Paul
Paul

January 7th, 2018, 6:06 pm #81

I'm assuming a PO modified the exhaust from thru outdrive to thru hull. I'm inclined to change it back to its original condition. Plus, I'd prefer less noise.
Steve,

Chris Craft built thousands of inboard boats with straight exhaust and no mufflers. Mufflers were an option and CC made some small cast iron units that were laid down flat in the bilge, but quite honestly you won't need mufflers and noise won't be an issue. The helm is so far forward, and the transom so tall, and the fact that the pipes will be partially full of steam and water means the noise factor really is not all that pronounced. With the twin tips you'll have the classic CC sound, and when under way you won't really be hearing much of anything from them either. My 20-foot fiberglass Sea Skiff has the straight pipes and noise is absolutely not an issue. You will also have considerably less back pressure with the twin exhaust.

The sound will be more noticed outside the boat than inside. Here is a bit what you might expect, this is my 20-foot Skiff, and your boat will have a little longer exhaust pipes but a similar sound. Then if you think the noise is actually an issue after really experiencing it first hand, then you can slap on a couple rubber mufflers inline somewhere and be done with it, and still have less back pressure than the original installation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ApwasE-qRI

Regards,
Paul
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January 8th, 2018, 1:34 pm #82

I recently acquired a 1971 Lancer 23' Offshore. It appears to have the original 307QLV, which does not start. The PO also added quite a bit of extras. I'm in the process of stripping off the extras and non-original bits and pieces. However, it's hard to know exactly what to toss and what to keep given that the hull card is currently not available. My ultimate plan is to pull the engine, rebuild, paint the boat the original colors (gray hull, white topside), and bring it back to its former glory.

I've already learned alot from lurking on the forum. I will be posting when questions arise, which I anticipate to be quite often. I will post some photos once I go back and review how to post photos...

Hi Steve, congratulations, you are in for a fun project. I am restoring an almost identical 1971 23' Offshore with 307QLV, white with blue stripes.
Don't hesitate to post questions here, this forum is great to help along with a lot of useful advice. Post with pictures always better.
By-the-way, a question: what kind of cooling system on you boat? Raw water or closed cooling?
Cheers
Pierre
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January 8th, 2018, 2:22 pm #83

I'm assuming a PO modified the exhaust from thru outdrive to thru hull. I'm inclined to change it back to its original condition. Plus, I'd prefer less noise.
Congratulations Steve!
Looks like you've got yourself a nice 23 Lancer Offshore I/O. From my experience, I'd keep the thru-hull exhaust for the reasons that Paul notes and well, these V8s have a nice rumble that's not too loud.

Here's a video of our current Chris-Craft XK-22 w an Aquamatic (Volvo) 270 I/O that gives you a good idea of what you may expect when yours is up and running, though it's a 350FLV HO w solid lifters the thru-hull exhaust tone is subdued when seated inside.https://youtu.be/-iPdKYJ_oYs

Our prior CC, a 23 Lancer Overnighter w a 350GLV was a wonderful boat but with the exhaust exiting underwater through the Aquamatic 280, just no rumble. https://youtu.be/ZnG2sg713N4

Looking forward to seeing and reading about progress on your Lancer!

Skol!
Craig L
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January 9th, 2018, 5:19 pm #84

Many people would call that a user boat now. If you have some vintage electronic equipment like Ray Jeff, for instance, or some other period equipment, you might want to keep that just because it was from the era. Some of the old stuff is junk, but I kept a vintage 30-watt hailer on my 38 Commander and it works great and has a cool look. As you get into your project send us some additional photos and we'll help in any way we can. The 23 Offshore is a great model.

Regards,
Paul
Thank you for the warm welcome Paul. Also, thank you for your suggestions. I have to agree, this boat was well used. PO's added two antennas, a vhf, a depth finder, fish finder, stereo and speakers, two horns, a spotlight, and a fishing chair on the front deck. I've removed all of the above. I am keeping it all for now. All that gear, plus the additional seat a PO had made, must have weighed a few hundred pounds. Until I get the hull card, I will keep it all. Until then, I'm going to likely patch the holes and get it painted. Thank you again.
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January 9th, 2018, 5:26 pm #85

Hi Steve, congratulations, you are in for a fun project. I am restoring an almost identical 1971 23' Offshore with 307QLV, white with blue stripes.
Don't hesitate to post questions here, this forum is great to help along with a lot of useful advice. Post with pictures always better.
By-the-way, a question: what kind of cooling system on you boat? Raw water or closed cooling?
Cheers
Pierre
Hi Pierre,

Thank you for the encouragement (I need it at time lol). My engine is raw water cooled but spent its entire life in fresh water. I plan on using it in salt water. What system do you have? (closed or raw). Also, what have you done so far to your boat? So far, I've been removing the extra equipment and chrome pieces. Thanks again for your help.
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January 9th, 2018, 5:38 pm #86

Congratulations Steve!
Looks like you've got yourself a nice 23 Lancer Offshore I/O. From my experience, I'd keep the thru-hull exhaust for the reasons that Paul notes and well, these V8s have a nice rumble that's not too loud.

Here's a video of our current Chris-Craft XK-22 w an Aquamatic (Volvo) 270 I/O that gives you a good idea of what you may expect when yours is up and running, though it's a 350FLV HO w solid lifters the thru-hull exhaust tone is subdued when seated inside.https://youtu.be/-iPdKYJ_oYs

Our prior CC, a 23 Lancer Overnighter w a 350GLV was a wonderful boat but with the exhaust exiting underwater through the Aquamatic 280, just no rumble. https://youtu.be/ZnG2sg713N4

Looking forward to seeing and reading about progress on your Lancer!

Skol!
Craig L
Craig,

Thank you for your input and that video. That's a nice XK-22 you have. Reminds me alot of the XK-19 I had briefly before my Lancer 23' (wife wanted a boat with a v-berth and head). I agree, the rumble of the exhaust is great, and not too loud. I may just keep the thru hull exhaust after all.

On another point, I'm finding that alot of the details on my 23' Lancer are identical to the XK-22 of the same era (ie bow light, stern light, throttle, etc). I'm always looking for shinier parts to replace the pitted ones my boat came with. I'm competing with all the XK-22 owners so I'm finding parts are rather scarce. Thanks again for your input.
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January 9th, 2018, 7:25 pm #87

Hi Pierre,

Thank you for the encouragement (I need it at time lol). My engine is raw water cooled but spent its entire life in fresh water. I plan on using it in salt water. What system do you have? (closed or raw). Also, what have you done so far to your boat? So far, I've been removing the extra equipment and chrome pieces. Thanks again for your help.
Those terms mean different things to different people so it's best to use the terms in the CC owners manual: "Standard" and "Closed" (Closed with antifreeze and heat exchangers)



Regards,
Paul
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January 17th, 2018, 3:47 pm #88

Craig,

Thank you for your input and that video. That's a nice XK-22 you have. Reminds me alot of the XK-19 I had briefly before my Lancer 23' (wife wanted a boat with a v-berth and head). I agree, the rumble of the exhaust is great, and not too loud. I may just keep the thru hull exhaust after all.

On another point, I'm finding that alot of the details on my 23' Lancer are identical to the XK-22 of the same era (ie bow light, stern light, throttle, etc). I'm always looking for shinier parts to replace the pitted ones my boat came with. I'm competing with all the XK-22 owners so I'm finding parts are rather scarce. Thanks again for your input.
Steve,
Thanks very much. Yes the factory assembly process for these boats included many of the same parts bins. When I restored our 1978 23 Lancer Overnighter I found the same situation; it was all there except many parts appeared very "tired". Thankfully Chris-Craft had switched to using Perko cleats and vent scoops that lo and behold, are still being made so I bought new as the cost was much better than rechroming.

For things like the shift handle and light mast, those were sent off for replating and the results were spectacular. Not cheap but not that many parts required it and as you point out, rarer than hens teeth. I used Chrome Plating Specialists in WI (920) 756-3284, Mr. Terry Meetz. Affordable and good service/quality work.

Keep us posted.

Skol!
Craig L
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February 4th, 2018, 10:18 pm #89

Craig,

Thank you for the reference for the re-plating company. Once my hull card is available (hopefully this summer) I will know what was original and what was added by the PO's. I already have a few items that I either can't polish or can't find replacements for. I will likely re-plate those items since I prefer the boat to be as original as possible. An example of an item I haven't found yet and is badly pitted is the steering wheel hub. I will be buying a replacement covico wheel for my '71 Lancer 23' and would be a shame to put a pitted hub back on a shiny new wheel. Do you, or anyone else, know of a source for this hub? Thank you again for your assistance.
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February 4th, 2018, 11:40 pm #90

.....I found my 1973 Lancer cleats in stainless steel for ten bucks.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/424840/t ... +TEN+BUCKS+!!

Regards,
Paul
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