Why Evangelicals Hate Jesus.

Why Evangelicals Hate Jesus.

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January 25th, 2012, 6:32 am #1

Quite a thought provoking article -- one that, I'm sure, will go over like a lead balloon here. =)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuck ... ce=message

The results from a recent poll published by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-El ... igion.aspx) reveal what social scientists have known for a long time: White Evangelical Christians are the group least likely to support politicians or policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus. It is perhaps one of the strangest, most dumb-founding ironies in contemporary American culture. Evangelical Christians, who most fiercely proclaim to have a personal relationship with Christ, who most confidently declare their belief that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, who go to church on a regular basis, pray daily, listen to Christian music, and place God and His Only Begotten Son at the center of their lives, are simultaneously the very people most likely to reject his teachings and despise his radical message.
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January 25th, 2012, 8:45 am #2

Not entirely true either.

As this person is attempting to lump everyone that believes into this little box. And that cannot be done when your talking about people that are individuals Kate.

As for the socialistic type of government where the government decides who is and is not cared for. Yelling hate, when the evangelical is not for it, is because the evangelical knows that this perfect utopia they offer will not happen via any man at all. Because men ae inately prideful sinners. So they know that until Christ returns, to take over, nothing these men are promising is going to happen either. Because they also are selfish as well. Meaning what is given to the poor doesn't come from Obamas stash as one of the recipients seemed to say and think. Just mentioning that from an old itube tape I did hear about what she was about to receive.

But it is also true, at the same time, that still to this day, it does seem that Americans still give to others abundantly. Often it is evangelicals doing so too.

Meaning as long as you have the world to contend with, big government promising pie in the sky never has worked, Nor will it now either. Not in the way some might desire to think it will.

As for desiring guns for our own protection, not sure that is wrong either. After all Peter seemed to have a sword with him to cut off the ear of those that were coming for Jesus then. So if it was wrong always to have something for protection of your family and friends, then I don't think he would have had it with him in the first place. So could the idea that we should not be able to protect our family right after all either?

meaning we do live in and evil world, and will do be doing so until the Lord does return finally, changing it in the end.

But at the same time, I don't see any real believer desiring to use a gun on anyone to kill them either.

But my main point is, it is not fair to lump everyone considered a believer or an evangelical all together as if everyone agrees with what this guy is saying at all.

But of course, in order to prove evangelicals being evil, you really do have to do that to begin with.

Just as you have to decide that because some evangelicals do not care for sin, saying so, that this one also is doing what they are doing always because of their hating the individual doing the sin. When no that is not true either. They hate the sin only, which God also does as well.

Just some of my thoughts on that first article you did post there, for what it is worth.





If you do not begin right in the Lord, neither will you be able to continue on ending right either.
Some use scripture whenever it serves to prove what they have chosen to believe. But then reject or ignore others whenever it doesn't, but instead is contradictory to what they have chosen to believe. Instead of finding out why some do contradict others dealing with the same subjects.
Love in Christ,
Sandy

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January 25th, 2012, 10:25 am #3

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The point of WHY many evangelicals hate the One known as Jesus is that they have
adopted the love of money!! And when a person does that, he or she will wind up
hating anyone and anything that may stand in the way of their acquiring
and keeping that which they love. As the One known as Jesus explained ....


"No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love
the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot
serve both God and money." Matthew 6:24 {New Living Translation (©2007)}



And yes Sandy, I realize that the same holds true for ANYONE. not just
evangelicals. I am merely explaining what I personally believe that article
should have stated, as well as illustrating how far gone the Christians
are now in many of the western nations. Thanks to their love of money!!

Don't believe me??? Go to one of their houses and see how they are trying
so hard to bring Heaven to earth with their expensive models, extravagant
flower gardens, high fences, huge decks, swimming pools, and so forth.

Try, JUST YOU TRY to touch one of their boats, golf clubs, bowling balls,
tennis racquets, motorcycles, tool sets, jumbo flat screen TVs, i-phones,
i-pads, fur coats, hunting rifles, thousand-dollar video games, home gyms,
custom motor vehicles in the garage, newest models of Kirby or Rainbow vacs, and so on!

See how far you get, and watch the horns grow on their heads and the growls sound
from their snarling, teeth-baring mouths. THEN you'll see. Although I am sure
you already know what I mean, as you are older than I, and have probably seen it a lot.

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This is the Day whereon the rushing waters of everlasting life
have gushed out of the Will of the All-Merciful. Haste ye,
with your hearts and souls, and quaff your fill, O Concourse of the realms above!


Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah
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January 25th, 2012, 11:39 am #4

Quite a thought provoking article -- one that, I'm sure, will go over like a lead balloon here. =)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuck ... ce=message

The results from a recent poll published by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-El ... igion.aspx) reveal what social scientists have known for a long time: White Evangelical Christians are the group least likely to support politicians or policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus. It is perhaps one of the strangest, most dumb-founding ironies in contemporary American culture. Evangelical Christians, who most fiercely proclaim to have a personal relationship with Christ, who most confidently declare their belief that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, who go to church on a regular basis, pray daily, listen to Christian music, and place God and His Only Begotten Son at the center of their lives, are simultaneously the very people most likely to reject his teachings and despise his radical message.
This so called university professor of sociology should be taken with a grain of salt because all he knows is probably what he learned is from study in a comparative religion class. IOW he is giving INTELLECTUAL observation without having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. We already had one like that on this forum who has passed from this life and gone to his next world seemingly unchanged.

The term Evangelical Christian PROPERLY is a believer who holds to the inspiration, inerrancy, and authority of Scripture, the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and salvation by grace through faith alone.

Sadly, FALSE CHRISTIANS and FALSE TEACHERS have crept into the church and have attempted to hyjack the term and place it on their own SELF MADE beliefs. For some, the term "evangelical Christian" is equivalent to right-wing, fundamentalist Republican. For others, "evangelical Christian" is a title used to differentiate an individual from a Catholic Christian or an Orthodox Christian. Others use the term to indicate adherence to the fundamental doctrines of Christianity.

This is why anyone shoud discern what is a TRUE CHRISTIAN from from one who claims to be a Christian but their fruit shows they are not Christian at all. If one is to be a Christian in the TRUE SENSE they should be EVANGELICAL Christians.


Matt 28:18-20

18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. NKJV

TRUE Christians put their faith in the AUTHORITY of God and go out to put their faith in action observing "ALL" THINGS WHICH HE HAS COMMANDED THROUGHOUT "ALL" SCRIPTURE not just the gospels or the Scriptures we like, while IGNORING the ones we don't like.

Acts 1:8
8 But you shall receive POWER when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth." NKJV

TRUE Christians go out NOT in their own power but by the power of the Holy Spirit.

1 Peter 3:15

15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; NKJV

A TRUE Christian will NOT COWER or wilfully ignore a good question asked of them. If they don't have an answer they will STILL ANSWER the question by answering ...."I don't know" or by giving an opinion followed by the statement, "IT MAY NOT BE FACT" or stating it is ONLY an opinion. A TRUE Christian will NOT consistently and wilfully IGNORE the question. A true Christian will NOT posit a Jesus that is only NICE ALL THE TIME because that is a FALSE CHRIST. He wasn't nice all the time.

So TRUE Evangelicals don't hate Jesus. They in FACT LOVE HIM with a DEEP CONSUMING LOVE.





















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January 25th, 2012, 3:20 pm #5

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The point of WHY many evangelicals hate the One known as Jesus is that they have
adopted the love of money!! And when a person does that, he or she will wind up
hating anyone and anything that may stand in the way of their acquiring
and keeping that which they love. As the One known as Jesus explained ....


"No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love
the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot
serve both God and money." Matthew 6:24 {New Living Translation (©2007)}



And yes Sandy, I realize that the same holds true for ANYONE. not just
evangelicals. I am merely explaining what I personally believe that article
should have stated, as well as illustrating how far gone the Christians
are now in many of the western nations. Thanks to their love of money!!

Don't believe me??? Go to one of their houses and see how they are trying
so hard to bring Heaven to earth with their expensive models, extravagant
flower gardens, high fences, huge decks, swimming pools, and so forth.

Try, JUST YOU TRY to touch one of their boats, golf clubs, bowling balls,
tennis racquets, motorcycles, tool sets, jumbo flat screen TVs, i-phones,
i-pads, fur coats, hunting rifles, thousand-dollar video games, home gyms,
custom motor vehicles in the garage, newest models of Kirby or Rainbow vacs, and so on!

See how far you get, and watch the horns grow on their heads and the growls sound
from their snarling, teeth-baring mouths. THEN you'll see. Although I am sure
you already know what I mean, as you are older than I, and have probably seen it a lot.

`



This is the Day whereon the rushing waters of everlasting life
have gushed out of the Will of the All-Merciful. Haste ye,
with your hearts and souls, and quaff your fill, O Concourse of the realms above!


Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah
But not all evangelicals walk in that love for money either.

Just those that listen and heed to most of the preachers on TV today.

Honestly, I have to say even Jack does not do so.

Nor has my husband and I either.

We gave our thriving business away to another to run, lock stock and barrel some 35 years ago.

My husband, while pastoring, and taking donations, also worked for our needs at the same time. Giving all that was donated to the church to others in need. Not because we had to either, John but because God told us not to live off of the body at all. And we never did. We gave to people during that time that attended large churches that had needs, not being able to get them from those churches that did meet in their big new buildings because they couldn't do what the Bible says, and take care of their own, not having any finances for such things as that.

One thing we did get though, over our lifetime John, is an education as to what your talking about there, for sure. My husband accidentally walked into the office of a church we were invited to minister at, the guy not expecting him to walk in like that, and when Al did, he began to shovel all the moneys he had received by having the revival during that time, into a drawer, so that he couldn't see it. It was funny. Al politely told him he would be leaving, which we did do. Walked out and never went back.

You see a lot of things out there going on when you do travel. But not everybody is like that either. Which is why I hate lumping everyone into this box. As it is a lie to do so. Not just about this, but about what we think everybody that does attend a church believes too. As they do not know, but just think they do that writes about them.

But your right. And I heard that this thinking that some of the big ministries has put out out in many other countries they go to, is also taking place with some in these countries like Africa and other nations too, they go to. Sad but true.

But all? No.

It has to do with what one does love.

Plus what one does love, will also trickle down to how they live their own lives too. Meaning what does another pray for first of all. For rigteousness? Or for their bodily needs. Which really, if we are right with the Lord to begin with, he will always supply those things anyway. Maybe not the way we think they should be supplied either. But they will be supplied in some way or another.

Meaning just because some do things that are not right, doesn't mean that everybody does at all.

But true, many do. But it is also those that never do find what Jesus was talking about written in Mt. 7:14 also. Because they are to busy going after the wrong things, instead of the right ones.

I think that is why God doesn't judge groups, but judges us as individuals.







If you do not begin right in the Lord, neither will you be able to continue on ending right either.
Some use scripture whenever it serves to prove what they have chosen to believe. But then reject or ignore others whenever it doesn't, but instead is contradictory to what they have chosen to believe. Instead of finding out why some do contradict others dealing with the same subjects.
Love in Christ,
Sandy

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January 25th, 2012, 3:31 pm #6

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i say RESPECTFULLY in caps because i don't want Gerard

accusing

me of kissing up to you. Contrary to his personal opinion, i DO NOT have to
give lip service to anyone in here, nor do I intentionally do so. If I give you
or anyone else a compliment, it is well-deserved, IMV.

Bottom line.

`



This is the Day whereon the rushing waters of everlasting life
have gushed out of the Will of the All-Merciful. Haste ye,
with your hearts and souls, and quaff your fill, O Concourse of the realms above!


Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah
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January 25th, 2012, 5:57 pm #7

Not entirely true either.

As this person is attempting to lump everyone that believes into this little box. And that cannot be done when your talking about people that are individuals Kate.

As for the socialistic type of government where the government decides who is and is not cared for. Yelling hate, when the evangelical is not for it, is because the evangelical knows that this perfect utopia they offer will not happen via any man at all. Because men ae inately prideful sinners. So they know that until Christ returns, to take over, nothing these men are promising is going to happen either. Because they also are selfish as well. Meaning what is given to the poor doesn't come from Obamas stash as one of the recipients seemed to say and think. Just mentioning that from an old itube tape I did hear about what she was about to receive.

But it is also true, at the same time, that still to this day, it does seem that Americans still give to others abundantly. Often it is evangelicals doing so too.

Meaning as long as you have the world to contend with, big government promising pie in the sky never has worked, Nor will it now either. Not in the way some might desire to think it will.

As for desiring guns for our own protection, not sure that is wrong either. After all Peter seemed to have a sword with him to cut off the ear of those that were coming for Jesus then. So if it was wrong always to have something for protection of your family and friends, then I don't think he would have had it with him in the first place. So could the idea that we should not be able to protect our family right after all either?

meaning we do live in and evil world, and will do be doing so until the Lord does return finally, changing it in the end.

But at the same time, I don't see any real believer desiring to use a gun on anyone to kill them either.

But my main point is, it is not fair to lump everyone considered a believer or an evangelical all together as if everyone agrees with what this guy is saying at all.

But of course, in order to prove evangelicals being evil, you really do have to do that to begin with.

Just as you have to decide that because some evangelicals do not care for sin, saying so, that this one also is doing what they are doing always because of their hating the individual doing the sin. When no that is not true either. They hate the sin only, which God also does as well.

Just some of my thoughts on that first article you did post there, for what it is worth.





If you do not begin right in the Lord, neither will you be able to continue on ending right either.
Some use scripture whenever it serves to prove what they have chosen to believe. But then reject or ignore others whenever it doesn't, but instead is contradictory to what they have chosen to believe. Instead of finding out why some do contradict others dealing with the same subjects.
Love in Christ,
Sandy
I had a feeling you would respond =)

The article has a provocative title, to get people to notice and to make them think. No, not all evangelicals think that way. Yes, it is a generalization - because we are talking about statistics.

In the poll cited, people that identified themselves as Evangelical Christians were most supportive of:
the death penalty
Punishment vs rehab
Government use of torture
Little or no regulation of handgun and semiautomatic gun ownership
Military invasions of other countries
Corporations and capitalism

Not speaking as an American, or whether or not people have a right to believe in or support these things, ask yourself if you, personally, support these things. Then ask yourself, "Would Jesus support these things?" Not "well he said there would be wars and rumors of wars," but ask yourself if Jesus approves of war and bloodshed. Yes, Peter had a sword - and how did Jesus react when Peter used it?

And according to this poll, folks that identified themselves as Evangelical Christians were the most likely to be opposed to institutional help for the poor, especially programs designed to help poor children. They oppose:
Food stamps,
subsidies to schools and hospitals,
medical care,
job training programs...

Again, ask yourself if you oppose these things - and then ask if Jesus would oppose them. Not if people deserve help, but what does Jesus really think?

The churches should take care of the poor, and lots of church going folks do give money to church and to charities. But they can't do it all. Our church has a food closet, does a lot for homeless programs, counseling services, missions (focused on Haiti right now), and many other good things. But some of our money goes for paying the pastor a salary, paying salary for maintenance of the buildings, utilities, and all of those mundane things. We can't provide school lunches for thousands of poor children, or their medical care, or help pay for child care so a single low-income mom can afford to work her low pay job or try to get job training.

Sandy, you've mentioned that you and your husband are older, retired folks. Do you get Social Security? Do you get Medicare? These are the kind of government assistance we are talking about. Those programs are funded by our tax dollars, and they are designed and intended to help a vulnerable group in our society to pay their living expenses and obtain necessary medical care. Are the elderly more deserving or more in need of our help than poor children?



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January 25th, 2012, 6:36 pm #8

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The point of WHY many evangelicals hate the One known as Jesus is that they have
adopted the love of money!! And when a person does that, he or she will wind up
hating anyone and anything that may stand in the way of their acquiring
and keeping that which they love. As the One known as Jesus explained ....


"No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love
the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot
serve both God and money." Matthew 6:24 {New Living Translation (©2007)}



And yes Sandy, I realize that the same holds true for ANYONE. not just
evangelicals. I am merely explaining what I personally believe that article
should have stated, as well as illustrating how far gone the Christians
are now in many of the western nations. Thanks to their love of money!!

Don't believe me??? Go to one of their houses and see how they are trying
so hard to bring Heaven to earth with their expensive models, extravagant
flower gardens, high fences, huge decks, swimming pools, and so forth.

Try, JUST YOU TRY to touch one of their boats, golf clubs, bowling balls,
tennis racquets, motorcycles, tool sets, jumbo flat screen TVs, i-phones,
i-pads, fur coats, hunting rifles, thousand-dollar video games, home gyms,
custom motor vehicles in the garage, newest models of Kirby or Rainbow vacs, and so on!

See how far you get, and watch the horns grow on their heads and the growls sound
from their snarling, teeth-baring mouths. THEN you'll see. Although I am sure
you already know what I mean, as you are older than I, and have probably seen it a lot.

`



This is the Day whereon the rushing waters of everlasting life
have gushed out of the Will of the All-Merciful. Haste ye,
with your hearts and souls, and quaff your fill, O Concourse of the realms above!


Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah
...then it would be a different article, wouldn't it?

1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

The love of money is likely the root of the views of at least some of those who responded to the poll, although for others, their movtivation may be personal liberty and freedom, and for others, just a complete lack of Christ-like compassion. For some, the motivation may be "I don't want my tax dollars paying for lunches for poor kids, or medical care for them.". Well I don' t like paying Social Security taxes, knowing that when I am old enough to collect it, it may not even exist anymore. But I know that my mother's generation relies on that income, and I had three disabled relatives who needed it too (they are all deceased now). And I know the Feds have gutted the program and misused funds so our tax dollars are desperately needed just to keep the program solvent for those who need it today, so I know we all need to help
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January 25th, 2012, 8:05 pm #9

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i say RESPECTFULLY in caps because i don't want Gerard

accusing

me of kissing up to you. Contrary to his personal opinion, i DO NOT have to
give lip service to anyone in here, nor do I intentionally do so. If I give you
or anyone else a compliment, it is well-deserved, IMV.

Bottom line.

`



This is the Day whereon the rushing waters of everlasting life
have gushed out of the Will of the All-Merciful. Haste ye,
with your hearts and souls, and quaff your fill, O Concourse of the realms above!


Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah
that is fine, but I didn't share that to get a tip of the hat from anyone at all. I shared it to prove that one should not put everyone in a box at all.

concerning your tipping your hat to those that do mistreat others over here, I simply cannot agree with you doing so at all. Not because I am the brunt often of that mistreatment. But because others like Gerard as well as many others are. And it just does not set well with me for anyone to do so the way that is often done at all.

Nor do I appreciate your pics at an attempt to put another down either.

And now am wondering just how many of them you have posted here yourself so far. Or how often you have posted here at time, using anothers name such as Gerard and others of us as well.

Because if you will do what you just did here, what else would you lower yourself to do also that does not agree with you?

I do have to wonder???????

If you do not begin right in the Lord, neither will you be able to continue on ending right either.
Some use scripture whenever it serves to prove what they have chosen to believe. But then reject or ignore others whenever it doesn't, but instead is contradictory to what they have chosen to believe. Instead of finding out why some do contradict others dealing with the same subjects.
Love in Christ,
Sandy

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