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I'm very interested in peoples opinions on the impeding war. Myself I am not against war and beleive Saddam Hussein is a real threat to the security of free people. He is often quoted to be very "anti-western" saying he will fight the USA and the UK anywhere until he meets the grave. I understand I do not understand all that is going on in this thing but I do realise that it is a very grave reason for us to be going to war. I live in the UK, where our prime minister is being accused of crawling up Bushes arse but I for one do not beleive it. Even in the face of the majority of our public, huge demonstrations and members of parliment walking out and quitting he has still maintained that Saddam is a threat and he needs to be disarmed now. After all this it seems very likely that he has little or no chance of being re-elected into office and he doesn't seem to care as long as Saddam is taken care of.
I beleive the views on the subject to be very different to different people and I respect everybodys views. I know that in the USA people may feel more strongly either way because they have been attacked on their own turf, in their own country. I feel very sad for any casulties that come from this war and any war and I do wish that war wasn't a kind of action that was used anymore but I do beleive that Saddam is playing games with everybody.
Please make your own posts and tell us/me your views and please don't lock this thread like the last one, if you don't want to know about it or talk about just don't read the thread. If you lock this thread it's the same as taking away freedom of speech so don't do it please.
Edit: Alternatively it all could be about penis size Damn it all to hell... I need to pay for a HTML sig?

don't like war
don't want war
don't see the reason to have war....Bakamitai....
- doraemi

I'm annoyed that everyone in the goddamn fucking world feels the need to talk about this war. I'm annoyed that I can't go to a single fucking website and not read about it, I have to hear about it on TV, on the radio, on the train, on the bus; there's 6 other people that post on this board regularly, if you want opinions, go to CNN.com or some shit. I'm pretty sure Moon agrees with me here, too.not allowed

Read the fucking topic "Views on war (don't read if you don't wanna know)"
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REPEAT AGAIN IN CASE YOU WERE TO ARROGANT TO PAY ATTENTION
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Damn it all to hell... I need to pay for a HTML sig?

I don't want to hear ANYTHING about the war anymore, including fucking topic headers. Jesusgoddamnfuckingchrist.not allowed

Well like I sed, I respect your views and you are very much entitled to them. I don't want a war but it does seem like a war is needed I am afraid to say. I may be critisised for saying it but I do beleive that is just what Saddam is like.Damn it all to hell... I need to pay for a HTML sig?

Am I the only one who finds it amusing that you, Gest, don't want to hear about this "war"? You don't follow the news, you don't read the paper, and frankly, you probably don't even know a tiny percentage of what's going on, only that we're at "war against terror." Be glad that all you have to do at this point is hear about this on the radio, watch it on TV, and read it in the paper (oh wait, I forgot you don't read the newspaper ). Be glad that you aren't hopping out of a Blackhawk right now, or on the other side being bombed on your way to school by an errant missile. If anything, this should make you appreciate the carefree lifestyle (relatively speaking, of course) of college, TV, and video games (as you somewhat pointed out earlier on IM).
Besides, this is a "general" board, so I don't see a problem with discussing this here. Don't want to hear about it? Then don't open the topic, its that simple.
I'll try and be a bit brief, but I'll ramble on a bit (as usual). Basically, this "war" is certainly a more complicated matter than most wars in the past, and there are a variety of issues that need to be examined here besides "US GOOD, IRAQ BAD".


First off, there's no denying that Saddam Hussein is an evil person who should be toppled. Even most Arab nations agree that Saddam is one of many corrupt leaders in the Middle East, and probably the most dangerous in terms of the combination of hatred towards the West and stockpile of arms. Look at Jordan's position in the matter. They are in the unfortunate position of having Iraq on one side, and Israel on the other. So not only do they have to put up with the constant fighting on either side, they then have to worry about Iraq lobbing chemical weapons over their country on their way to Israel. Not a pretty picture, especially for a country that hasn't even taken a strong stance for either side. They are, in more ways than one, stuck in the middle.
Saddam most definately has plenty of the now-cliche "WOMD" in his arsenal (as does the US and other countries), and there's a very good chance you'll get to see them in action in the next couple of days. He has used them against his own men, as well against other nations such as Iran in the past. While I highly doubt he has any nuclear capabilities, and while I believe the Hussein/Bin Laden connection is a bit of a stretch, he is still a threat to nations in his range, as well as to his own people. He continues to defy the UN (which...I will get to later), and the simple fact that he still has these weapons after they are explicitly forbidden, as well as a likelyhood of using them, is more than enough reason to get him out of there.


Another problem which, many people may not realize, lies in the United States. Think about all of the people who are targets in this "war on terrorism." Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein are on the top of the list. How did someone like Bin Laden get so much training and resources? How did Saddam Hussein get his permanent position of power, along with all of those weapons and knowledge of how to continue to produce them? Why...from the US of course.
US foreign policy is one area that DEFINATELY needs to be examined after this "war" in Iraq hasended. The US has given BILLIONS of dollars in money and arms to both those men, as well as training from the CIA itself. Bin Laden was trained and funded to kill Soviets (our "enemy" at the time) in Afghanistan back in the 80's. He was TAUGHT how to be a "terrorist" by the very same country who is now considering him their #1 enemy. Saddam Hussein was given billions in weapons and aid to fight against Iran in 1982. The very same "WOMD" that the US is after, a stockpile of biological and chemical weapons (including Anthrax), was in fact given to him by the United States itself, for use against Iran and eventually, Iraq's own population. The US needs to do a LOT more to avoid such situations (many of which are pointed out in "Bowling for Columbine"), as tactics such as these keep blowing up in our faces. We sell our soul to the devil, and then act all pissy when things don't go as planned.
Another quick, and obvious part of the US foreign policy is its double standards. US support Israel is definately a big cause of this, not so much because of the fact that we do support them, but that the support is almost unconditional. Bush (and others) waste no time in complaining when the Palestinians blow up innocent people on busses in an act of defiance against Israel, but they seem to not even care if Israel launches a few missles into an appartment building. Its a very one-sided policy, supporting both Israel's actions, whether they're good or not. So while the US isn't exactly against Palestine, not doing anything about the sitation is almost as bad as Israel's actions. Its no wonder why many people believe that the US is at war with Islam, and I can't say I blame them for feeling that way after what they are forced to go through because of us.

The UN, which I won't get into at this point, is also proving itself to be a useless body that has little meaning any longer.
Ugh...its a mess, as all wars are, and one of the worst parts is the fact that Bush is the figure everyone is equating with "America." He is NOT representative of this country (hell, he didn't even with the election, but illegally took office), and frankly, I wish he would just sit down and shut up, and let his more trusted (not to mention more intelligent) staff (such as Powell) take the lead here. Blair's position may seem like he's Bush's lapdog, but I don't happen to see it that way. They're just two people who happen to have very similar ideas about a situation such as this, and who have agreed that something must be done. I won't bother getting further into the Bush/Blair bit, but maybe some other time.

I'm not one to support an unjust war, and while Bush's reasons may be wrong (even borderline illegal), his goal in this matter is certainly worth seeing through to the end.
If you are of the religious type, put in a prayer for the men and women, on both sides, who will have their blood spilled in Iraq in the next few days. Hopefully it will be for the greater good.
Okay...I'll just leave it at that. I'd like to add more later, but its about time for me to pass out. Feel free to chew me out for discussing politics Gest, and I apologize if you truly feel that way.

I have one opinion on this. Not whether it's right or wrong or wherever you want to stand on it. The one thing that just absolutely freaks me out about the whole war situation: the way people are watching on as if it almost wasn't real. People talk about it like it's some kind of tv drama (I'm not saying that as a criticism of people on this board, btw). We have no idea how people in Baghdad must be feeling.
/me gets off high horse ^_^;

Katy, that may be a side-effect of the influences media outlets such as CNN now have over our everyday lives.
The first Gulf War was almost a media spectacle overshadowing a war, to the point of broadcasting our TROOP MOVEMENTS for the whole world to see. The entire "smart missle down the chimney" thing was basically your money shot for that whole campaign, almost like a similar shot is for a movie (a la Pearl Harbor).
What're people in Baghdad feeling at this moment? More than likely, they're probably scared to death, with a tyrant like Saddam being challenged on his home turf and using that city as his own personal fortress, and with the US (and other countries) on its way in to fight him there. A lot of innocent people who don't evacuate (and remember, they may not be allowed to either, as human shields are a very effective weapon for defense) will likely die there if Baghdad has to be invaded.

me is wiv gestahr in da house, whun i go to a bbs dat was founded on gamin, i don't dig to read about da war. ell, i don't dig bangin about politics. i guess gestahr and i is in da minority in da house in not digin to read. just coz yous put in da thread not to read it if yous is not interested doesn't change a well fin. whun i come in da house me would dig it to be a refuge against bangin about war. it's dig Jackie Chan well christ. gestahr's right, there is plenty of udda sites yous can go to (cnn cnn cnn cnn cnn) to discuss war. me is seriously debatin whetha or not i dig to lock dis thread, or delete it straight up.

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