Trump's New Year Message

battlingignorance
Joined: 01 Sep 2012, 12:06

02 Nov 2017, 12:02 #2181

Goodness me -- so little noise from our local CAO Trumpistas, of late. Perhaps they're working on this little head-scratcher?:

Let us suppose the American electoral system was a representative democracy, in which the winner of the popular vote was the winner of the presidential election. (Crazy sounding, I know, but just go with it.)
So now Hillary Clinton would be president.  (OK, OK...calm yourselves - it's just a game, here....)
Let’s suppose that every single one of our intelligence agencies concluded that the Russians worked overtime to help her win, by stealing emails from her opponent and releasing them through Wikileaks, by spreading propaganda on social media, and by attempting to hack into the election systems in 21 states.
Now let’s further suppose that Clinton had previously done extensive business in Russia - including attempting to build hotels, had heaped praise on Vladimir Putin, and had borrowed unknown sums of money from wealthy Russian oligarchs (though the exact sum remained unknown because Clinton refused to release her tax records).

With me so far, Trump fans?!

Okay, now let’s have Clinton fill her campaign staff with guys who also have extensive histories of doing business with Russians, and who meet with Russians repeatedly during the campaign....even though they wind up repeatedly lying about these meetings to investigators.
Let’s say that the stolen Russian dirt on her opponent gets released over the course of the campaign, always at crucial moments and that Clinton and her staff push for pro-Russian measures during the election and now while in office.
Just for good measure, let’s give Clinton a long and documented record of lying her head off about pretty much everything, one that only worsens as President. And let’s say that Clinton’s core philosophy — one she puts forward in all her books — is to "win at any cost", if possible by destroying your opponent.
As President, let’s say Clinton appoints a National Security Advisor who has to resign after a few weeks, because of his lies about his contact with Russians. And an Attorney General who has to recuse himself from investigations … because of his lies about his contact with Russians.
And let’s say Clinton fires the director of the FBI, because, as she explains on national TV, she wants him to stop investigating her possible collusion with Russia.
Now let’s suppose that emails emerge showing that Clinton’s son, her trusted son-in-law, and her campaign manager all met with Russians during the campaign, specifically because these Russians were promising dirt on her opponent. Let’s say Clinton had the audacity to go on TV, just a few hours later, crowing about all the dirt she was going to reveal about her opponent.
Then let’s suppose that Clinton’s former campaign manager is indicted by the Special Counsel investigating her campaign’s collusion, along with another top campaign staffer, for money laundering, conspiracy, and other charges.
And that one of Clinton’s foreign policy advisors — a man she told the Washington Post was “an excellent guy” — pleaded guilty to lying about his contact with Russians, specifically his numerous attempts to broker a meeting between Clinton and the Russians.

Let’s suppose all that happened; there's more...but let's just go with this, OK?

The question is pretty simple, Trumpistas: Do you think Hillary Clinton and/or her campaign colluded with Russia to win the election?
And if she and/or her staff did collude with America’s chief foreign adversary to subvert our free and fair elections, does that constitute treason?
And if it does constitute treason, should we — what’s the phrase I’m looking for here? Oh yes, here it is -- lock her up?

Or should we give Clinton a few more weeks or months to flail around, tweeting conspiracy theories floated by propagandistic media? Should we allow her to fire the Special Counsel who just indicted her former campaign chief? Should we allow her to trigger a constitutional crisis, simply because we lack the courage to remove her from office?

To you CAO Trumpistas (talking to you here, Masky, Dianne, tyu, et al) who still cling to the notion that our current president is morally fit to serve, the rest of us await your answer.

Thanks, and Happy November!
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brainfix
Joined: 04 Jun 2006, 00:10

02 Nov 2017, 22:49 #2182

Oh BI, don't expect any T-rumpers to see the light any time soon. It's like when you buy a car that turns out to be a lemon - you don't say a thing about it to preserve some sense of personal dignity when you could have been proactive and gotten what you paid for. So admitting to themselves that Trump is unfit to serve as POTUS in many ways, doesn't mean they will suddenly jump ship and demand his ouster. This country's deep political divisions and perpetual difficulty with issues like guns, race, gender, equal pay for equal work, defense spending, education, corporate accountability and far more means assholes like Trump and his ilk will continue to hoodwink voters and run amok.

This latest tax plan resurrects all kinds of discredited theories about how to stimulate an economy, but Republicans love to beat dead horses expecting some sort of miraculous transformation. Republican Gov. Brownback brought Kansas back into a deep deficit with his "brilliant" tax plan, but still insists he was on the right track. Voters who endorse such fools should be ashamed of themselves, but they'll never admit they made a huge mistake voting for the schmuck...
"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." - Christopher Hitchens
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

02 Nov 2017, 23:07 #2183

brainfix wrote: Oh BI, don't expect any T-rumpers to see the light any time soon. It's like when you buy a car that turns out to be a lemon - you don't say a thing about it to preserve some sense of personal dignity when you could have been proactive and gotten what you paid for. So admitting to themselves that Trump is unfit to serve as POTUS in many ways, doesn't mean they will suddenly jump ship and demand his ouster. This country's deep political divisions and perpetual difficulty with issues like guns, race, gender, equal pay for equal work, defense spending, education, corporate accountability and far more means assholes like Trump and his ilk will continue to hoodwink voters and run amok.

This latest tax plan resurrects all kinds of discredited theories about how to stimulate an economy, but Republicans love to beat dead horses expecting some sort of miraculous transformation. Republican Gov. Brownback brought Kansas back into a deep deficit with his "brilliant" tax plan, but still insists he was on the right track. Voters who endorse such fools should be ashamed of themselves, but they'll never admit they made a huge mistake voting for the schmuck...
I call it "Tooth-Fairy Economics". "Easter-Bunny Economics" works as well. People who insist on believing in the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny don't welcome reality. 

GHW Bush, before he went over to the economic dark side, called it "Voodoo Economics."
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Karly
Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

02 Nov 2017, 23:19 #2184

I have some respect for the people who voted for Trump and have said that it was a horrible mistake. I have at least as much respect for the (not enough) establishment Democrats who have said they understand now that Bernie was the candidate who would have been President and they made a miscalculation.  I am worried for the future but happy to be moving to a state where at least the Democrats are progressive.
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brainfix
Joined: 04 Jun 2006, 00:10

02 Nov 2017, 23:33 #2185

That last statement brought me back to a study that contrasted Dem and Repub brains and how they perceive reality. Repubs are security-oriented, appreciate traditions and desire the status quo. Dems embrace uncertainty, appreciate and encourage individuality, desire positive change and dance way better!!
"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." - Christopher Hitchens
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Karly
Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

02 Nov 2017, 23:43 #2186

Might be true. I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican.  I think I appreciate traditions, encourage individually,  probably don't dance that well but definitely desire positive change. No wonder I am not enrolled in a party!
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

03 Nov 2017, 02:56 #2187

Karly wrote: I have some respect for the people who voted for Trump and have said that it was a horrible mistake. I have at least as much respect for the (not enough) establishment Democrats who have said they understand now that Bernie was the candidate who would have been President and they made a miscalculation.  I am worried for the future but happy to be moving to a state where at least the Democrats are progressive.
I just received this email from Tulsi Gabbard regarding the rigged 2016 primary.

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From Gabbard:
"We just heard from Donna Brazile today about how the DNC had already chosen its nominee over a year before the primary election had even occurred. After my call for more primary debates was summarily dismissed, I was disinvited from the first debate. I resigned as DNC Vice Chair shortly after in order to endorse Bernie Sanders. I stepped down because, unlike some, I believed in upholding the integrity and unbiased approach that is supposed to exist within the DNC. Clearly, some in the DNC thought otherwise."

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it was also about the petition to gather signatures to revamp the DNC. I already posted the link under "politics.
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Karly
Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

03 Nov 2017, 07:59 #2188

Leland, there is an interesting article in the New Yorker on Tulsi just now.  She has had an interesting evolution in her views over time...some of it was pretty surprising...she held some very conservative views about social issues in her pre-war days.  

In fairness, we have two great Senators here in Mass.  Our Congressman is very good on some issues but I'd like to see him support single payer health.  
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

03 Nov 2017, 10:09 #2189

When Tulsi was in her late teens she followed her fathers devotion to HIS religion and what he worshiped.  That has evolved and now she is very happy to be devoted to Hinduism.

Gee, I wonder if it's possible to get on a list to subscribe to what's going on with Bernie's single payer health care bill.

Recently. I saw a bill for a five week hospitalization for $570,000 to Medicare and under a thousand to the patient.  

About $16,000 a day.

A doctor admitted mistakes during the hospitalization but malpractice will not be pursued.  The patient didn't make it.

Can you imagine going to a restaurant without prices on the menu?  Then the check arrives at the table for $16,229,34!

That's even how costs at doctor visits go .. Who knows.

Medicare sends me a regular statement afterwards (as the doctor does) but I usually don't check it much because it's not a whole lot.  If the doctor's and Medicare ststements were emailed that would be easier to track

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battlingignorance
Joined: 01 Sep 2012, 12:06

03 Nov 2017, 14:19 #2190

So - get this....With their new bill that would slash taxes on the wealthy and blow up the federal budget deficit, House Republicans and President Trump are making it absolutely clear whom they are working for - (the top 1%), and whom they consider dispensable (pretty much everybody else).
The bill, unveiled on Thursday after weeks of back-room negotiations that only Republicans were privy to, contained multi-billion dollar gifts for corporations, Wall Street titans, and rich families. While there are a few peanuts thrown at lower-income and middle-class families, many people of modest means who take advantage of deductions and credits for things like housing, state and local taxes, medical expenses and education costs could most likely end up paying more in taxes.
At the same time, the bill would add $1.51 trillion to the federal debt over the next decade. In coming years, Republicans will surely point to that inflated debt to argue that it is imperative that Congress slash spending on infrastructure, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

How about all that winning?  Turds.  Utter hypocrisy....it is ALWAYS Republicans who increase the federal debt, and take shit away from working people.
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NightStalker
Joined: 15 Apr 2006, 05:02

03 Nov 2017, 14:48 #2191

It will be interesting to see how the national statewide elections turn out in November of 2018.   what kind of message the people will send.
You think you know it, but you haven't got a clue!!
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

03 Nov 2017, 23:22 #2192

In case you haven't seen this yet:

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brainfix
Joined: 04 Jun 2006, 00:10

04 Nov 2017, 00:53 #2193

What was that funny farm song from the 60's?? They're coming to take me away, ha ha. Not in reaction to the previous post, but marveling at how very relaxed the vibes seem tonight.
"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." - Christopher Hitchens
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

04 Nov 2017, 01:01 #2194

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brainfix
Joined: 04 Jun 2006, 00:10

04 Nov 2017, 01:52 #2195

We lived right on Hale Street in Prides Crossing in the late 60's. Across the street from the Loring Estate. But strictly pedestrian, financially speaking. Relatives always kept us afloat.
"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." - Christopher Hitchens
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stanb
Joined: 02 Jul 2008, 13:31

04 Nov 2017, 10:32 #2196

battlingignorance wrote: So - get this....With their new bill that would slash taxes on the wealthy and blow up the federal budget deficit, House Republicans and President Trump are making it absolutely clear whom they are working for - (the top 1%), and whom they consider dispensable (pretty much everybody else).
The bill, unveiled on Thursday after weeks of back-room negotiations that only Republicans were privy to, contained multi-billion dollar gifts for corporations, Wall Street titans, and rich families. While there are a few peanuts thrown at lower-income and middle-class families, many people of modest means who take advantage of deductions and credits for things like housing, state and local taxes, medical expenses and education costs could most likely end up paying more in taxes.
At the same time, the bill would add $1.51 trillion to the federal debt over the next decade. In coming years, Republicans will surely point to that inflated debt to argue that it is imperative that Congress slash spending on infrastructure, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

How about all that winning?  Turds.  Utter hypocrisy....it is ALWAYS Republicans who increase the federal debt, and take shit away from working people.
Too bad the Clintons threw Bernie under the bus and now we have a potential mad man at the helm. This is the fault of the DNC.  Even Clinton's buddy the fake Indian finally admitted yesterday that the Clintons rigged the election.  The left is just as corrupt as the right  and the entire system needs a good flush.

On a positive note, you have got to love the 20% 401k increase this year. For the first time in 15 years the company I work for is hiring young Americans and bringing the  jobs back from the  "low cost" Countries. 
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

04 Nov 2017, 11:28 #2197

No, the morons who were stupid enough to vote for this asshole are the ones who are to blame. 
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

04 Nov 2017, 12:40 #2198

Karly wrote: Leland, there is an interesting article in the New Yorker on Tulsi just now.  She has had an interesting evolution in her views over time...some of it was pretty surprising...she held some very conservative views about social issues in her pre-war days.  

In fairness, we have two great Senators here in Mass.  Our Congressman is very good on some issues but I'd like to see him support single payer health.  
The New Yorker in/depth article didn't go into her spirituality in her teen years but she was far less distant than in past to allow the article's author to discuss the guru/mentor Chris Butler and his influence past and present. Krishna (not the classic airport type) vs. Hinduism.

Her view on "know your enemy" and the bill in congress she authored, is against THEE major military industrial complex BUT who knows Tulsi could make something happen that redirects the defense dollars towards education, healthcare and infrastructure to name a few -,EVEN WITHOUT the bill's passage.


Thanks for the good read Karly -  there was a lot to it and yeah she was in Iowa last month "Vision 20/20"? ... my words.
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brainfix
Joined: 04 Jun 2006, 00:10

05 Nov 2017, 03:05 #2199

Last time Trump hit Japan, he couldn't handle Japanese cuisine and sought McDonald's instead. The fucking McDonald.
"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." - Christopher Hitchens
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brainfix
Joined: 04 Jun 2006, 00:10

05 Nov 2017, 03:47 #2200

Blowhard! The Bush boys spoke and the WH tried to do damage control. Too damned funny! They fear the GOP is crumbling...
"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." - Christopher Hitchens
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