Pro Days

Pro Days

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March 19th, 2018, 8:43 am #1

Today is Tennessee's NFL Pro day.  Not as exciting as last year with guys like Kamara and Barnett.   Kelly just ran a 4.65 40 which is a lot slower than I would have guessed.   Evan Berry is at the WR position.  A lot of Tennessee fans thought he should have been on the offense and if he turns out to be a NFL WR it will just show how bad Butch was at evaluating his talent.  Butch's thought pattern probably was something on the lines of "hey, his brother was a great safety so that is the only position I see him in."

Kelly's second run is 4.5 which puts him around Kamara speed.  That seems more likely.  
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March 19th, 2018, 8:48 am #2

UGA's pro day is Wednesay.  Clemson apparently had their's while I was at McCoy.  Here are some notes I found from Marcel Louis-Jacques, Orange and White:


A few notes from pro day include:
- Ray-Ray McCloud said he was disappointed with his 40-yard dash time at the NFL Combine and set out to improve it Thursday. He didn't have the specific times but I unofficially clocked him at both a 4.40 and a 4.51; he told reporters that scouts had him in the high 4.3s and the low 4.4s. Either way, it's an improvement over the 4.53 he ran in Indianapolis.
- Ryan Carter was inexplicably shunned from the NFL Combine, despite the fact that he was arguably Clemson's best cornerback in 2017. He looked noticeably bigger Thursday, probably to prove to scouts that he can hold his own at the line of scrimmage. He put up an impressive 16 reps of 225 pounds and didn't look any slower than he did during the season. 

- Several players who weren't on last season's team participated in drills Thursday, including Jay Guillermo, Jadar Johnson, Adrian Baker, Tyshon Dye, and Korrin Wiggins. Guillermo was particularly impressive, putting up 36 reps on the bench press.
- Deon Cain did not run the 40-yard dash nor the shuttle drills and passed on the bench press, as well. It's not surprising after he ran a 4.41 in Indianapolis — he had nowhere to go but down. He did have a lengthy conversation with a scout from the Arizona Cardinals and ran routes with McCloud. He's another player from Clemson's 2017 team that's clearly been putting in time at the gym; he looks ready to take on the physical punishment of the NFL.
Former Clemson wide receiver Deon Cain (8) works out during the teams pro day at Clemson on Thursday, March 15, 2018. (Photo: JOSHUA S. KELLY/Contributer)

- Dorian O'Daniel ran both linebacker and defensive back drills and drew attention from essentially every scout in the building. He tested as one of the most athletic linebackers at the NFL Combine but his size and perceived lack of aggression at the point of attack has some scouts wondering what position he's meant to play in the NFL.
- Drew Costa, one of my favorite stories from this season, spent a lot of time kicking for a scout from the New York Jets. The scout also looked at Christian Groomes. The Jets probably won't draft either player, but for Costa, going from mid-season walk-on to working out for an NFL scout has to be a cool feeling. Good for him.

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- Jadar Johnson spoke at length on his journey away from football over the past seven months. It's a story worth reading (yes, this is a shameless plug but I'm not wrong).
More: 'I'm happy:' Clemson's Jadar Johnson back after leaving football to work on mental health


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Clemson Tigers players participate during Clemson's pro day events at the Clemson Football Indoor Facility.   Joshua S. Kelly/Contributer, Joshua S. Kelly
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- Several current Clemson players were in attendance, some of whom will attract nearly every scout in the league next year. Christian Wilkins, Austin Bryant, Clelin Ferrell, and Dexter Lawrence could very well be first-round picks next year and got an early look at what to expect during their impending pro day.
- Another bit on Ray-Ray McCloud, he told reporters NFL teams are looking at him exclusively as a wide receiver. However, he did participate in defensive back drills and returned punts for a large crowd
- Notable results: Tyrone Crowder, 32 bench press reps; Marcus Edmond, 4.49 40-yard dash; Ray-Ray McCloud, 34.5" vertical jump
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March 19th, 2018, 8:51 am #3

Ohio State's pro day is Thurs.  
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March 19th, 2018, 9:03 am #4

Kahlil McKenzie looked solid today during DL drills at Tennessee’s Pro Day, but several teams asked him to do some OL work and KMac gladly obliged. First time since HS he said. “I’ll do whatever they need me to do.”  So again, another highly recruited and talented player that the professionals see in a different role than Butch had them in.  
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March 19th, 2018, 12:23 pm #5

DocVOLiday wrote: So again, another highly recruited and talented player that the professionals see in a different role than Butch had them in.  
I've mentioned a few times that Smart did some weird shit his first season and referred to it as a throw away season.  It looked like he didn't really care about winning.  UGA's  OL was a great example.  We played Isaiah Wynn at Guard, but this year moved him to Tackle where he was 2nd team All American and 1st team All SEC.  So why wasn't he playing Tackle Smart's first year?  Well, we had graduate transfer Tyler Catalina at Tackle of course.  He was like a fucking turnstile!  Well, he plays Guard for the Redskins.  So, we had a potential first round tackle playing guard and a current NFL guard playing tackle.  
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March 19th, 2018, 4:15 pm #6

I hope there is talent on this team waiting to be uncovered by Pruitt.

One interesting thing from today. Evan Berry ran a 4.34 40. That was 1/100 faster than Eric. Little brother finally has something to hang over his famous sibling.
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March 19th, 2018, 5:24 pm #7

I hear UT only has 8 OL guys practicing nd that includes walk ons.  
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March 20th, 2018, 5:06 am #8

Clemson

-RayRay probably could have benefited from coming back and playing a year at corner. Honestly, many tried to get him to move their early in his career because it's just a better position for him. He is so versatile someone will draft him late and find a way to use him in my opinion

-Cain caught the ball well at the combine but had some bad drops at Pro Day. Sort of the story of his career. He will make a great #2 WR in the league but doesnt have the mentality to be that alpha dog

-I have tried to tell everyone that as much attention as the DL at Clemson got, it was Dorian O'Daniel that was our MVP. He was potentially the most complete LB in college football. He covers like a corner but plays like a LB. He had 88 tackles, 11.5 TFL, 5 sacks, and 2 pick 6s. Roquan Smith might have been the only LB that was better than him this past season.  And I do not think the gap was huge.

-Ryan Carter is a football player. I remember defending him on Clemson boards when they offered him a scholarship. Everyone thought it was to try and secure Nkemdiche and Kamara. When they bolted people were pissed. I tried to tell them that he was a better football player than Kamara (the Grayson one) and that he'd help Clemson win games. Now that said, I thought it would be in a special teams and potentially a two deep safety role. I never thought he'd be our Swiss Army knife at DB and one of the top cover corners. Plays a lot bigger than his size, can play safety, nickel and corner, and is a physical tackler.

-Hearn did himself no favors with his bench press. It's probably why he got ate up a good bit. He has great technique but man...that was embarrassing.

-It would be so cool of Costa actually made a roster in the NFL after never really kicking at Clemson. He was offered a walk-on try out several eyars ago and the scholarship went to Huegel. Costa went back to being a student. When Spence was struggling after Huegel went down they called him back to the team to compete for the job. It was end of the season and Spence started kicking better so he never had a chance. One weekend he was in the stands and the next running down the hill. Did kick a couple extra points and had a few kickoffs. hey...his leg is fresh
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March 20th, 2018, 5:18 am #9

Speaking of the bench press they are pointing out over at Volnation that our punter benched more than our linemen.   That is all you need to know about the current state of UT football. 
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March 20th, 2018, 4:33 pm #10

nmerritt11 wrote: Clemson

-RayRay probably could have benefited from coming back and playing a year at corner. Honestly, many tried to get him to move their early in his career because it's just a better position for him. He is so versatile someone will draft him late and find a way to use him in my opinion

-Cain caught the ball well at the combine but had some bad drops at Pro Day. Sort of the story of his career. He will make a great #2 WR in the league but doesnt have the mentality to be that alpha dog

-I have tried to tell everyone that as much attention as the DL at Clemson got, it was Dorian O'Daniel that was our MVP. He was potentially the most complete LB in college football. He covers like a corner but plays like a LB. He had 88 tackles, 11.5 TFL, 5 sacks, and 2 pick 6s. Roquan Smith might have been the only LB that was better than him this past season.  And I do not think the gap was huge.

-Ryan Carter is a football player. I remember defending him on Clemson boards when they offered him a scholarship. Everyone thought it was to try and secure Nkemdiche and Kamara. When they bolted people were pissed. I tried to tell them that he was a better football player than Kamara (the Grayson one) and that he'd help Clemson win games. Now that said, I thought it would be in a special teams and potentially a two deep safety role. I never thought he'd be our Swiss Army knife at DB and one of the top cover corners. Plays a lot bigger than his size, can play safety, nickel and corner, and is a physical tackler.

-Hearn did himself no favors with his bench press. It's probably why he got ate up a good bit. He has great technique but man...that was embarrassing.

-It would be so cool of Costa actually made a roster in the NFL after never really kicking at Clemson. He was offered a walk-on try out several eyars ago and the scholarship went to Huegel. Costa went back to being a student. When Spence was struggling after Huegel went down they called him back to the team to compete for the job. It was end of the season and Spence started kicking better so he never had a chance. One weekend he was in the stands and the next running down the hill. Did kick a couple extra points and had a few kickoffs. hey...his leg is fresh
It seems like a lot of Clemson guys are putting on muscle for the NFL grind.  Dabo & Company have to get them to do that why they're at Clemson.

I like O'Daniel too, but I think he is too small to find a spot on an NFL roster.  fwiw, I think if Roquan doesn't land in a good fit he will have a rough NFL career too.
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March 21st, 2018, 12:46 am #11

brown dog wrote:
nmerritt11 wrote: Clemson

-RayRay probably could have benefited from coming back and playing a year at corner. Honestly, many tried to get him to move their early in his career because it's just a better position for him. He is so versatile someone will draft him late and find a way to use him in my opinion

-Cain caught the ball well at the combine but had some bad drops at Pro Day. Sort of the story of his career. He will make a great #2 WR in the league but doesnt have the mentality to be that alpha dog

-I have tried to tell everyone that as much attention as the DL at Clemson got, it was Dorian O'Daniel that was our MVP. He was potentially the most complete LB in college football. He covers like a corner but plays like a LB. He had 88 tackles, 11.5 TFL, 5 sacks, and 2 pick 6s. Roquan Smith might have been the only LB that was better than him this past season.  And I do not think the gap was huge.

-Ryan Carter is a football player. I remember defending him on Clemson boards when they offered him a scholarship. Everyone thought it was to try and secure Nkemdiche and Kamara. When they bolted people were pissed. I tried to tell them that he was a better football player than Kamara (the Grayson one) and that he'd help Clemson win games. Now that said, I thought it would be in a special teams and potentially a two deep safety role. I never thought he'd be our Swiss Army knife at DB and one of the top cover corners. Plays a lot bigger than his size, can play safety, nickel and corner, and is a physical tackler.

-Hearn did himself no favors with his bench press. It's probably why he got ate up a good bit. He has great technique but man...that was embarrassing.

-It would be so cool of Costa actually made a roster in the NFL after never really kicking at Clemson. He was offered a walk-on try out several eyars ago and the scholarship went to Huegel. Costa went back to being a student. When Spence was struggling after Huegel went down they called him back to the team to compete for the job. It was end of the season and Spence started kicking better so he never had a chance. One weekend he was in the stands and the next running down the hill. Did kick a couple extra points and had a few kickoffs. hey...his leg is fresh
It seems like a lot of Clemson guys are putting on muscle for the NFL grind.  Dabo & Company have to get them to do that why they're at Clemson.

I like O'Daniel too, but I think he is too small to find a spot on an NFL roster.  fwiw, I think if Roquan doesn't land in a good fit he will have a rough NFL career too.
He is currently 225 and that is plenty big for a SAM/Nickel. He will likely be able to add some bulk in an NFL system so he could play at 235 without losing speed. O’Daniels ability to cover sets him apart. He will play in the NFL as will Smith
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March 21st, 2018, 5:00 am #12

What is it about the NFL system that lets him put on 10 pounds without losing speed?  

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's easier to use PEDs in college.
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March 21st, 2018, 5:12 am #13

As far as I know the NCAA does not look for PEDs at all.
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March 21st, 2018, 5:21 am #14

I think it's up to the schools to do all the random testing and the NCAA tests when they get a credible tip that they want to check out.  I've heard that in HS you can get away with almost anything, so elite players often do.  College it has to be kept quiet.  In the NFL I think they random drug test.

I think we're in a phase of the game where a lot of the players have taken advantage of PEDs just like baseball during the steroid era.  These kids are huge and fast.  Maybe they will crack down on it because of the concussion liability.
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March 21st, 2018, 5:32 am #15

brown dog wrote: What is it about the NFL system that lets him put on 10 pounds without losing speed?  

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's easier to use PEDs in college.
NFL you have 1 focus, 1 job, more resources and more time.

DOD was the only player that could cover Renfrow consistently. Clemson could match him up on slot guys or tight ends and not have to provide him with help. He was a 5th DB out there and with the NFL being a passing league and using a lot of Nickel and DIME packages he can be a huge weapon. DOD is a worker...he brings his lunch pale everyday and loves the game. I think he will have a long and solid career.
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March 21st, 2018, 6:09 am #16

I thought he was a late round guy, but you seem to think he is 3rd roundish.
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March 21st, 2018, 6:54 am #17

He had a tremendous combine and pro day. They are saying he is one of the guys who has trended way up. He had the fastest 3 cone shuttle by a linebacker since 2006 and I think second fastest all time. His 20 yard shuttle was the fastest by a LB and his 4.61 forty and 21 reps didnt hurt him at all. Also, he looked really natural in the DB drills on his pro day.

CBS has him late 1st round so that means I've seen him anywhere from 1st to 6th haha!

I think 3rd is probably fair...some say the Patriots love him
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March 21st, 2018, 7:31 am #18

UGA is today.  There is no one I am terribly excited to see their stats other than maybe Bellamy who missed out on the combine with a pulled hammy.   
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March 22nd, 2018, 10:17 am #19

Maybe I can get K2 to post again: 

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Some unofficial 40 times on my watch from Ohio State pro day: Elijaah Goins 4.41 Sam Hubbard 4.88 Marcus Baugh 4.78 Erick Smith 4.76 Tracy Sprinkle 5.08 Zach Turnure 4.69 Tyquan Lewis 4.69 Damon Webb 4.58 Trevon Forte 4.76 Nick Seme 4.86 Trevon Saunders 4.56 Hunter Joseph 4.68

There is some serious speed there.  Meyer likes 'em fast.  
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