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October 3rd, 2012, 11:35 pm #61

Where in Maine?
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October 4th, 2012, 12:28 am #62

Eastport, the undiscovered, unspoiled gem.
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Joined: September 7th, 2012, 10:09 pm

November 19th, 2012, 10:58 pm #63

Just picked up a 25' 1969 w twin 225vb outdrives. 900 hrs, runs like a top. Trying to add photos but must be doing something wrong. Cut and or copy and then paste on a Mac doesn't work. email me and I can send. I am very excited about this boat and outfitting for Lake Michigan. It spent its entire life on Lake Minnetonka in MN. I would love to chat with anyone who is interested.

Tom
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Paul
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November 19th, 2012, 11:50 pm #64

Hey email those photos to me at chriscraftcommander@hotmail.com and I'll upload em for you.

In the meantime we'll give you some pointers regarding how to upload photos in the future too.


Regards,

Paul
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Joined: August 26th, 2011, 11:36 am

October 11th, 2013, 12:50 pm #65

Ever notice how darn similar the original Forumula 233 looks to the 23' Lancer?

No wonder..........they are both designed by Jim Wynne.



"The 233 was Aronow's first boat under the Formula name. It was designed by Jim Wynne. This was Aronow's first race boat and in collaboration with Jim Wynne and Walt Walters they founded the Formula Boat Company. This was in 1962. I think they Aronow won the Miami Nassau race in the 233. The 233 went on to win a number of offshore races while Aronow went on to found Cigarette, Magnum, Donzi and USA Racing. Aronow was murdered in 1987 by a rival boat builder.
The formula 233 is a race proven offshore hull that was manufactured under the guidance of Don Aronow starting in the 60's. Jim Wynn, a legendary designer, told me once that the 233 bred a lot of hulls and had influence on a lot more like Robalo and Intrepid."

"Many folks used the 233 as a starting point for their "new" designs, popping a mold off the old girl and slightly modifying the product.
They still make the 233 in Australia today"

http://www.edencraft.com.au/formula.html

The first 7 images are of the Formula design, you sure could mistake one of these for a Lancer!










Here's the Chris Craft version






It is becoming more evident that Chris Craft was "reacting" to fiberglass boat building rather than being a pioneer. They watched Hatteras build a glass crusier, and Don Aronow build the Formula and Thunderbird boats first, and then came up with their own "mass produced" XL-175 and 23' Lancer versions. Interesting that they hired Jim Wynne to do the design work.

In my recent telephone conversation with Chris Smith a few days ago, he mentioned he was with Jim Wynne when they water tested the first 36' (wood) Corvette, which was a V-drive boat with twin 427 motors, in the typical fashion Jim loved, deep V and lots of outdrive power. Chris said he was impressed with Jim because he had predicted everything they found during the test. However, on some of the Chris Craft adventures before getting the real world experience from Mr. Wynne, Chris Said they tested a few of their own deep v designs, and the boat would get going and then flop over on one side, frightening. They actually built a model that had a 28 degree deadrise, it was a "total failure" and would not get up on a plane. They tried twin rudders on it. They could not power it up onto a plane, it would not go in a straight line either.

They built something like 5 of these for simultaneous shows around the country, however at the time engineering was saying "wait, we have problems with this one". They were shown at shows anyway and sold something like 50. CC put trim tabs on them so they could be more controlled, but CC dropped the model rather quickly due to fears of litigation from dangerous handling. I don't know the model, but I'll do some research. It appears that the 24 degree deadrise on the Lancer, and the Wynne designed Forumula 233, is about as steep a cut as you can do while still getting the handling and planing needed. Chris Smith contends you just can't steer a deep v boat very well. He said on some of the testing, you "could see a coconut in the water up ahead and you just didn't know what side the boat was going to pass it by".

Chris Craft got the Wynne design, started in with their own high performance hull designs and whittled away at the competition with a vast dealer network, good warranty, reliable power that had been used in many other models, and most likely a resin and fiberglass construction that was pretty darn good by comparison with any other manufacturer of the day.

This is not to take anything away from the 233, I hear they're great boats (too).

Regards,

Paul








I was please to see this nice unit tied up at our marina a couple weeks ago. Looks a lot like a Lancer 23. Major distinction between the two at a distance is the two piece windshield of the Formula 233. Very nice looking boat.



There's actually an old 233 abandoned at my boat yard. Good help me. Ill post some pics later.
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Craig L
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October 11th, 2013, 2:00 pm #66

Yes indeed Mr. Judge, there is a strong resemblance. Was this one that Wynne had a hand in? Whoever penned the Lancer windshield/sliding hatch design (Avery?) scooped the others on ergonomics. Having one makes you appreciate it all the more after seeing other designs like this and imagining the gymnastics just to get on the bow
Skol!
Craig L
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October 11th, 2013, 2:19 pm #67

My understanding is that Jim Wynne designed the boat for Don Aranow who owned Formula at the time. Now that's a pedigree! My guess is the boats coming out of Miami in the 60's and 70's were designed with the intentions of running from Miami to Nassau as fast as possible. That mindset would certainly lead to boats as awesome as the Lancers, Formulas, and Donzis among others. I believe this picture is of Aranow and Wynne.
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Thomas Knafve
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October 11th, 2013, 7:06 pm #68

Michael Aronow has written a book about his father Don Aronow " The King of Thunderboat Row" where ofcourse Jim Wynne figures! Lots of nice pictures and a good read!
Jim's to the left in the picture from 1965.
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October 11th, 2013, 8:07 pm #69

My understanding is that Jim Wynne designed the boat for Don Aranow who owned Formula at the time. Now that's a pedigree! My guess is the boats coming out of Miami in the 60's and 70's were designed with the intentions of running from Miami to Nassau as fast as possible. That mindset would certainly lead to boats as awesome as the Lancers, Formulas, and Donzis among others. I believe this picture is of Aranow and Wynne.
Those were amazing times for boat builders and designers.

Paul
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October 22nd, 2013, 5:51 pm #70

The rare 19' Lancer ! How many of these have we seen for sale (Answer: "one").






more Lancer stuff follows..........................

Paul
Love the lines of this boat. Just never enough time in the day and kidos can't wait for it to get done, so have a guy picking mine up today. Hopefully he can give it the attention it deserves.




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