Sometimes it seems that the "SUPER POWERS" of this planet want another world war!

Sometimes it seems that the "SUPER POWERS" of this planet want another world war!

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June 27th, 2012, 6:41 am #1

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HEADLINE AND LINK: Russia says Syria downing of Turkey jet not 'provocation' (for conflict)!

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-syria ... 19284.html


HEADLINE AND LINK: US will help Turkey hold Syria ‘accountable’ for jet shoot-down, says Obama spokesman

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/us-h ... 28025.html


HEADLINE AND LINK: Turkey says Syria opened fire on 2nd plane!

http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-says-syria ... 13829.html

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God grant that the light of unity
may envelop the whole earth, and that
the seal, “the Kingdom is God’s", may be
stamped upon the brow of all its peoples.


Baha'u'llah -- Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah
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Arthur Dent
Arthur Dent

June 27th, 2012, 7:21 am #2

I hear allsorts of crap about complicated conspiracies, but its more simple to understand than that.

People in power have their own agendas, and if that includes sending people in to destroy a country trhat has something you want, find a pretext, destabilise the government, get others into destroy the old regime, be there to help set up the new.

Iraq was a classic example, no one cared how bad Saddam was until the pretext came to take his stuff off him.

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June 27th, 2012, 7:55 am #3

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HEADLINE AND LINK: Russia says Syria downing of Turkey jet not 'provocation' (for conflict)!

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-syria ... 19284.html


HEADLINE AND LINK: US will help Turkey hold Syria ‘accountable’ for jet shoot-down, says Obama spokesman

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/us-h ... 28025.html


HEADLINE AND LINK: Turkey says Syria opened fire on 2nd plane!

http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-says-syria ... 13829.html

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God grant that the light of unity
may envelop the whole earth, and that
the seal, “the Kingdom is God’s", may be
stamped upon the brow of all its peoples.


Baha'u'llah -- Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah
Society basicallly consists of three classes of people; the upper class (the elite): who have most of the money; the middle class: who work to keep the money flow going; the lower class: who work to keep the middle class working to further the enrichment of -surprise, surprise- the upper class (the elite). A self-serving feedback loop. Guess who came up with that one?

It is well known -or should be (by now)- that a third party usually gains from the conflict of two others. If we enlarge this way of thinking from persons to countries, to continents, to the whole planet even, then we still find it valid.

Banking systems loaning monies to a warring nation have a vested interest in seeing that war drag on. A banking system loaning monies to all warring parties has an even greater interest. Those warring parties have to loan again to restructure their countries after the war. Warfare thus, is its own valuable commodity- furnishing another, more important, commodity: debt.

Warfare and unrest convince people to accept the setting up of rules and regulations including institutions to implement and enforce them - and even welcome them - that under warless circumstances they never would have accepted. Those devices are set up to prevent further warfare it is said. Warfare then, is an effective tool to establish, maintain and expand social and political control over a large population - in one foul swoop.

Wars are started because parties want, without any form of reasonable exchange, what others parties have; be it resources, assets or both. Control over resources and assets equals power over i.e. dominion over other parties; dominion over all. Warfare therefore, is an excuse to take  what is not yours - to take.

Wars are 'fought' over resources and assets and a nation that wishes to initiate a war of conquest must create the illusion of an attack; a threat, to start that war because no citizen of a modern, industrialized nation will send their children off to die in a war to grab another nation's resources and assets.

Wars do not begin, do not drag on, because of truth' being told. On the contrary. Wars are started, and perpetuated, by deception. No wonder then that the beneficiary of warfare turns out to be the initiator, meant to establish (more centralized) control which equals power (over).

Once we realize it is possible to cite many wars started by and because of deception and that it turns out impossible to cite a war started by and because of truth, we might realize we already know everything we need to know concerning war, warfare and its directives.


Since war(fare) is a racket, the elite do not care which jockey wins the race. They pay the jockeys. They own the horses. They thus control the race. They therefore win, one way or the other.

It doesn't have to be that way though.

Think about it, when war(fare) is meant to establish, extend, maintain peace - shouldn't we have had it by now?


rejected and denied by many, accepted and embraced by few : falsifiability
- it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -

New!! Improved!! Now With CDEH-Formula!!


CD: short for inevitability
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June 27th, 2012, 8:00 am #4

I hear allsorts of crap about complicated conspiracies, but its more simple to understand than that.

People in power have their own agendas, and if that includes sending people in to destroy a country trhat has something you want, find a pretext, destabilise the government, get others into destroy the old regime, be there to help set up the new.

Iraq was a classic example, no one cared how bad Saddam was until the pretext came to take his stuff off him.
 

All you need to do is take over a nation's resources and/or assets through military and/or political and/or economic and/or cultural means.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/663008/m ... 340783728/


rejected and denied by many, accepted and embraced by few : falsifiability
- it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -

New!! Improved!! Now With CDEH-Formula!!


CD: short for inevitability
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Exposing jvh
Exposing jvh

June 27th, 2012, 9:52 am #5

Society basicallly consists of three classes of people; the upper class (the elite): who have most of the money; the middle class: who work to keep the money flow going; the lower class: who work to keep the middle class working to further the enrichment of -surprise, surprise- the upper class (the elite). A self-serving feedback loop. Guess who came up with that one?

It is well known -or should be (by now)- that a third party usually gains from the conflict of two others. If we enlarge this way of thinking from persons to countries, to continents, to the whole planet even, then we still find it valid.

Banking systems loaning monies to a warring nation have a vested interest in seeing that war drag on. A banking system loaning monies to all warring parties has an even greater interest. Those warring parties have to loan again to restructure their countries after the war. Warfare thus, is its own valuable commodity- furnishing another, more important, commodity: debt.

Warfare and unrest convince people to accept the setting up of rules and regulations including institutions to implement and enforce them - and even welcome them - that under warless circumstances they never would have accepted. Those devices are set up to prevent further warfare it is said. Warfare then, is an effective tool to establish, maintain and expand social and political control over a large population - in one foul swoop.

Wars are started because parties want, without any form of reasonable exchange, what others parties have; be it resources, assets or both. Control over resources and assets equals power over i.e. dominion over other parties; dominion over all. Warfare therefore, is an excuse to take  what is not yours - to take.

Wars are 'fought' over resources and assets and a nation that wishes to initiate a war of conquest must create the illusion of an attack; a threat, to start that war because no citizen of a modern, industrialized nation will send their children off to die in a war to grab another nation's resources and assets.

Wars do not begin, do not drag on, because of truth' being told. On the contrary. Wars are started, and perpetuated, by deception. No wonder then that the beneficiary of warfare turns out to be the initiator, meant to establish (more centralized) control which equals power (over).

Once we realize it is possible to cite many wars started by and because of deception and that it turns out impossible to cite a war started by and because of truth, we might realize we already know everything we need to know concerning war, warfare and its directives.


Since war(fare) is a racket, the elite do not care which jockey wins the race. They pay the jockeys. They own the horses. They thus control the race. They therefore win, one way or the other.

It doesn't have to be that way though.

Think about it, when war(fare) is meant to establish, extend, maintain peace - shouldn't we have had it by now?


rejected and denied by many, accepted and embraced by few : falsifiability
- it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -

New!! Improved!! Now With CDEH-Formula!!


CD: short for inevitability
Why is there something, rather than nothing?
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Arthur Dent
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June 27th, 2012, 11:17 am #6

probably a few weeks ago before you came here.

(Does the study of "origins" interest you?)

Look up Lawrence Krause (as I told you before as Nucc)

I hope it helps your understanding this guy is a distinguished Professor from Arizona, (so you'll probably ignore him just for that reason.)

I know you wont like the answer, but at least you'll have heard one if you listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo


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June 27th, 2012, 11:35 am #7

...Questions from religious people are easy to handle Loco. If that's so then how come you make your buddy a stupid liar? Do you have ANY EVIDENCE TO SHOW ATHEISM IS TRUE? It must be easy to answer.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says,~~~~Jesus Christ"
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Exposing jvh and dent
Exposing jvh and dent

June 27th, 2012, 11:42 am #8

probably a few weeks ago before you came here.

(Does the study of "origins" interest you?)

Look up Lawrence Krause (as I told you before as Nucc)

I hope it helps your understanding this guy is a distinguished Professor from Arizona, (so you'll probably ignore him just for that reason.)

I know you wont like the answer, but at least you'll have heard one if you listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo


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Krause does not give a viable answer. He gives unsupported opinion he "hopes" proves something came from nothing which everyone knows to be a scientific impossibility. He hopes that his statement is confusing enough to be accepted as fact without question. In reality, his "professorship" makes him stupid, rather than smarter. "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."

You're going to have to do better than that, dent.
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Joined: April 28th, 2010, 1:30 pm

June 27th, 2012, 11:49 am #9

..You gotta know it's stupid comin' from the coward Dorky.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says,~~~~Jesus Christ"
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Super
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June 27th, 2012, 11:59 am #10

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HEADLINE AND LINK: Russia says Syria downing of Turkey jet not 'provocation' (for conflict)!

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-syria ... 19284.html


HEADLINE AND LINK: US will help Turkey hold Syria ‘accountable’ for jet shoot-down, says Obama spokesman

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/us-h ... 28025.html


HEADLINE AND LINK: Turkey says Syria opened fire on 2nd plane!

http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-says-syria ... 13829.html

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God grant that the light of unity
may envelop the whole earth, and that
the seal, “the Kingdom is God’s", may be
stamped upon the brow of all its peoples.


Baha'u'llah -- Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah
In my opinion, it is only a matter of time. We've come close a ton of times, and that is just in the last 60 years. Just think about Hitler for example. If WWII had lasted long enough for Hitler's scientists to vevelop Nuclear weapons, do you think that when the US went into Germany that Hitler would not have used them? Sure he would have. If he was going down, so would everyone else, and it is only a matter of time till we get another leader like that.


Humankind has been around Millions of years, we have only very recently developed the ability to completely wipe ourselves out globally. Yep, it is just a matter of time until another country gets nukes with a nut in charge and feels "religiously justified" in using them, whereupon the other side will feel "religiously justified" to strike back. And so it goes. Who was right? Won't even be able to fight over it anymore because pretty much everyone will be dead, and those who are not will wish they were.
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