* 1966 Corsair Brochure ( Scans ) PART - I ( Chris Craft Commander family tree)

* 1966 Corsair Brochure ( Scans ) PART - I ( Chris Craft Commander family tree)

Paul
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February 8th, 2007, 12:10 am #1

This is the first of the scans from the Rob DaPron collection. Thanks to Rob for sharing this info with the forum !

A chriscraftcommmander.com EXCLUSIVE !
You're not going to read this anywhere else, becuase it's not on the net anywhere else !

This is an important part of Chris Craft Commander family tree, and an equally important part of Chris Craft fiberglass history. This is an important saga in the Corsair role in developing the Commander 19' SS or XK-19, or the 23' Commander, at the Cortland, New York (Thompson) Plant. There are several smaller (outboard and i/o) models that were built during this time frame, but for now we're concentrating on the larger boats that were in the Chris Craft Commander immediate family tree.

In 1962 CC acquired the Thompson Boat Co. of New York and they immediately started construction on a factory on the adjoining lot, with intentions of getting into the fiberglass sport boat business. Two years after the aquisition, as we know, the 1964 fiberglass 38 Chris Craft Commander Express was first introduced. Prior to this, however, CC was busy at work on smaller boats (too), and this series of scans shows the boats that came out of the Thompson/Chris Craft/Corsair division at Cortland.

The boats eventually evolved into the Lancer line, which is a direct and immediate relative of the 19' Commander SS (which used a cut down Lancer hull) and the 23' Commander (which used the 23' Lancer hull).

Chris Craft not only got a complete division they could dedicate to fiberglass boats, they also got all of Thompson's extensive knowledge of the inboard/outboard business which they marketed under the name of "Transdrive".

Regards, enjoy,

Paul





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February 8th, 2007, 12:18 am #2



This boat, the 20' Corsair Sea-V Inboard, is almost identical to my 1966 Sea Skiff, but without the (optional) side rails, and the aft air vents which are shown to be cast into the fiberglass on this boat. The starboard side vent is identical to my 1966 fiberglass Skiff. Interior trim is also different.



This appears to be "the first" promo material for the new 23' Lancer. Power is listed as a 150-hp V6. This boat is significant in Chris Craft Commander history, because it is an early and direct relative of the 23' V-drive Commander.


Regards, Paul

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February 8th, 2007, 12:23 am #3

This is the first of the scans from the Rob DaPron collection. Thanks to Rob for sharing this info with the forum !

A chriscraftcommmander.com EXCLUSIVE !
You're not going to read this anywhere else, becuase it's not on the net anywhere else !

This is an important part of Chris Craft Commander family tree, and an equally important part of Chris Craft fiberglass history. This is an important saga in the Corsair role in developing the Commander 19' SS or XK-19, or the 23' Commander, at the Cortland, New York (Thompson) Plant. There are several smaller (outboard and i/o) models that were built during this time frame, but for now we're concentrating on the larger boats that were in the Chris Craft Commander immediate family tree.

In 1962 CC acquired the Thompson Boat Co. of New York and they immediately started construction on a factory on the adjoining lot, with intentions of getting into the fiberglass sport boat business. Two years after the aquisition, as we know, the 1964 fiberglass 38 Chris Craft Commander Express was first introduced. Prior to this, however, CC was busy at work on smaller boats (too), and this series of scans shows the boats that came out of the Thompson/Chris Craft/Corsair division at Cortland.

The boats eventually evolved into the Lancer line, which is a direct and immediate relative of the 19' Commander SS (which used a cut down Lancer hull) and the 23' Commander (which used the 23' Lancer hull).

Chris Craft not only got a complete division they could dedicate to fiberglass boats, they also got all of Thompson's extensive knowledge of the inboard/outboard business which they marketed under the name of "Transdrive".

Regards, enjoy,

Paul




From the Rob DaPron collection!



The 1967 Cover photo goes to the very sporty 17-1/2' Sport-V Tansdrive. A sophisticated performance boat with respectable power and speed rating, and very nice sharp lines. This boat developed the hull construction techniques and further developed the transdrive setup that Thompson Boat Co of New York had been using in their wood boats, and it was the predecessor of the 19' 1969 Commander Super Sport (which used a V-drive, but also came in the transdrive configuration too).






Next up the line was this 18' Sea-V Transdrive


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February 8th, 2007, 12:29 am #4

On these photos, look closely and you will be able to tell they are THE SAME photos used for 1966, but the clamshell vents have been air brushed in, and the cast in place vents of the year before have been air brushed out!








A further development of the 23 Commander hull, this 23 Lancer came with a nifty hardtop design and an optional V8
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February 8th, 2007, 12:33 am #5

And now, the first of the real photos showing the 23' Lancer. Note the power options now which include a single 150-hp V6, a 185-hp 283 V8, and a very interesting pair of 120-hp motors. The twin engine job would have been quite the (rare) boat !!










Regards, Paul
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February 8th, 2007, 4:22 pm #6

This is the first of the scans from the Rob DaPron collection. Thanks to Rob for sharing this info with the forum !

A chriscraftcommmander.com EXCLUSIVE !
You're not going to read this anywhere else, becuase it's not on the net anywhere else !

This is an important part of Chris Craft Commander family tree, and an equally important part of Chris Craft fiberglass history. This is an important saga in the Corsair role in developing the Commander 19' SS or XK-19, or the 23' Commander, at the Cortland, New York (Thompson) Plant. There are several smaller (outboard and i/o) models that were built during this time frame, but for now we're concentrating on the larger boats that were in the Chris Craft Commander immediate family tree.

In 1962 CC acquired the Thompson Boat Co. of New York and they immediately started construction on a factory on the adjoining lot, with intentions of getting into the fiberglass sport boat business. Two years after the aquisition, as we know, the 1964 fiberglass 38 Chris Craft Commander Express was first introduced. Prior to this, however, CC was busy at work on smaller boats (too), and this series of scans shows the boats that came out of the Thompson/Chris Craft/Corsair division at Cortland.

The boats eventually evolved into the Lancer line, which is a direct and immediate relative of the 19' Commander SS (which used a cut down Lancer hull) and the 23' Commander (which used the 23' Lancer hull).

Chris Craft not only got a complete division they could dedicate to fiberglass boats, they also got all of Thompson's extensive knowledge of the inboard/outboard business which they marketed under the name of "Transdrive".

Regards, enjoy,

Paul




Paul, this is some great stuff here. Thanks for posting it, and many thanks to Rob for sending it in. These are some great boats, and it is very interesting how they have a place on the "styled in fiberglass" family tree.

Howard
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February 8th, 2007, 5:43 pm #7

I agree, Howard, this is some very interesting history. The Chris Craft Commander lineup was predominantly with the larger boats, but there is a very important part of Commander history with the smaller "sport boat" divison too. It was a strategic part of CC marketing, and it helped them dominate the marketplace with very high quality and attractive products.

Regards, Paul
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February 8th, 2007, 5:49 pm #8

This is the first of the scans from the Rob DaPron collection. Thanks to Rob for sharing this info with the forum !

A chriscraftcommmander.com EXCLUSIVE !
You're not going to read this anywhere else, becuase it's not on the net anywhere else !

This is an important part of Chris Craft Commander family tree, and an equally important part of Chris Craft fiberglass history. This is an important saga in the Corsair role in developing the Commander 19' SS or XK-19, or the 23' Commander, at the Cortland, New York (Thompson) Plant. There are several smaller (outboard and i/o) models that were built during this time frame, but for now we're concentrating on the larger boats that were in the Chris Craft Commander immediate family tree.

In 1962 CC acquired the Thompson Boat Co. of New York and they immediately started construction on a factory on the adjoining lot, with intentions of getting into the fiberglass sport boat business. Two years after the aquisition, as we know, the 1964 fiberglass 38 Chris Craft Commander Express was first introduced. Prior to this, however, CC was busy at work on smaller boats (too), and this series of scans shows the boats that came out of the Thompson/Chris Craft/Corsair division at Cortland.

The boats eventually evolved into the Lancer line, which is a direct and immediate relative of the 19' Commander SS (which used a cut down Lancer hull) and the 23' Commander (which used the 23' Lancer hull).

Chris Craft not only got a complete division they could dedicate to fiberglass boats, they also got all of Thompson's extensive knowledge of the inboard/outboard business which they marketed under the name of "Transdrive".

Regards, enjoy,

Paul




Here's a look back in time, to when Eaton Dearborn Marine was furnishing power to a variety of boat builders, including Century, Thompson and MFG (as shown on the image below). In essence, Eaton was furnishing power to Chris Craft at this time, as Thompson had just come under Chris Craft ownership.

This is not unlike the Ford 289-powered Sunbeam Tiger, which eventually became part of Chrysler Corp through acqusition, and Chrysler found themselves selling a Ford product. It's also not unlike the BMW powered Range Rover of more recent times, that Ford got through acquisition, and found themselves selling (and warranting) a BMW motor. Since Ford supplied the basic motor to Eaton and Chris Craft, this wasn't much of an issue.





regards, Paul
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February 8th, 2007, 5:54 pm #9

This is the first of the scans from the Rob DaPron collection. Thanks to Rob for sharing this info with the forum !

A chriscraftcommmander.com EXCLUSIVE !
You're not going to read this anywhere else, becuase it's not on the net anywhere else !

This is an important part of Chris Craft Commander family tree, and an equally important part of Chris Craft fiberglass history. This is an important saga in the Corsair role in developing the Commander 19' SS or XK-19, or the 23' Commander, at the Cortland, New York (Thompson) Plant. There are several smaller (outboard and i/o) models that were built during this time frame, but for now we're concentrating on the larger boats that were in the Chris Craft Commander immediate family tree.

In 1962 CC acquired the Thompson Boat Co. of New York and they immediately started construction on a factory on the adjoining lot, with intentions of getting into the fiberglass sport boat business. Two years after the aquisition, as we know, the 1964 fiberglass 38 Chris Craft Commander Express was first introduced. Prior to this, however, CC was busy at work on smaller boats (too), and this series of scans shows the boats that came out of the Thompson/Chris Craft/Corsair division at Cortland.

The boats eventually evolved into the Lancer line, which is a direct and immediate relative of the 19' Commander SS (which used a cut down Lancer hull) and the 23' Commander (which used the 23' Lancer hull).

Chris Craft not only got a complete division they could dedicate to fiberglass boats, they also got all of Thompson's extensive knowledge of the inboard/outboard business which they marketed under the name of "Transdrive".

Regards, enjoy,

Paul




Not much out there at the moment for 1964, but here is an odd one. Chris Craft, through Thompson, was offering a foam sandwich panel boat, which shows up in the 1966 brochures on the very small dinghy sized boats. I imagine this design offered a very solid construction UNTIL it delaminated and got water saturated. In any case, this is an interesting view of a 1964 Corsair we don't often see.



Thankfully, Chris Craft didn't build the full size Commander with a foam sandwich panel hull !!

Regards, Paul


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Additional info on the 1964 Corsair model year added
http://www.network54.com/Forum/424840/m ... 1170345594
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February 8th, 2007, 7:36 pm #10

This is the first of the scans from the Rob DaPron collection. Thanks to Rob for sharing this info with the forum !

A chriscraftcommmander.com EXCLUSIVE !
You're not going to read this anywhere else, becuase it's not on the net anywhere else !

This is an important part of Chris Craft Commander family tree, and an equally important part of Chris Craft fiberglass history. This is an important saga in the Corsair role in developing the Commander 19' SS or XK-19, or the 23' Commander, at the Cortland, New York (Thompson) Plant. There are several smaller (outboard and i/o) models that were built during this time frame, but for now we're concentrating on the larger boats that were in the Chris Craft Commander immediate family tree.

In 1962 CC acquired the Thompson Boat Co. of New York and they immediately started construction on a factory on the adjoining lot, with intentions of getting into the fiberglass sport boat business. Two years after the aquisition, as we know, the 1964 fiberglass 38 Chris Craft Commander Express was first introduced. Prior to this, however, CC was busy at work on smaller boats (too), and this series of scans shows the boats that came out of the Thompson/Chris Craft/Corsair division at Cortland.

The boats eventually evolved into the Lancer line, which is a direct and immediate relative of the 19' Commander SS (which used a cut down Lancer hull) and the 23' Commander (which used the 23' Lancer hull).

Chris Craft not only got a complete division they could dedicate to fiberglass boats, they also got all of Thompson's extensive knowledge of the inboard/outboard business which they marketed under the name of "Transdrive".

Regards, enjoy,

Paul




Another http://www.chriscraftcommander.com EXCLUSIVE !

Another branch of the Chris Craft Commander extended family tree !

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Thanks to Rob DaPron, of Mercer Island, WA, we have this information to share. It sure is a lot better than what I received from the Mariner's Museum !!!!




The boat on the bottom of the image below, is an exact dead ringer for the one I am presently restoring. 70 were made in 1966 and mine is #39. My motor block has been exchanged for a 250-hp block so the speed should be slightly better than posted.

One interesting thing I notice here, is the rear clamshells, which are not as delivered on my boat. Mine are more of the standard "Corsair" vents as shown on some of the other marketing materials. It's not uncommon for marketing and manufacturing to be doing different things!



These boats were built along side the 20' Corsair Sea-V which shared the same basic hull, but didn't come with green gelcoat. The interior trim is slightly differnt too. The "Sea Skiff" name only lasted two years in fiberglass, and only 10 of these 20 boats were built in 1967. The hull was produced in larger quantities under the "Corsair Sea V" name, making one of these green glass Skiffs a pretty rare boat to find on the water 41-years later. The 19' and 23' Chris Craft Commanders that were built three years later under this same roof not only shared similar fiberglass construction techniques, they also shared the same power, steering wheels, and gear/throttle controls, with this Skiff, depending upon model.

Regards, Paul
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