blindly file him or whoever. Of course there are. I'm saying there are plenty of liberals that do the exact same thing.

To act like there is such a gap between the two of laughable.
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August 11th, 2017, 12:39 pm #8620

I will concede their are loonies on both sides. I will extend it though to make my original point with Hitler. Whenever people choose to only hear what they want regardless of ideology they are easier for politicians to manipulate.
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August 14th, 2017, 9:45 am #8621

Having lived most of my life in the conservative south and now uber liberal Colorado I can affirm that both sides get their news from slanted sources and often read opinion pieces disguised as news.  The best example on the Left is Vox.  Vox leans heavily left of course, but it's actually more of a propaganda/opinion site than a news site.  Vox was founded by Ezra Klein who previously started a private forum for liberal journalists to discuss how to promote liberal causes.  Klein is really smart and a great writer, but he definitely tries to bend the news to the left.  It's his answer to Fox News.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList  

btw, I was discussing some economic stuff with my dad while I was in Georgia and he kept citing Rush Limbaugh.  It drove me nuts because Limbaugh is an entertainer, but my dad saw him as a credible journalist.  Weird times we live in.  
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August 14th, 2017, 11:00 am #8622

I am not going to lie, I am tired of swimming upstream.   I am the only person I know both in my practice and in my Reserve unit who thinks Trump is a snake oil sells man doing a terrible job.  I think now that I have convinced myself he is morally depraved I will most likely dislike or mistrust anything he does.  I do wonder why it seems so obvious to me and not to everyone around me.  I am usually a go with the flow type guy.   I will admit my Sirius radio has discovered MSNBC and I am finding it titillating to hear people say what I am thinking but I realize that is only making my suspicion of Trump worse.  If I am extremely honest it is affecting my mood and my quality of life.  I think I am going to try unplugging from politics for awhile.  You guys let me know if we go to war with North Korea or anything else important happens.  
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August 14th, 2017, 12:46 pm #8623

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August 14th, 2017, 1:11 pm #8624

DocVOLiday wrote: I am not going to lie, I am tired of swimming upstream.   I am the only person I know both in my practice and in my Reserve unit who thinks Trump is a snake oil sells man doing a terrible job.  I think now that I have convinced myself he is morally depraved I will most likely dislike or mistrust anything he does.  I do wonder why it seems so obvious to me and not to everyone around me.  I am usually a go with the flow type guy.   I will admit my Sirius radio has discovered MSNBC and I am finding it titillating to hear people say what I am thinking but I realize that is only making my suspicion of Trump worse.  If I am extremely honest it is affecting my mood and my quality of life.  I think I am going to try unplugging from politics for awhile.  You guys let me know if we go to war with North Korea or anything else important happens.  
I used to be the most liberal guy N Fulton County and now I'm the most conservative guy in Boulder.  I know what you are feeling.  

I've come to realize that neither side is right or wrong.  Ok, Nazi's and racists are wrong, but you get the idea.  Our country is in a weird place right now.  For some life is full of opportunity and growth while others are looking at their way of life being in danger.  I think a lot of people feel like they're about to experience what it was like to have a manufacturing job in the midwest a couple of decades ago: a couple of rough decades when everyone tells you to just learn a new skill.  I might not agree with their choices, but I can sympathize and hope for a government that puts the regular people first instead of the 1%.  I'm not holding my breath.
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August 16th, 2017, 5:17 am #8625

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August 18th, 2017, 10:56 am #8626

Steven Bannon is out.  I bet General Kelly is finally getting shit together. 
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August 18th, 2017, 11:37 am #8627

Why are they firing Bannon now?  Did he say something new?
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August 19th, 2017, 9:43 am #8628

I think he is a visual presentation of Trump's percieved white supremacy so cutting him lose is a way to distance Trump from the alt right.
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September 19th, 2017, 4:26 am #8629

It is probably best to leave this thread dormant as a memorium to Creek but my comment today is not polarizing or controversial so I will go with it.  I have been looking over Trump's poor poll numbers and discovered something I found interesting.  His numbers have dropped in very traditional red states like Texas but are just as strong in rust belt states like Michigan and Wisconsin.  They are actually a little higher in Michigan.  If I were a Democrat that would really worry me because I highly doubt states like Texas vote Democrat in the next election.  There is kind of a built in buffer there.  Most importantly for Democrats is they really need to realize how workers in states like Michigan who have lost a ton of jobs oversees really do not believe the Democratic party is going to improve their lives.  I believe they see the DNC as the party of social issues and global warming only.  The Dems either need to figure out a way to convince blue collar Americans that their policies can give them a job, not just a handout, or they continue to lose elections.
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September 19th, 2017, 6:19 am #8630

DocVOLiday wrote:...I believe they see the DNC as the party of social issues and global warming only.  The Dems either need to figure out a way to convince blue collar Americans that their policies can give them a job, not just a handout, or they continue to lose elections.
I agree that the Dems should be nervous.  Trump doesn't play by the usual rules and has support that isn't measured in the traditional way.  I'm convinced that he is OK with where his popularity is right now.

Your last two sentences are what frustrate me with the Democratic Party right now.

Social issues and the environment don't change the votes of swing voters.  Safety, quality of life, and the economy is what matters.   The Republicans struggle with this too, but it's gun rights, religion, and states rights.  Trump obviously gets it.  He uses these issues to whip each party's base into a frenzy, but knows the limits.

I don't like your choice of words in the last sentence.  The Dems have been trying to convince the working class for years.  It's time to deliver.
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September 19th, 2017, 7:04 am #8631

I see your point about wording.   Even though I have been in no way a Trump supporter, I still think he is kind of scumbag, I will admit the Dems have not delivered especially in the Northeast.  For decades they had the union vote and the blue collar vote in that area.  They were the Governors, the mayors, etc.  During that time they watched the jobs leave.  Clinton signed NAFTA after all.  Even though I am unsure Trump can deliver on his promises to return jobs if I were an underemployed or out of work automotive builder in Michigan I might be looking for a different horse to hitch up to as well.
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September 23rd, 2017, 6:04 pm #8632

Without reading this thread in a long time, the only question I have is this:

On a scale of 1 to 10, how embarrassed are you that Trump is the President.

I'm firmly a ten.  
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September 25th, 2017, 6:23 am #8633

I will probably regret it but I guess I will bring up the NFL thing with Trump since it seems to be the only story on the news and sports pages today.  My only question is when did we become so easily offended?  Seriously.  A conservative gets banned from Berkeley because they might say something that offends the delicate sunflowers ears and now the conservatives want people fired or banned for peaceful protests.  I may just be a Reservist but I wear the uniform for a reason and the main reason is I still believe our Liberty makes us great and one of the foremost liberties in this country is freedom of speech.  If someone wants to peacefully protest then I will fight for their right too.  I am becoming more and more convinced America has turned into a bunch of spoiled children who just want to whine about everything.  
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September 25th, 2017, 1:11 pm #8634

I find it funny the Steelers claim they have a right to make a statement as they wish, but then when one player decided he preferred to go out to the field and stand as he wished the coach called him out and said he was disappointed in his choice. Said he should of stood unified with the team. In other words get in line and shut up.

Conservatives are not the only hypocritical ones out there.
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September 25th, 2017, 4:04 pm #8635

DocVOLiday wrote: I will probably regret it but I guess I will bring up the NFL thing with Trump since it seems to be the only story on the news and sports pages today.  My only question is when did we become so easily offended?  Seriously.  A conservative gets banned from Berkeley because they might say something that offends the delicate sunflowers ears and now the conservatives want people fired or banned for peaceful protests.  I may just be a Reservist but I wear the uniform for a reason and the main reason is I still believe our Liberty makes us great and one of the foremost liberties in this country is freedom of speech.  If someone wants to peacefully protest then I will fight for their right too.  I am becoming more and more convinced America has turned into a bunch of spoiled children who just want to whine about everything.  
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September 25th, 2017, 4:05 pm #8636

sec realist wrote: Without reading this thread in a long time, the only question I have is this:

On a scale of 1 to 10, how embarrassed are you that Trump is the President.

I'm firmly a ten.  

That's an interesting question.  Trump doesn't actually embarrass me.  I didn't vote for him, so I don't see him as a reflection of me.
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September 26th, 2017, 4:34 am #8637

Nut, I completely agree with that.  The guy was an Army Ranger with a bronze star.  Asking him to sit for the anthem was an insult.

Interesting question Dawg.  Probably not.  Knoxville is the buckle of the Bible Belt and red state America.  If I started telling all my patients I was an atheist, socialist who thought UT Medical Center was taking advantage of poor people I would imagine I would find myself in an office with someone with a long title in front of their name.  (BTW, I am none of those things and love UTMC, it is the best hospital I have ever worked with).  Really interesting question though.  That is hard to differentiate, the line between celebrity, which lets admit that is what these guys are, and activism.  Maybe it needs to be like our military policy.  When I am in uniform I am not allowed to be political.  I am not allowed to go to a political rally in uniform.  I must get permission to represent the US Army in uniform right down to talking at my kid's school on Veteran's day.  Out of uniform I can pretty much do whatever I want as long as I do not attend a group deemed to be a hate group by the feds.  
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September 26th, 2017, 5:25 am #8638

It's definitely an interesting question.

I think what's really going on is that the NFL owners don't want players making political statements during the show because it inevitably tarnishes the brand and impacts their wallets.
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September 26th, 2017, 6:29 am #8639

I get that those protesting are maybe not protesting for themselves, but for others, but still...
It is tough for a guy making $40k a year scrapng by that works a million hours a week who just wants to sit and lose himself for a few hours (entertainment) to watch a multi millionare hey paid for a game talk to him about how America has oppressed them.

It just doesn't sit well I assume with the majority of the game of the NFL. That is before you even toss the flag part of it into it. That just amplifies it.

I have a really good job and make not bad money. Not rich by any means, But I work and have worked really hard for it. Yet in one year or less some of these guys make as much as I will on my full career. Yet they are the oppressed ones. The message didn't click with many unfortunately.

Second topic, You guys know enough about football and the importance of focus. I do wonder if or when this starts to be such a big deal it starts impacting on the field performance because it's such a distraction. Are you telling me the Steelers are 100%focused now with the one guy getting called out by the coach, then Ben R saying he wished now he would of gone out now too...

How can this not start to at least start to distract them...
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September 26th, 2017, 6:30 am #8640

I get that those protesting are maybe not protesting for themselves, but for others, but still...
It is tough for a guy making $40k a year scrapng by that works a million hours a week who just wants to sit and lose himself for a few hours (entertainment) to watch a multi millionare hey paid for a game talk to him about how America has oppressed them.

It just doesn't sit well I assume with the majority of the game of the NFL.  That is before you even toss the flag part of it into it.  That just amplifies it.

I have a really good job and make not bad money.  Not rich by any means, But I work and have worked really hard for it.  Yet in  one year or less some of these guys make as much as I will on my full career.  Yet they are the oppressed ones.  The message didn't click with many unfortunately.  

Second topic, You guys know enough about football and the importance of focus.  I do wonder if or when this starts to be such a big deal it starts impacting on the field performance because it's such a distraction.  Are you telling me the Steelers are 100%focused now with the one guy getting called out by the coach, then Ben R saying he wished now he would of gone out now too...  

How can this not start to at least start to distract them...
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September 26th, 2017, 8:06 am #8641

It has to be a distraction.  I bet their will be a lot of friction in the locker room too.  You could kind of sense with the some standing next to those kneeling.  

One other point is the NFL needs to look at the Baseball strike in 1994.   To me that was when MLB ceased to be America's game and it has never really fully recovered.  I used to love MLB.   As a kid in Atlanta the Braves games were a blast.  After that spoiled temper tantrum by the millionaire players I just have not really had the enthusiasm for the game.  I would much rather go to a AA or AAA game at this point.  
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October 1st, 2017, 3:46 am #8642

you can be fired at Coke for drinking a Pepsi ... so, I think " Freedom of Speech ' at work is limited ...


No Constitutional Free Speech At Work 

Employees don’t have a Constitutional right to free speech or freedom of expression at work. The Constitution’s right to free speech only applies when the government is trying to restrict it. Even then, it’s not absolute. There is no free speech in your house; ask your mom. And there is no legal right to free speech or expression at work. (If you work for the government, there is a special set of rules that apply.)

So employers are generally free to restrict employee speech, at least while they are at work.

http://www.hrexaminer.com/is-there-free-speech-at-work/
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October 2nd, 2017, 1:25 pm #8643

I guess it's still not a good time to talk about gun/bullet control, huh?
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October 2nd, 2017, 3:51 pm #8644

Automatic weapons, high capacity magazines and open carry are all legal in Nevada. Open carry is probably the only one I agree with, the rest, why?
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October 2nd, 2017, 4:19 pm #8645

A couple things I didn't know...

Automatic weapons are illegal to make, but the ones from before 1984 are grandfathered.  There aren't that many and they are very expensive.  They are very rarely used in crimes.

High capacity magazines were illegal at the federal level until 1994 when the law expired. They are illegal to sell but not own in 8 states.

Also, this guy seems to be a "normal" guy who snapped.  It's tough for laws or databases to stop guys like that.  I wish I had the solution.  Most of the previous mass killings with guns involved people who were mentally ill.
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Joined: September 4th, 2012, 1:50 pm

October 2nd, 2017, 4:52 pm #8646

I grew up in Eastern Kentucky ...  I got my first shot gun on my 7th birthday... guns have always been an important tool for us ... guns helped us to put food on our table .... helped us to protect our livestock and chickens , etc ..... and provided protection for ourselves and our homes from people who tried to harm us ... we don't need gun control .... we need people control .... 
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Joined: August 29th, 2012, 6:09 pm

October 3rd, 2017, 4:34 am #8647

My buddy has an AR. He says he can easily order a kit online to make it fully automatic.

People are nuts.
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October 3rd, 2017, 5:55 am #8648

It is a piece of cake to make them fully automatic.  A lot of the soldiers make their M16s fully automatic.  All your really need is the right size washer from Home depot that does not have the stepped up teeth to stop the hammer after the 3 round burst.  

I will say if you convert a civilian AR to fully auto that is a felony with quite a bit of jail time.  
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Joined: August 10th, 2017, 5:39 am

October 3rd, 2017, 9:34 am #8649

The politics of gun control seems to be that swing voters don't favor it so Democrats have to act immediately after a tragedy or it has no chance of passing.  I say this because the NRA and other groups only spend about $6 million a year on lobbying, and that is very low.  Healthcare is $240 million a year for example.  Basically, politicians aren't being bought on gun control.

Also, I wonder what can be done.  If someone is going to take the time to alter a semi-automatic weapon it's reasonable to assume that without that avenue they would make a bomb or something else.  Things like keeping guns away from the mentally ill, felons, and potential terrorists all make sense to me, but they wouldn't have stopped this guy.  
 
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October 3rd, 2017, 1:09 pm #8650

Australia gun control.

Google it.
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