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Q and A Transcript Tues Sept 23rd Caja Bucking Bul

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Jan 18 2009, 02:49 AM #1

You hear a lot of mixed reviews about Bodacious as a sire. What traits do you believe he passes onto his calves? Which of his sons would you breed with today, excluding Yogi for obvious reasons? Thank yo

Well a lot of breeders don't like Bo but I do. I think having him on the dams side adds Size, Strength, kick and that cross bred vigor. As far which son I would breed too? I would say it depends on what your cows are like. I think giving you a recommendation without knowing that would be wrong. Bo semen is available and I would go right to him if his blood is what you want. I used Yogi because I have a lot of Brahma influence in my herd and he is very tight made, strong and has big horns. Also the personality he throws is fun to have around. I would tell you that you do not want to breed him ( BO ) to anything big. He works best on smaller and hotter cattle. Taco Bells mother is Yogi on an Anthrax daughter (Mexican Fighting Bull) and I wish I had a herd of that cow.
What is it like living next door to a 11 year old wheeler and dealer Little Stew? Ronnie. Only you would come up with that question.

Well let me tell you it is tough but after we got the concrete wall built and the phones changed it has been a lot quieter. But Seriously. I think it's great that he likes these bulls as much as he does and he sure likes to visit with people and has a great memory for the bloodlines. He is a great example to other young breeders that want to get in the business.


I would like to know what got you riding bucking bulls. Second, after that what made you decide to start a breeding program. Third, What blood lines did you start with. And the last question in your own opinion from the time you started riding bulls and then raising them what is the biggest thing that you have seen to hurt the industry and what would you change about it.

My brother and I rode Bareback horses and loved watching the bull riding. He kept telling me I'd be good at it because like every good brother he wanted to see me get mangled. I got my gear and entered the bull riding without ever being on one and drew your typical high horned black brahmer. As I was getting my rope on the bull, my brother started to get nervous and told me that I should go to a bull riding school first. I told him it was a little bit late for that advice since I was already sitting on the back of one. It was funny to see my brother get so scared for me. The bull jumped out one and turned back and I lost my feet after one round and bucked off. After that I was hooked.

What made me get into breeding bulls? After being around them you see that they all have their personalities and that they do know what is expected of them and that they are great athletes. To not be around them after riding them was goin to be hard so breeding them was the next best thing.

Question 3. I think that while the PBR was good for cowboys making more money, they got away from what makes bull riding what it was. I think any of us that got on bulls back when there wasn't much money in it did it because we thought we could ride anything and it didn't matter how bad the bull was in the box or the arena after the ride. I think getting away from that mentality weekens the quality of riders and babying young guy's that whine and pick and choose bulls coming up doesn't help. They got to get tougher along with the bulls we are producing.


Do you think that the conception of the "bull teams" will in effect eliminate the small time breeders ability to get a bull on the PBR BFT tour?

I have talked about that with team owners and I think it is harder for small breeders because you have to have more than one or two good bulls or they are not going to let you come unless you send the bulls with one of the bigger contractors. Even the big contractors say they pretty much have to have a team. If you look at it their way( PBR) it is more practical. What I don't like is that if small breeders want to put together a team and money for that team is hard to come by, then the PBR makes it where a guy can't just go out and get any sponsor because they can't compete against the sponsors they have.
I guess it comes down to, do you want to be a breeder or a contractor? If you want to do both then you need to go bigger or have a bunch of money.

What do you feel is the repercussion of doing IVFS to the industry?
I think it hurts the industry as does all mass production. It makes those old hard to get sires loose alot of value and people that buy calves out of those IVF breedings need to think about what they are buying because by the time that calf is old enough to breed anything in their herd , there is already a bunch of them out there. I think anyone doing it is in it for the money and not the long term love of it. It makes it harder for the average breeder to buy semen from some great bulls because it is priced way up there because IVF can be done.

Summerrain411: first question
Summerrain411: You hear a lot of mixed reviews about Bodacious as a sire
Summerrain411: What traits do you believe he passes onto his calves? Which of his sons would you breed with today, excluding Yogi for obvious reasons?
CajaRanch: Well a lot of breeders don't like Bo but I do. I think having him on the dams side adds Size, Strength, kick and that cross bred vigor. As far which son I would breed too? I would say it depends on what your cows are like. I think giving you a recommendation without knowing that would be wrong. Bo s
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CajaRanch: semen is available and I would go right to him if his blood is what you want. I used Yogi because I have a lot of Brahma influence in my herd and he is very tight made, strong and has big horns. Also the personality he throws is fun to have around. I would tell you that you do not want to breed him
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CajaRanch: ( BO ) to anything big. He works best on smaller and hotter cattle. Taco Bells mother is Yogi on an Anthrax daughter (Mexican Fighting Bull) and I wish I had a herd of that cow.
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Summerrain411: Next Question
Summerrain411: What is it like living next door to a 11 year old wheeler and dealer Little Stew?
Summerrain411: van asked that
CajaRanch: Ronnie. Only you would come up with that question. Well let me tell you it is tough but after we got the concrete wall built and the phones changed it has been a lot quieter.
KEITH-NABOURS: LOL
CajaRanch: But Seriously. I think it's great that he likes these bulls as much as he does and he sure likes to visit with people and has a great memory for the bloodlines. He is a great example to other young breeders that want to get in the business.
Summerrain411: Ok the next quetion has sevaral parts, so give me a min to post all of it
jcrawford: norm dont know bout the tunnel he has built
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Summerrain411: would like to know what got you riding bucking bulls. Second, after that what made you decide to start a breeding program.
Summerrain411: Third, What blood lines did you start with. And the last question in your own opinion from the time you started riding bulls and then raising
Summerrain411: them what is the biggest thing that you have seen to hurt the industry and what would you change about it.
CajaRanch: My brother and I rode Bareback horses and loved watching the bull riding. He kept telling me I'd be good at it because like every good brother he wanted to see me get mangled. I got my gear and entered the bull riding without ever being on one and drew your typical high horned black brahmer. As I wa
CajaRanch: was getting on he decided I should go to a bull riding school
CajaRanch: He got more scared then I did. After that I was hooked
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Summerrain411: next
Summerrain411: What made me get into breeding bulls?
Summerrain411: should say you lol
CajaRanch: What made me get into breeding bulls? After being around them you see that they all have their personalities and that they do know what is expected of them and that they are great athletes. To not be around them after riding them was goin to be hard so breeding them was the next best thing.
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Summerrain411: in your own opinion from the time you started riding bulls and then raising them what is the biggest thing that you have seen to hurt the industry and what would you change about it.
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CajaRanch: I think that while the PBR was good for cowboys making more money, they got away from what makes bull riding what it was. I think any of us that got on bulls back when there wasn't much money in it did it because we thought we could ride anything and it didn't matter how bad the bull was in the box
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CajaRanch: or the arena after the ride. I think getting away from that mentality weekens the quality of riders and babying young guy's that whine and pick and choose bulls coming up doesn't help. They got to get tougher along with the bulls we are producing.
Summerrain411: next
Summerrain411: Do you think that the conception of the "bull teams" will in effect eliminate the small time breeders ability to get a bull on the PBR BFT tour?
CajaRanch: I have talked about that with team owners and I think it is harder for small breeders because you have to have more than one or two good bulls or they are not going to let you come unless you send the bulls with one of the bigger contractors. Even the big contractors say they pretty much have to hav
CajaRanch: Even the big contractors say they pretty much have to have a team. If you look at it their way( PBR) it is more practical. What I don't like is that if small breeders want to put together a team and money for that team is hard to come by, then the PBR makes it where a guy can't just go out and get a
CajaRanch: get any sponsor because they can't compete against the sponsors they have. I guess it comes down to, do you want to be a breeder or a contractor? If you want to do both then you need to go bigger or have a bunch of money.
Summerrain411: Next Question
Summerrain411: What do you feel is the repercussion of doing IVFS to the industry?
CajaRanch: I think it hurts the industry as does all mass production. It makes those old hard to get sires loose alot of value and people that buy calves out of those IVF breedings need to think about what they are buying because by the time that calf is old enough to breed anything in their herd , there is al
CajaRanch: already a bunch of them out there. I think anyone doing it is in it for the money and not the long term love of it. It makes it harder for the average breeder to buy semen from some great bulls because it is priced way up there because IVF can be done.
KEITH-NABOURS: amen
Summerrain411: thats all the pre questions, if anyone has questions now, go for it
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CajaRanch: O yeah, Suport our black troops
Summerrain411: lol that will be edited
BXBuckers: caja how does it feel to live in a town that has so many crooks in this bizz
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irish37 greets all.
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CajaRanch: Well I stay on the ranch with my animals because they are aways honest with me
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BXBuckers: thanks
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jcrawford: norm, i have had the chance to see alot of the raftger G stuff the past few months, in my opinion that is a market that is fairly untapped, how do u feel about that program? i know you have some of that blood in your heard, whats been the best part of their breeding program for yours
CALAMAITY_JANE: Norm how long did you ride bulls
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CajaRanch: Justin I love the Rockers but Speck has really produced for them
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CajaRanch: And I think the Anthrax mixed with those two really makes some nice bulls and you will be seeing a bunch soon
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jcrawford: If there was one bull from them right now you could breed with, which one would it be and why
CajaRanch: Robin I haven't quit yet LOL
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CALAMAITY_JANE: I wont a video of you on GB
CajaRanch: I want to breed to the Land Shark
CALAMAITY_JANE: To Prove It
jcrawford: he will be out this weeknd norm
CajaRanch: I'll be there with Taco Bell
jcrawford: what night
CajaRanch: I haven
CajaRanch: called Jim yet
jcrawford: ah, LS will be out sat, 2 tables
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CajaRanch: They need two tables with him
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jcrawford: yap, im hooked
CajaRanch: You will be LOL
Summerrain411: norm thank you for being our guest this week
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Joesmoe: Norm...do you think the PRCA is going to close shop, or are they going to get their act together?
CajaRanch: Your Welcome
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CajaRanch: I hate to say it but I don't think they will get their act together.
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Joesmoe: I agree with you there
CALAMAITY_JANE: Out of all the bulls beside Taco Bell do you think bucks the best?
CajaRanch: I wish they could but I don't think a profit can be made with Rodeo anymore and they really need money
jcrawford: if there was one bull, from now to years past you could use and breed with, what would it be
CajaRanch: I think there is lots of bulls better than Taco right now but I don't think we see the best bulls that are out there for one reason or another
Summerrain411: anymore questions
CajaRanch: Bunny , out of Canada
dmc: Mr Norm, Do you beleive that the mexican blood in bucking bulls is better at half bloods or graded done to a quarter?
CajaRanch: I was always told a Fifth and I think thats about right.
jcrawford: heck i like a 1/5 myself :D
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CajaRanch: Not Drink
Summerrain411: isnt coffeys origianl herd based on mexican crosses>
jcrawford: i think anymore than a half in bulls makes them to hot headed and hard to settle, i agree with norm
jcrawford: Coffey, Roy Carter has alot of mexican in his program, rafter g,
dmc: So my quarter blood calves would be the ones to breed from?
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CajaRanch: You see how mad Taco gets and Johnny Rotten is the same way
AKCT: do you think the price of bucking stock is going to continue to drop?
CajaRanch: Yes that should work fine
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CajaRanch: I don't think in is going to drop anymore. The good ones will always bring good money but it had gotten out of hand and it just seems real low in comparison
dmc: My quarter are that way! There dady was a half and sure nuf got mad
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Summerrain411: any other questions
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CajaRanch: Marcia are you missing Dancing with the Stars
CALAMAITY_JANE: Norm you are the best in my book for helping people.
Summerrain411: no .. had chemo today
CALAMAITY_JANE: LOL
CajaRanch: Thanks Robin and we will go now so Marcia can rest. I hope you feel better
Summerrain411: i always heard great things about Norm
Summerrain411: thanks Norm, I will be ok
griggs: guess i showed up to late?
CajaRanch: Ask if you want
Summerrain411: the transcript will be posted on the BSC message board
Summerrain411: go ahead and ask any quesions griggs
CALAMAITY_JANE: sr i will be in here till they get through if you need to go and email the tex to you tonight
Summerrain411: ok thanks robin
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CajaRanch: Good Night SR
CALAMAITY_JANE: no problem SR get some rest
Summerrain411: i hang around a few more mins
griggs: thanks guys i dont really have any questions just wanted to read what Mr Caja had to say: ll
Summerrain411: it will be posted on the message board
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griggs: ok good
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CALAMAITY_JANE: So norm any new babys
jcrawford: he said he build a concrete wall between him and lil stew, changed his #s
jcrawford: cause lil stew is a wheelin dealin fool and getting away with all the good stuff
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griggs: Caja do you have a web site?
CajaRanch: Robin I have two new baby Taco Bulls
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CALAMAITY_JANE: and when do i get pic?
CajaRanch: Yes and I need to update it very bad
LLLp: SUp
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griggs: what is it?
CALAMAITY_JANE: Very Badley LOL
CALAMAITY_JANE: O NO
CajaRanch: LOL
Summerrain411: yes thing that has been discussed before
CALAMAITY_JANE: would you like me to post it norm
Summerrain411: think
CajaRanch: ---
griggs: thats why i didnt want to ask question knew anythign i said would have alrady been dicussed
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CajaRanch: Thats OK
Summerrain411: oh that wasnt meant at you griggs
Summerrain411: i was talking about his website
CALAMAITY_JANE: http://home.earthlink.net/~cajaranch (Norms site)
CajaRanch: We need to make that site SR
Summerrain411: yes we do
CajaRanch: I beat you Robin
jcrawford: i was just fixin to suggest that norm
Summerrain411: better get going with it, I just signed up 2 new ones yesterdaay
CALAMAITY_JANE: and i can get you all the photos you need
CALAMAITY_JANE: not me norm
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JoeShaw: what are the biggest traits you look for in a sire to cross with the mex cows
CALAMAITY_JANE:
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CALAMAITY_JANE: You have good info on the old site
CajaRanch: Size and some brains
CALAMAITY_JANE: O no none of my bulls have brains LOL
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CajaRanch: I really don't like an idiot bull.
summers: ine of them over at your place does Robin
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CALAMAITY_JANE: nope not my place LOL
summers: mine does
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jcrawford: what i like bout breeding to mexican cows they are real easy calvers u can breed a lil ol mex cow to big bull and not have any troubles
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JoeShaw: thanks fer that was my next question
CALAMAITY_JANE: The bull that i have now from norm is a very smart bull. the smartest bull that we have. He likes me but not my hubby
CajaRanch: They have a lot of good traits and as you know can be some real thinkers.
CajaRanch: They throw good muscle
CajaRanch: and speed
CALAMAITY_JANE: I love the mulleys!
CALAMAITY_JANE: The one that i have from norm has been out i say 26 times and a rider can only make it 3si.
CALAMAITY_JANE: sec.
CajaRanch: Mulleys are cute and can hurt you just as bad. Remember that Robin
CALAMAITY_JANE: I know but as you see i am still here
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CajaRanch: They don't always know that they are hurting you. They can be playing like they would with each other but we can't take it
CALAMAITY_JANE: And where did you get this cute from? Bull are not cute
jcrawford: i dont like gettin hooked by mulies, lol most bullfighters like to pick on them, not me, id rather have one to be able to throw me a lil ways
CajaRanch: and hang on a horn for distance
JoeShaw: as you know its real tough here in ontario to find a rodeo bred cow but theirs a few guys that have been breeding fighting bulls so iv been buying their bigger cows i just wasent sure if i was waisting my time with them here or not
jcrawford: Joe i don think your wasting your time, just try to breed as much of the mex out of them, in my opinion
jcrawford: i wish i could have a whole pasture of Rex Dunn and Dennis Borba half blood cows, although dennis cows are full bloods
CajaRanch: Cross them with an english breed then put a bucking bull on those
CALAMAITY_JANE: Norm what are your plans to breed to in the next cuple of years?
CajaRanch: Thats a good question. I am going to use some mexican and M17 for heat
CALAMAITY_JANE: or is that to early to tell?
CajaRanch: Taco will get a bunch and My LYJ some
CALAMAITY_JANE: Now i have talk to you a lot over the phone but i have never ask you what breeding is M17 is he mexican bull
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CajaRanch: No but he is as hot as one
CajaRanch: Throws it anyway
CALAMAITY_JANE: could you tell us what blood lines you are running now cowa and bulls. And who it the pick of the litter out of your 2yr and 3yr bulls?
jcrawford: i think m17 will cross good on your cows norm
griggs: We just bred two wilfong darkness cows to m17. One is out of the same cow as thomas taylors pudd. pudd is out of m 17 we are REAL excited about that
CALAMAITY_JANE: sound like you got a some good ones
CajaRanch: I have 3 Rockers carrying M17 babies already
CajaRanch: That darkness trows some good ones
CajaRanch: Should be good
CALAMAITY_JANE: That is my next gold to get some rocker blood in to my heard. that is if norm will let me.LOL
griggs: I want to breed more to him. I love those two cows. Wish i had a pasture full of them
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CajaRanch: Call Jim he might sell you some LOL
CALAMAITY_JANE: I think the poler hef that i have would go good with rocker blood
CajaRanch: My friend has a Darkness son from Bob and he makes some nice babies
JoeShaw: most of these orig came from Dennis and they were running with a red mex bull that came from him in the spring when they calve out iv got a big ole bramer cross we think hes out of Sonny williams demolition man great bone structer easy as hell to work with and buck like a champ day in day out
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CajaRanch: That sound like a good cross but to much Brahma can have a temper too
CALAMAITY_JANE: Out of all the years that you have spend with your cattle what is the best way to tip a bull or cow?
CALAMAITY_JANE: And what is the best time of the year?
CajaRanch: Depends on the size
CajaRanch: I like the wire for most of them
CALAMAITY_JANE: ok say a 3yr old bull
CALAMAITY_JANE: There will be a lot of new fokes to reed this what tipe of wire and where could someone get it?
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CajaRanch: If you have a good squeeze chute use a sawsall
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CajaRanch: I get mine from my vets office but supply places should have it
CALAMAITY_JANE: What are the best type of shots have found to give to your young ones. Is there a serent type of brand that you like to use?
jcrawford: norm hopefully you will be out sat night, its supposed to be a good time cause of the old timers deal
CALAMAITY_JANE: My brain just turn on and now i have many of questions so stop me when you need to go.
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