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Joined: November 19th, 2003, 11:38 pm

May 7th, 2012, 12:23 pm #1

I am about to start on a build for a friends Falcon. He has a good std bore block and likes the idea of a stroker for torque on the street.
Are there any inherent problems with a 408 cube Cleveland with such a long stroke for extended street use. It probably wont see more than 5,500 rpm and will have air cond and p/s and a C4 with 2,500 stall and 3.25's
Thanks,
John
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Joined: May 20th, 2005, 4:48 pm

May 7th, 2012, 12:47 pm #2

Great combo, especially for a cruiser with a higher rearend gear. Gobs of torque down low and power up top too.

Brent Lykins
B2 Motorsports, LLC






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Joined: February 17th, 2004, 11:02 pm

May 7th, 2012, 4:22 pm #3

> No issues at all....

The only problem I can see is that George will berate you for not building a Cleveand just like
he did in the 1970's as his nostalgia blinds him to the facts that it is no longer 1973 and not
everyone is like George and some people have different tastes and goals for their engines and vehicles.

Dan "tongue-firmly-in-cheek" Jones
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Joined: December 16th, 2003, 1:59 am

May 7th, 2012, 6:34 pm #4

I am about to start on a build for a friends Falcon. He has a good std bore block and likes the idea of a stroker for torque on the street.
Are there any inherent problems with a 408 cube Cleveland with such a long stroke for extended street use. It probably wont see more than 5,500 rpm and will have air cond and p/s and a C4 with 2,500 stall and 3.25's
Thanks,
John
that leaves a very narrow power band, it'll fry the tires to 5500, then what? why build a low rpm monster and not use it?

i don't see a 4" arm in a light car needing much/any stall, maybe even a super tight mileage converter to be able to use the low end rather than skip right over it

and you may still find that the 3.25 is more than you like/need with no OD




there'll be phantoms, there'll be fires on the road... and the white man dancing
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Joined: December 19th, 2008, 2:01 pm

May 7th, 2012, 7:15 pm #5

"and you may still find that the 3.25 is more than you like/need with no OD"

I chose 3.25 (after choosing 3.50 and rethinking it) and 80 MPH cruising = 3500 RPM's. Depends on how you use your car but I don't feel comfortable running 3500 RPM for very long. I usually run in the slow lane around 70 mph at 3000 RPM.

Need OD so I can run 3.70 (or something like that)

Anyone know what cars had Tremec 3550 from the factory?
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Joined: May 20th, 2005, 4:48 pm

May 7th, 2012, 7:39 pm #6

....just like no cars have the TKO 500/600 from the factory. The most common overdrive manual boxes were the T5, T45, 3650, and the T-56.

The 3550 was the older version of the current TKO 500/600 with a much lower torque capacity.

Brent Lykins
B2 Motorsports, LLC






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Joined: July 21st, 2005, 12:13 am

May 7th, 2012, 11:23 pm #7

The 1995 Mustang Cobra R came with a 351 Windsor and a Tremec 3550 transmission. Edit: The 3550 is rated at 350 ft-lbs of torque but many people run them behind motors making more than that. I would recommend a TKO500 or 600 for a Cleveland, especially a 408 if you're putting sticky tires on the car or making trips to the strip.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang_SVT_Cobra
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May 7th, 2012, 11:33 pm #8

...which is what I assumed he was asking. Kinda hard to go to the salvage yard to find some '95 Cobra R's to get the transmissions out of...hahaha

You can find 3550's for sale on a lot of the forums (mainly Shelby Cobra replica and Mustang sites), but a lot of them get trashed. They had a few other versions, the TKO and TKO II. The TKO II could actually hold a little bit of power, but even it is not comparable to the TKO 500 and 600.

Brent Lykins
B2 Motorsports, LLC






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May 8th, 2012, 11:20 am #9

that leaves a very narrow power band, it'll fry the tires to 5500, then what? why build a low rpm monster and not use it?

i don't see a 4" arm in a light car needing much/any stall, maybe even a super tight mileage converter to be able to use the low end rather than skip right over it

and you may still find that the 3.25 is more than you like/need with no OD




there'll be phantoms, there'll be fires on the road... and the white man dancing
its an Australian Falcon coupe similar in size/weight to a '71-73 Mustang. What I was trying to say is he wants something that will rev to 6-6500rpm but I doubt he will rev it hard as he has never had this type of car before and is in his 40's, but who knows.
I'm sure a mild 351c around 350hp would be plenty but everyone else has said you NEED a stroker with alloy heads if you are running a cleveland!
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May 8th, 2012, 12:16 pm #10

....just like no cars have the TKO 500/600 from the factory. The most common overdrive manual boxes were the T5, T45, 3650, and the T-56.

The 3550 was the older version of the current TKO 500/600 with a much lower torque capacity.

Brent Lykins
B2 Motorsports, LLC





Thanks Brent n/m
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