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Miso Soup · Sep 15, 2003#312003-09-15T00:25

I contradicted myself a little at the start with women type preference. It can be controlled to a point, we can accept stereotypes from TV or decide to reject them, but we cannot control what the producers/casters, decide to put on tv. If they decided to put on teletubbies on 24/7 we might all just end up saying. Fuck women, I like the big fat yellow one/ or I like the big fat green one. That's an extreme example, but quite and amusing one.

Gestahr · Sep 15, 2003#322003-09-15T00:28

BuMz is a higher evolutionary! :Onot allowed

BuMz187 · Sep 15, 2003#332003-09-15T11:41

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In any case the choice is still there to accept or deny one's own homosexuality.

Agreed. But that doesn't change the fact that you had absolutely no choice about liking boys or girls. You can accept the way you are and that's about it. Good luck trying to change it..
I am of the breed who strongly believes that sexuality is something we have no control over. Perhaps that's just because of my situation, and from what I've discussed with many other gay men..
Ren, how is your sexuality your choice? I can't really see how you could consciously decide to switch from being a hetro to being a homo (or otherwise). The only thing you can choose is to accept what you are.
Miso: I like that theory man! hahahhaha! reproduction is no longer my main goal in life, so I'm free to have relations that do not contribute to the population! yay for me..

MRk MRK n FnK Mz

Ospiosis · Sep 15, 2003#342003-09-15T15:03

Again.. three hours sleep.. bear with me.
All in all Bumz, we basically agree. I'm just talking about something completely different, lol.
I don't deny that what a subconcious and body truly desire, is an orientation. But I feel homosexuality as a lifestyle and outward acknowledgement, in a personal or social examination, is a choice. You always have the ability to change this choice, redefine it, accept or deny it... and the result being a concience-made personal preference, of one thing over another.
It needs to be stressed more often that we choose the lifestyles we live, and that any choice we exercise is alright. To speak -- not scientifically, but socially -- that you had no choice in your homosexuality, to me is a cop out... it's like you need to focus on the cold scientifical fact, rather than your choice, in order to be excused by our highly critical society.
I would rather say "I personally choose to be gay", than "I am dictated to be gay by science" in the face of any person, pro or not, however both are technically correct. In doing that, others are prone to accept it not because we can't help it, but because it is our choice to be so.
Ren, here tpo tpo tpo

Gestahr · Sep 15, 2003#352003-09-15T16:08

I may just be quibbling over semantics here, but there's a huge difference between saying "I personally choose to be openly gay." and "I personally choose to be gay." Stating that it was my own choice isn't going to help people accept it, or me, it's going to help them say "Well then, why don't you personally choose to be straight?" Like those christians that say they switched back.
Just me, though.
EDIT: That's too fucking cute. :O

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Ospiosis · Sep 15, 2003#362003-09-15T18:09

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Stating that it was my own choice isn't going to help people accept it, or me, it's going to help them say "Well then, why don't you personally choose to be straight?"

Part of the above is entirely my point, it needs to get to a place where that question won't be asked. The only way I see that happening is to saturate society with the knowledge that being out is an acceptable choice.
I never want to be "tolerated" or "pitied" by anyone, because I was "born gay", and/or I "can't help it", because I tout it's "science" and not my "choice".
Edit: reading over posts, maybe as well subconciously I use "preference" because I infact want them to ask that question, so that if they dissapprove I can defy them in an effort to pro-enlighten. Hrmm.. okay, I swear now, no more from me on this :

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Ren

doraemi · Sep 16, 2003#372003-09-16T04:02

hey, all these gay talking led me to remember one thing
all cute guys are gay
cause i remember the guys that i thought were really really cute, it ended up that they were gay.... -______-
I'm attracted to gay ppl~
watch out bumz!- Instant Noodle is the way for a healthy balanced meal -

BuMz187 · Sep 16, 2003#382003-09-16T10:35

hahahha bring itMRk MRK n FnK Mz

Delilah Darkheart · Sep 16, 2003#392003-09-16T16:43

Yeah, gay guys are hot! And I think I have a theory about why...it's because males (whether gay or straight) are physically oriented when it comes to what they find attractive (whereas females are emotionally oriented). It's why women wear make-up and skin-tight, skimpy outfits. So if you're trying to get the attention of a guy, no matter whether you're a straight girl or a gay guy, you're going to try and make yourself look good. (whereas if a guy's trying to get a girl's attention...uhm...write me a poem or something.)

I know that sounded shallow, but it's true more often than not...

Drakkael · Sep 16, 2003#402003-09-16T19:08

Sometimes I marvel at the incomprehensible paradox that is the woman's brain.
Other times I cringe at their insane inability to make up their damn minds.
You know, maybe I should just give up trying to understand them at all and just go gay, but as soon as I do that girls are going to throw themselves into my lap. It's a no-win situation.---
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