My 4v build... Hot street/drag...

My 4v build... Hot street/drag...

Joined: January 15th, 2009, 1:00 am

September 12th, 2011, 11:19 am #1

I'm building a 351 stock stroke cleveland for my 69 mustang.... It is going to be driven on street time to time and driven to the track.... It going to have built t5 ( so overdrive) with 4.30 gears... My problem is I'm having a hard time finding the right combo.. So if anyone can help me pinpoint me tO a decent combo... I'm tryig to have the car run a 11.80.... Here is what I have so far...

Stock crank
Stock rods with arp bolts
Pistons (forged 10.5-11.0 compression need some)
Holley strip dominator intake
850 carb
Closed chambered 4v heads pocket ported undercut valves
Roller rockers 1.73 blue racer
Cam (solid flat might have custom grind any ideas?)


So what I want is a car I can cruise up to the car shows and track run a high 11 on drag radials and skinnies of course.... Run on 93 gas with about 3 gallons of 100 mixed in for safety....

Does anyone have a set of standard forged pistons that'll work they will sell me?
Any off the shelf solid flat cam that will work or go custom?
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September 12th, 2011, 11:26 am #2

The strip dominator might be out the window.... I can't find mine in my stuff then I remembered I used it on my friends fox body Cleveland...... Well he bought it...

So all I have as of right now is a torker intake.... Will a torker still work?
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September 12th, 2011, 11:29 am #3

I'm building a 351 stock stroke cleveland for my 69 mustang.... It is going to be driven on street time to time and driven to the track.... It going to have built t5 ( so overdrive) with 4.30 gears... My problem is I'm having a hard time finding the right combo.. So if anyone can help me pinpoint me tO a decent combo... I'm tryig to have the car run a 11.80.... Here is what I have so far...

Stock crank
Stock rods with arp bolts
Pistons (forged 10.5-11.0 compression need some)
Holley strip dominator intake
850 carb
Closed chambered 4v heads pocket ported undercut valves
Roller rockers 1.73 blue racer
Cam (solid flat might have custom grind any ideas?)


So what I want is a car I can cruise up to the car shows and track run a high 11 on drag radials and skinnies of course.... Run on 93 gas with about 3 gallons of 100 mixed in for safety....

Does anyone have a set of standard forged pistons that'll work they will sell me?
Any off the shelf solid flat cam that will work or go custom?
Have you had any machine work done to the block? I wouldn't recommend finding a set of standard pistons and swapping them in without at least having the bores checked for straightness and a hone job. Good machine work is the foundation of any good build.

As far as your other parts go, I think you'd have a nice running engine with the parts that you have. Off the shelf solid cams are definitely available and I can make a recommendation when you get all your other parts lined out.

As for the T5, it won't last on the strip. They won't last behind factory 5.0 Mustangs on street tires, much less a hot Cleveland running drag radials.

Brent Lykins
B2 Motorsports, LLC






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September 12th, 2011, 11:30 am #4

The strip dominator might be out the window.... I can't find mine in my stuff then I remembered I used it on my friends fox body Cleveland...... Well he bought it...

So all I have as of right now is a torker intake.... Will a torker still work?
...on anything else, they're about the bottom of the barrel as far as intakes go.

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B2 Motorsports, LLC






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September 12th, 2011, 12:46 pm #5

Have you had any machine work done to the block? I wouldn't recommend finding a set of standard pistons and swapping them in without at least having the bores checked for straightness and a hone job. Good machine work is the foundation of any good build.

As far as your other parts go, I think you'd have a nice running engine with the parts that you have. Off the shelf solid cams are definitely available and I can make a recommendation when you get all your other parts lined out.

As for the T5, it won't last on the strip. They won't last behind factory 5.0 Mustangs on street tires, much less a hot Cleveland running drag radials.

Brent Lykins
B2 Motorsports, LLC





The block was checked and line bored and honed... Restrictors installed and all...

Guess I'm shopping for a new intake.... Which can I buy that won't break the bank? X cellarator?

It's not a stock t5 I blew many of them up in my foxbody days.... This one is a"z" tranny.... Rated to 435hp 400 torque.... And I won't drop the clutch at all or anything like that..... Just slip it out....

Any help would be great.... I''m ok with spinning this thing to 7000-7500..... And with 4.30 gears I shouldn't have to much a problem getting there.
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September 12th, 2011, 12:54 pm #6

...not a bad intake at all, especially since you already have one.

The Z spec trans isn't really much stronger. If you don't do any clutch drops, you may be ok, but I have a feeling you'll drop some gears if you start shifting it quick.

Do you have to have a forged piston? I have some Diamond pistons that work at 4.005". Otherwise we may be able to find some other options.

What is your current bore size? Did they hone the block?



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B2 Motorsports, LLC






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September 12th, 2011, 1:07 pm #7

Ok I will use the torker then since I have it...

As of right now I do not have any pistons.... Yes they honed it... I'm thought I would just need standard 4.0 pistons?

Maybe I'll check out the bore for sure with a bore checker.... As I forgot what it is... He said just standard... By it was honed maybe that makes it 4.005??
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September 12th, 2011, 1:18 pm #8

I'm building a 351 stock stroke cleveland for my 69 mustang.... It is going to be driven on street time to time and driven to the track.... It going to have built t5 ( so overdrive) with 4.30 gears... My problem is I'm having a hard time finding the right combo.. So if anyone can help me pinpoint me tO a decent combo... I'm tryig to have the car run a 11.80.... Here is what I have so far...

Stock crank
Stock rods with arp bolts
Pistons (forged 10.5-11.0 compression need some)
Holley strip dominator intake
850 carb
Closed chambered 4v heads pocket ported undercut valves
Roller rockers 1.73 blue racer
Cam (solid flat might have custom grind any ideas?)


So what I want is a car I can cruise up to the car shows and track run a high 11 on drag radials and skinnies of course.... Run on 93 gas with about 3 gallons of 100 mixed in for safety....

Does anyone have a set of standard forged pistons that'll work they will sell me?
Any off the shelf solid flat cam that will work or go custom?
<div>Jim, unfortunately building a true street/strip car is always going to be a two headed "compromise" coin flip, never fully reaching the full potential of both sides of the coin.</div><div> </div><div>But on the other hand if you're realistically aiming more for a "street" use combo, (and strip use to a much lesser degree) the truth is a simple flat top Cleveland & small hyd cam combo (A) probably won't set world records at the track, but (B) <strong>will </strong>still be a super fun kick-ass blast to drive on the streets. Too many people think they need a 700hp Cleveland/1000 hp 460 to have fun on the street. That's overkill in a lot of situations when a simple street Cleveland can rock your balls stoplight to stoplight.</div><div> </div><div>   </div><div>Like Brent said, the T5 might not hang around too long (street or strip) with enough low end torque & sticky tires. Like them or hate them an auto trans is probably the way to go on a dual use car. They are a simple way to cover a lot of different engine combos.</div><div> </div><div>A C-6 would pretty much be bullet proof for the average street Cleveland. And with a lower 1st gear swapped in from an OD trans you could run a little less rear gear for a better highway manners. The down side is a C-6 will chew up some power. Even a full rollerised C-6 will eat up some power because of the heavy internals.</div><div> </div><div>A C-4 is an idea, they don't chew up as much power as the C-6. And their technology has come a long way over the years. If they can be built strong enough to hold up behind some pretty stout/torquey 429-460 combos nowdays, a street Cleveland should be no problem. The down side is they can be a little expensive when built for big power. And a different 1st gear set for a C-4 can be a little pricey too.</div><div> </div><div>An FMX is somewhat of an idea, I blasted the crap out of one on the street & track with nitrous for years with no failures. The big down side is little or no aftermarket support for the FMX. I used a B&M Trans Pack valvebody kit for mine & found the one company at the time (now long gone) that actually knew how to build a FMX converter that worked.</div><div> </div><div>A TH400 is in the same boat as the C-6, pretty much bullet proof for a street Cleveland. But a heavy trans with heavy internals that will rob some power. The added down side is buying the adapter.</div><div> </div><div>A 'glide is the ideal race trans for a lot of engine combos big and small, but really not the best idea on the street.</div><div> </div><div>The non computer Ford AOD has come a long way over the years with a bunch of aftermarket support. It would probably be a decent choice for a street driven Cleveland. But I'm not to sure how well/long it would hold up at the track with decent torque & dead-hooking slicks.</div>

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September 12th, 2011, 1:26 pm #9

Ya I know autos are alot better per say... But rowing your own gears nothing beats it.... I think since I have this one.... Once it blows up it's time to switch to a 600 hp tko..... That'll hold up.... Or my old toploader laying on the floor...

Ya I'm not wanting to break records or even be the fastest car... Just a mild 11 second combo if it's out there would work for me... I believe my car is only about 3400lbs with me in it.... 1969 mustang fastback... Aluminum rad... Skinnies, no sound deadener... Etc....

Forgot to add... I'm thinking a solid flat cam.... Can't beat em for the price....
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September 12th, 2011, 1:28 pm #10

Ok I will use the torker then since I have it...

As of right now I do not have any pistons.... Yes they honed it... I'm thought I would just need standard 4.0 pistons?

Maybe I'll check out the bore for sure with a bore checker.... As I forgot what it is... He said just standard... By it was honed maybe that makes it 4.005??
...then we can help you out.

Brent Lykins
B2 Motorsports, LLC






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