The ACC, Big 12, Pac-12, and the SEC Conference . All suck. The BIG rules.

The ACC, Big 12, Pac-12, and the SEC Conference . All suck. The BIG rules.

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July 9th, 2018, 5:27 am #1

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The BIG has won more NC's than any other Power 5 Conference

 
1. BIG10- 40 (Michigan-11, Minnesota-6, Ohio State-7, Illinois-4 ,Michigan State-4, Penn State-4, Iowa-1

2. SEC-30 (Alabama-12, Tennessee-4, LSU-4, Florida-3, Ga- 2, Arkansas-1, Auburn-2, Ole Miss-2 )

3. BIG12- 19 (Oklahoma-7, Nebraska-5, Texas-4, Texas A&M-2, Colorado-1)

4. PAC10- 15 (Southern Cal-8, Cal-4, Stanford-1, Washington-1, UCLA-1)

5. ACC- 14 (Miami-5, Ga.Tech-4, Maryland-1, Fla St.-2, Clemson-1, Boston College-1)
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July 9th, 2018, 6:20 am #2

Clemson now has 2

But let's talk BCS era

SEC would definitely be the king during that time. Right now Clemson/Bama are the top tier with Oklahoma and Ohio State in the next tier.

Georgia looks like they may be building something to enter into the convo but I want Kirby to do it more than 1 year and will be interested to see what he does after losing 30 something seniors.
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July 9th, 2018, 7:37 am #3

nmerritt11 wrote: Clemson now has 2

But let's talk BCS era

SEC would definitely be the king during that time. Right now Clemson/Bama are the top tier with Oklahoma and Ohio State in the next tier.

Georgia looks like they may be building something to enter into the convo but I want Kirby to do it more than 1 year and will be interested to see what he does after losing 30 something seniors.
I am curious why you would put Clemson a notch above Ohio State ?

In the BCS era Ohio State won 1 NC …. Clemson won 0 NC …
In the CFP era Ohio State won 1 NC …. Clemson won 1 NC ..
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July 9th, 2018, 8:37 am #4

Clemson has beat them 2X in the last 5 years, been to 3 straight playoffs, 2 of the last 3 national title games and won 1.

Ohio State v/s Clemson rankings since Urban took over

Ohio State

2012: Ineligible to be ranked in final coaches/BCS poll and bowl game (3rd in AP)
2013: 10
2014: 1
2015: 4
2016: 6
2017: 5

Clemson

2012: 9
2013: 7
2014: 15
2015: 2
2016: 1
2017: 4

So Clemson has finished higher than Urban every year except 1 (2 if you count the AP in 2012) and that was with freaking Cole Stoudt as starter majority of the year because Watson tore his ACL and Chad Kelly got booted. But they wouldn't have finished ahead of OSU that year anyway because Buckeyes won it all

I just feel in todays CFB climate it is Bama/Clemson and then slightly below Ohio State and Oklahoma

The head to head doesnt lie...2-0 in last 5 years and gave Urban the only shut out he's ever had
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July 9th, 2018, 11:59 am #5

A couple of more and Clemson can catch up to Tennessee.   

Seriously though, Tradition is great and as a Tennessee fan it is all I have left but part of this is what have you done lately.  I will give the Big 10 credit though, they let the SEC get away from them in the BCS era but they are slowly pulling themselves back to the top.  I do think the Big 10 East is the best division but the SEC still has Bama.  
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July 10th, 2018, 4:32 am #6

DocVOLiday wrote:  I will give the Big 10 credit though, they let the SEC get away from them in the BCS era but they are slowly pulling themselves back to the top.  I do think the Big 10 East is the best division but the SEC still has Bama.  
A lot hinges on Nebraska and UofM finally getting back to the top.  I love Frost but I wonder if Nebraska is hopeless in the modern game.
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July 10th, 2018, 4:36 am #7

nmerritt11 wrote: Georgia looks like they may be building something to enter into the convo but I want Kirby to do it more than 1 year and will be interested to see what he does after losing 30 something seniors.
I know it sounds crazy, but I don't think they take a step back this year.  I think they play for the conference championship and have a solid chance to make the playoffs.  The big reason for my optimism is the schedule is manageable.  
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July 10th, 2018, 4:46 am #8

brown dog wrote:
nmerritt11 wrote: Georgia looks like they may be building something to enter into the convo but I want Kirby to do it more than 1 year and will be interested to see what he does after losing 30 something seniors.
I know it sounds crazy, but I don't think they take a step back this year.  I think they play for the conference championship and have a solid chance to make the playoffs.  The big reason for my optimism is the schedule is manageable.  
I don’t disagree...they are my favorites for the east.
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July 10th, 2018, 4:52 am #9

DocVOLiday wrote: A couple of more and Clemson can catch up to Tennessee.   

Seriously though, Tradition is great and as a Tennessee fan it is all I have left but part of this is what have you done lately.  I will give the Big 10 credit though, they let the SEC get away from them in the BCS era but they are slowly pulling themselves back to the top.  I do think the Big 10 East is the best division but the SEC still has Bama.  
I think SEC West is best division and I think ACC Atlantic would be pushing for 2nd it 3rd.

Watch out for Northwestern...I think they are about to be the TCU if BIG. They are spending money and Fitz is a good coach. Hunter Johnson could make them dangerous after this year
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July 10th, 2018, 5:01 am #10

Yeah, I can see Northwestern improving.  At the very least they seem to have a gameplan.  I have to imagine the Chicago area has some talent to draw from.
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July 10th, 2018, 5:33 am #11

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BCS ERA 1998 - 2013


" But let's talk BCS era " … Those are your words 

Ohio State v/s Clemson rankings BCS era ( AP Polls )

Ohio State

1998: 2
1999: Not in the Top 25
2000: Not in the Top 25
2001: Not in the Top 25
2002: 1 ( National Champions )
2003: 4
2004: 20
2005: 4
2006: 2
2007: 5
2008: 9
2009: 5
2010: 5
2011: Not in the Top 25
2012: Ineligible to be ranked in final coaches/BCS poll and bowl game (3rd in AP)
2013: 10
2014: 1
2015: 4
2016: 6
2017: 5

Clemson

1998: Not in the Top 25
1999: Not in the Top 25
2000: 16
2001: Not in the Top 25
2002: Not in the Top 25
2003: 22
2004: Not in the Top 25
2005: 21
2006: Not in the Top 25
2007: 21
2008: Not in the Top 25
2009: 24
2010: Not in the Top 25
2011: 22
2012: 9
2013: 7
2014: 15
2015: 2
2016: 1
2017: 4


since 1983 Ohio State has been ranked higher the Clemson 12 times ..
Clemson has been ranked higher than Ohio State 7 times …

Against teams ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season :
  • Ohio State — 14-4 (.778)
  • Clemson — 14-6 (.700)

Ohio State has won 2 NC's since 1983 ... Clemson has won 1 NC …

Ohio State is 2 - 1 in the CFP with one NC

Clemson has beaten the Buckeyes twice in the last 5 years …. 

You can say that Clemson has been better than the Buckeyes since 2015 … but that is not the entire BCS and CFP eras ….  but, I don't se how you can say OSU is a Tier below Clemson … 
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July 10th, 2018, 9:31 am #12

Is the question about which is a top tier or higher tier based on the current team and coaches in place today and this coming year? If so I don't see how a history lesson much past maybe one year or so matters for either team.

Today's teams are today's teams. Games from 2016 or 2012 or 2006 or whenever don't mean much of anything.
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July 10th, 2018, 10:23 am #13

I think you have to look back through history to determined if a program is a Top Tier program or a lower Tier Program … one or two years just tells you if a team is good for those years … When you look back 25 or 30 years then you get big enough slice of the pie to determine if a program is Top Tier or not …. I am not arguing who has the better team or program right now.. …I am objecting to this …

"  Right now Clemson/Bama are the top tier with Oklahoma and Ohio State in the next tier. " 

and to say that the Oklahoma or Ohio State program are not on the same Tier as Clemson and Bama is wrong … they are an elite program too … btw, there are more than just 4 teams that belong on the same Tier ..
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July 10th, 2018, 3:25 pm #14

Kentuckytoo wrote: .
BCS ERA 1998 - 2013


" But let's talk BCS era " … Those are your words 

Ohio State v/s Clemson rankings BCS era ( AP Polls )

Ohio State

1998: 2
1999: Not in the Top 25
2000: Not in the Top 25
2001: Not in the Top 25
2002: 1 ( National Champions )
2003: 4
2004: 20
2005: 4
2006: 2
2007: 5
2008: 9
2009: 5
2010: 5
2011: Not in the Top 25
2012: Ineligible to be ranked in final coaches/BCS poll and bowl game (3rd in AP)
2013: 10
2014: 1
2015: 4
2016: 6
2017: 5

Clemson

1998: Not in the Top 25
1999: Not in the Top 25
2000: 16
2001: Not in the Top 25
2002: Not in the Top 25
2003: 22
2004: Not in the Top 25
2005: 21
2006: Not in the Top 25
2007: 21
2008: Not in the Top 25
2009: 24
2010: Not in the Top 25
2011: 22
2012: 9
2013: 7
2014: 15
2015: 2
2016: 1
2017: 4


since 1983 Ohio State has been ranked higher the Clemson 12 times ..
Clemson has been ranked higher than Ohio State 7 times …

Against teams ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season :
  • Ohio State — 14-4 (.778)
  • Clemson — 14-6 (.700)

Ohio State has won 2 NC's since 1983 ... Clemson has won 1 NC …

Ohio State is 2 - 1 in the CFP with one NC

Clemson has beaten the Buckeyes twice in the last 5 years …. 

You can say that Clemson has been better than the Buckeyes since 2015 … but that is not the entire BCS and CFP eras ….  but, I don't se how you can say OSU is a Tier below Clemson … 
However you want to look at it...right now...current footprint of college football Clemson is ahead of OSU

History OSU would win but today...It is Clemson and Bama
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July 11th, 2018, 3:42 am #15

They were better last year. We don't know about this season, yet? But I am not debating about who is better right now . I am objecting to you saying this ….


"  Right now Clemson/Bama are the top tier with Oklahoma and Ohio State in the next tier. " 


I am saying that the Buckeyes and probably 6 or 8 other teams  are on the same Tier as Clemson and Alabama . It will take a season of playing the games to determine who is the best team this season. 

The top tier isn't just Bama and Clemson is the group of schools who consistently win year in and year out ….
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July 11th, 2018, 3:46 am #16

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All-Time Greatest Programs Ranking According to AP

The College Football Playoff has taken over the national championship discussion and focus, but the AP national title winners have mirrored the BCS and then the CFP champs.

CFN has created a formula looking back at all the past AP national champions, giving the title winner 25 points, the No. 2 team in the final AP rankings 24 points, on down to the bottom – a 1 for the No. 25 team. Where have the top programs of the decade finished?

2010s AP National Champions

2010 Auburn
2011 Alabama
2012 Alabama
2013 Florida State
2014 Ohio State
2015 Alabama
2016 Clemson
2017 Alabama

2010s AP Rankings Greatest Teams

These rankings are created according to the CFN scoring system – this isn’t the official AP ranking of its all-time greatest teams.
Rank Team Points Last Year
1 Alabama 181 1
2 Ohio State 146 2
3 Oklahoma 126 6
4 Clemson 121 7
5 Stanford 118 4
6 Oregon 117 3
7 Florida State 104 5
8 Michigan St 101 8
9 LSU 97 9
10 TCU 95 10
11 Wisconsin 93 11
12 Oklahoma St 78 12
13 Auburn 71 16
14 USC 70 15
15 Georgia 69 19
16 South Carolina 61 13
T17 Baylor 58 14
T17 Notre Dame 58 20
19 Boise State 57 17
20 Miss State 49 21
21 Michigan 46 18
T22 UCF 41 32
T22 Missouri 41 22
24 Penn State 37 33
25 Texas A&M 36 23
Seems there are other folks who think Ohio State belongs with the Top Tier Schools .

https://collegefootballnews.com/2018/01 ... 10-to-2017
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July 11th, 2018, 7:56 am #17

Kentuckytoo wrote: They were better last year. We don't know about this season, yet? But I am not debating about who is better right now . I am objecting to you saying this ….


"  Right now Clemson/Bama are the top tier with Oklahoma and Ohio State in the next tier. " 


I am saying that the Buckeyes and probably 6 or 8 other teams  are on the same Tier as Clemson and Alabama . It will take a season of playing the games to determine who is the best team this season. 

The top tier isn't just Bama and Clemson is the group of schools who consistently win year in and year out ….
I just feel Clemson has been more consistent in the playoff era...I am fine if you want to include them in the same sentence as Clemson/Bama I just disagree and feel Clemson and Bama have been more consistent and the 2-0 head to head of Dabo/Urban with Clemson humiliating them the last time, I give Clemson the edge.

I feel OSU has underachieved a few years while Clemson has finished better then their preseason rankings for 6 or so years in a row and made 3 straight playoffs, 2 title game appearances, and won a natty
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July 11th, 2018, 8:01 am #18

And by the way if resumes were reversed I would have it Bama and OSU

This is not me trying to be a homer. I am just looking at results, head to head match ups, play off appearances (which is current era of CFB), and national titles/appearances...
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July 11th, 2018, 8:04 am #19

ok , I will agree that Clemson has been on a nice run , and over the last 3 year has done better  than the Buckeyes ….but in the CFP era they both have the same number of National Championships..
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July 11th, 2018, 8:07 am #20

Kentuckytoo wrote: ok , I will agree that Clemson has been on a nice run , and over the last 3 year has done better  than the Buckeyes ….but in the CFP era they both have the same number of National Championships..
Yes so at that point, you have to go to the next criteria...to me that is head to head...

In Urbans time at OSU and in the playoff era, Clemson has been more consistent and owns the head to head
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July 11th, 2018, 8:19 am #21

nmerritt11 wrote:
Kentuckytoo wrote: ok , I will agree that Clemson has been on a nice run , and over the last 3 year has done better  than the Buckeyes ….but in the CFP era they both have the same number of National Championships..
Yes so at that point, you have to go to the next criteria...to me that is head to head...

In Urbans time at OSU and in the playoff era, Clemson has been more consistent and owns the head to head
I agree that Clemson has done better over the last 3 years  … I just object to the use of the phrase "  Top Tier " … to determine which college football programs are on the same " Tier " , you have to look at the whole pie …. not just two or three small slices … it is not Bama/Clemson … and then the rest of college football … there are a number of teams that are in the top Tier of college football 
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