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July 10th, 2012, 4:18 am #1

NOT a spender as I have said he was. i was SO wrong about the guy.



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July 10th, 2012, 1:02 pm #2

******** chart. We know that obama has spent more than all the presidents before the year 2000. and as spent more in three years than Bush did in 8 years. All the bogus charts that say different are false.

I tend to think gerard didn't post that chart and I know who may have but will not say right now.
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July 10th, 2012, 5:29 pm #3


I can't stand it when folks post under false names. 

As to the charts, "Statistics" can be played in either way, based on who you wan to make look good or bad.

When you do look at things in the last few years though, there are several points to be made...

---- The yearly deficit is MASSIVE, but this has been building for a long time.  Only Bush's tax reductions and etc kept the economy from sinking earlier.  Even during the economic bubble of Bush's years, the deficit had ballooned to half a tril a year.  --- Once the economy did implode because of the housing bubble, the deficits were going to balloon up massively because of the decreased revenue coming in to the treasury, along with the increased draw on unemployment rolls, no matter who was president. Had McCain been elected, the same kinds of deficit numbers would be occurring.  Don't forget, it is the Republicans who also are extending unemployment benefits out to 99 weeks.

----  Under Obama, PUBLIC sector jobs have decreased, while PRIVATE sector jobs have increased.  For all the folks who argue that the private sector needs to grow while the Public sector needs to be cut some, that is what has been occurring!  That is good news.  --- It is a slow recovery, but it is Private sector jobs being created, not public sector jobs. Just look at the monthly jobs numbers and you can see that occurring. Government spending has grown very little under Obama, that part of the chart is indeed correct.  --It is the decreased revenue to the treasury because we continually cut taxes that makes for the big divide between spending and revenues. (And thus, the deficit).

----  Too many folks stand there playing the "Obama is great, republicans suck" game and others "Obama and the Dem's Suck, the Repubs are the answer to all of our problems" Game.   Can't see the forest for the trees.   Very few can step back and look at the whole thing Objectively, from the top.   

---- As to the National Debt, I used to worry about it too, but one day I realized that almost EVERY major country is in debt up to its' eyeballs.  Most industrialized countries are under massive debt.  So who are the credotor countries?  Who is the creditor if all the conntries are Debtor nations?  Long story short, since all major countries are Debtor nations, then all major countries will work to make these debts disappear.  ((For example, look at Europe for instance.  They cannot sustain their big debtloads because of high intrest rates, so they loan money to the IMF and other such entities, who then come along and buy up all the debt from the very countries that financed the IMF in the first place!, POOF, when the public wasn't looking, all the debt disappears and things roll on.  Watch how this occurs in Italy, Greece, Portugal, and eventually a whole list of countries.  If everyone is a debtor nation, they can find ways to make it disappear, and they are.)).

 

I probably wasted all my time typing that... Probably just going to get some useless one-line quips back from the Nuccs of the world who just don't think that deeply about these situations and would rather play partisain puppet games.  Oh well..    

 

 

 

 


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July 10th, 2012, 6:28 pm #4

...You should look MORE at the people on YOUR SIDE of the fence Super. It's loaded with FALSITIES.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says,~~~~Jesus Christ"
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July 10th, 2012, 8:57 pm #5

I can't stand it when folks post under false names. 

As to the charts, "Statistics" can be played in either way, based on who you wan to make look good or bad.

When you do look at things in the last few years though, there are several points to be made...

---- The yearly deficit is MASSIVE, but this has been building for a long time.  Only Bush's tax reductions and etc kept the economy from sinking earlier.  Even during the economic bubble of Bush's years, the deficit had ballooned to half a tril a year.  --- Once the economy did implode because of the housing bubble, the deficits were going to balloon up massively because of the decreased revenue coming in to the treasury, along with the increased draw on unemployment rolls, no matter who was president. Had McCain been elected, the same kinds of deficit numbers would be occurring.  Don't forget, it is the Republicans who also are extending unemployment benefits out to 99 weeks.

----  Under Obama, PUBLIC sector jobs have decreased, while PRIVATE sector jobs have increased.  For all the folks who argue that the private sector needs to grow while the Public sector needs to be cut some, that is what has been occurring!  That is good news.  --- It is a slow recovery, but it is Private sector jobs being created, not public sector jobs. Just look at the monthly jobs numbers and you can see that occurring. Government spending has grown very little under Obama, that part of the chart is indeed correct.  --It is the decreased revenue to the treasury because we continually cut taxes that makes for the big divide between spending and revenues. (And thus, the deficit).

----  Too many folks stand there playing the "Obama is great, republicans suck" game and others "Obama and the Dem's Suck, the Repubs are the answer to all of our problems" Game.   Can't see the forest for the trees.   Very few can step back and look at the whole thing Objectively, from the top.   

---- As to the National Debt, I used to worry about it too, but one day I realized that almost EVERY major country is in debt up to its' eyeballs.  Most industrialized countries are under massive debt.  So who are the credotor countries?  Who is the creditor if all the conntries are Debtor nations?  Long story short, since all major countries are Debtor nations, then all major countries will work to make these debts disappear.  ((For example, look at Europe for instance.  They cannot sustain their big debtloads because of high intrest rates, so they loan money to the IMF and other such entities, who then come along and buy up all the debt from the very countries that financed the IMF in the first place!, POOF, when the public wasn't looking, all the debt disappears and things roll on.  Watch how this occurs in Italy, Greece, Portugal, and eventually a whole list of countries.  If everyone is a debtor nation, they can find ways to make it disappear, and they are.)).

 

I probably wasted all my time typing that... Probably just going to get some useless one-line quips back from the Nuccs of the world who just don't think that deeply about these situations and would rather play partisain puppet games.  Oh well..    

 

 

 

 

Super you remember that I hated Bush/Cheney with the same passion that I hate barack obama, but the implosion you are talking about actually happened after the democrats won both houses....

REMEMBER JAN. 3, 2007
The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was January 3rd 2007, the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, the start of the 110th Congress. The Democratic Party gained a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault," think about this:
January 3rd, 2007, the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!
Remember that day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.
The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?

BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!
THANK YOU DEMOCRATS (especially Barney) for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5% GDP and 4.6% Unemployment...to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES!

(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 times to stop Fannie & Freddie -starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy).Barney blocked it and called it a "Chicken Little Philosophy" (and the sky did fall!)

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA

And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?
OBAMA and the Democrat Congress, especially BARNEY!!!!

So when someone tries to blame Bush...
REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007....THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"

Bush may have been in the car but the Democrats were in charge of the gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving the economy into the ditch.

Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party.

Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011.

In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.

For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budget.

Andwhere was Barack Obama during this time?He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009. Let's remember what the deficits looked like during that period:

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.

In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is, "I inherited a deficit that I voted for,
And then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th, 2009."

"The problems we face today exist because the people who WORK for a living are outnumbered by those who VOTE for a living."
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July 10th, 2012, 9:03 pm #6

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July 10th, 2012, 10:06 pm #7

You'd do better with urbanlegends.com
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July 10th, 2012, 10:07 pm #8

That should be urbanlegends.org
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July 10th, 2012, 10:26 pm #9

I didn't even check snoops on this. It was an e mail and had a link for it. evidently someone else had checked snoops. I assumed it was true and believe it is. I didn't like Bush at all but I did well financially under his first six years.

I do think that if Gore had been elected in 2000 that 9-11 would not have happened or the two middle east wars. Inside job created to start the wars for Cheney and Halliburton and reelection of Bush. I didn't like Gore but did vote for him. McCain was the first republican president I ever voted for and I am 100 years old. [grin]
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July 11th, 2012, 11:34 am #10

Funny how you claim followers of Christ ought not be involved in "worldly politics," yet, you always either initiate political posts, or insert yourself into them, either as yourself, or posting as someone else. Can you say, HYPOCRITE?
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