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oh well, ppl have different opinions.
I'm just saying this from a chinese perspective. Cause I had the same discussion with a bunch of friends like this before because, as I had sad, my gay best friend went through the same phase. Most of us agreed on the same conclusion~ - Instant Noodle is the way for a healthy balanced meal -

Well.. I should have stressed the "If they are loving parents" thing more... it really does depend, in some circumstances it would be much better to wait as you suggested Doraemi.
Maybe I should have touched on the loving parents thing too, since that is kind of vague. What I mean is, if their love for you has overcome other boundaries set by religion or belief. For instance, birth control, optional worship, difference in opinion, etc. If despite conflicts, they have supported you in the past... I think it best to be open with them when you are younger.
But yes, if they have not shown this kind of understanding through love for their children, then... perhaps it is better to wait until you have established a life seperate from them.
Ren

Thanks for the support guys.. heh~
Miso: Christianity is about acceptance as much as Brisbane is about Alpine skiing. Sorry buddy.
Angelique: definitely anonimity. I think you guys are actually LESS likely to judge than my friends who've known my for years face to face, and even if you judge me, it's not likely to effect my life that much. Also, I did tell my close friends and stuff before telling you guys! hehehe.. they did kinda come first!
Doraemi: I know that I'm gay. It ain't some 'phase' that I'm going through. It's not something I'm tryin on for size. This is me. Homosexuality is something out of our hands, it's decided by some other factor.. that's not an opinion, it's a fact. I didn't choose to like boys anymore than you chose to like boys.

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BuMz doesn't like "preference" because when one says "sexual preference" it implies that one has a choice as to whether they want to be gay or straight or etc. I prefer "orientation" as well.

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*claps* Good boy. You get an A+!
Ren: wise wise words. I think my parents are very into the whole "keeping the family together at all costs" idea.. but at the same time, they can be very adament about religious aspects. I don't have much say in whether I want to go to church or not. It's just expected.
Thanks for the well wishes.. ack! My stomach has flutterbies in it..
MRk MRK n FnK Mz

well i'll be damned... hahaha
it doesn't matter if you like boys or not your parents need to accept you for who you are!
goodluck!!!
back to the batcave!
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HAHAHHA! back from the dead
weebeez to seph! MRk MRK n FnK Mz

you betcha mate =]Ras~aka~Sephy

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Homosexuality is something out of our hands, it's decided by some other factor.. that's not an opinion, it's a fact. I didn't choose to like boys anymore than you chose to like boys.

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BuMz doesn't like "preference" because when one says "sexual preference" it implies that one has a choice as to whether they want to be gay or straight or etc. I prefer "orientation"

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I was going to touch on this before, but then changed my mind, and now have changed it back. IMHO...
I do believe that you can be born with a desire for same-sex partnership. I also believe it can develop over time.
In any case the choice is still there to accept or deny one's own homosexuality. Calling it orientation is not a definitive, orientation can change... however the use of the word does speak that your acceptance was not yours to make, and this is what I disagree with.
Call your and anyone's inate desires an orientation, but do not say it was without choice, or else you've thrown free will out the window. And what was it.. "To deny free will is to deny that we are human"?
This is why I use preference, instead of "sexual orientation", because I want it to always be apparent that it's my own choice, my own way.
Ren, sleepy and babbling.. I've read this over three times now... and I'm still not wording things correctly.

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Call your and anyone's inate desires an orientation, but do not say it was without choice, or else you've thrown free will out the window. And what was it.. "To deny free will is to deny that we are human"?

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Um...nobodys denying free will as a whole in its unadulterated, ambiguous definition. But it plays absolutely no part in, say, your race, which is entirely out of your control. Similarly, those who view sexuality as ingrained "orientation" don't bring free will into the mix, because in their mental model it is not a matter of choice at all, no more than any biological factor.---
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This is what the peoples call a "slippery slope."not allowed

There have been MANY MANY books written on the subject of same sex attraction being biologically affected. (gf's current psychology thesis)
I don't think people have a choice in sexuality, they are either born gay or not. Just like the persons next to you, born left handed or right, which is a factor passed on from parents. Now, the tricky part in all this is that a left handed person CAN learn to write with their right hand BUT the better option will and would always be writing with their left hand. Now back to homosexuality - I believe media and stereotypes have played along in the makeup of confusing our own sexual orientations/preference. After people watch on TV 'beautiful' women they begin to accept that what they see is 'beautiful'. Eras have gone by, when different style of women used to be beautiful and THAT can be controlled by us.
Now we will delve into my own theory here... We are biologically affected by the potential of doing exactly what we need to do, reproduce. In the very early eras, the style of women men preferred were always plump and 'rosy' (mind you, they were NOT obese) but this style of women were though of as being HEALTHY Overpopulation, there is just far too many of us on this world, and we simply will not survive at such a high growth rate on this planet. Which brings me back to the major point; we are designed to ensure the survival of the human race. When our 'mission' in life is no longer to reproduce, there is NO NEED to prefer women (coming from a male perspective). Or perhaps our sexual orientations are biologically changing so that we DO NOT reproduce any further to keep the population at a controllable situation.
Perhaps Bumz is just ahead of all of us in evolution. dundun duunn X-men.