The NRA is full of crap

The NRA is full of crap

Joined: June 3rd, 2006, 8:10 pm

March 24th, 2018, 5:31 pm #1

We already knew that, but their response to hundreds of thousands of young student protestors speaks volumes on how misinformed, tone-deaf and dangerous the NRA is and always has been. Yes, we have a Second Amendment and it protects law-abiding gun owners, but the NRA thinks it has a patent on it and screams about any infringement on their right to kill anything that moves.

They went after March For Our Lives and said "violent radicals" were in charge of the effort to bring awareness to gun control.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... h-our-liv/

Which turns out to be utter horseshit, as usual. It is richly ironic that the NRA is calling out "violent radicals" when their violent radicalism has spawned so many needless deaths and copycat killers.
"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." - Christopher Hitchens
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Joined: January 9th, 2008, 8:26 pm

March 24th, 2018, 6:12 pm #2

You must be talking about the anti-gun march today
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March 24th, 2018, 6:50 pm #3

brainfix wrote: We already knew that, but their response to hundreds of thousands of young student protestors speaks volumes on how misinformed, tone-deaf and dangerous the NRA is and always has been. Yes, we have a Second Amendment and it protects law-abiding gun owners, but the NRA thinks it has a patent on it and screams about any infringement on their right to kill anything that moves.

They went after March For Our Lives and said "violent radicals" were in charge of the effort to bring awareness to gun control.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... h-our-liv/

Which turns out to be utter horseshit, as usual. It is richly ironic that the NRA is calling out "violent radicals" when their violent radicalism has spawned so many needless deaths and copycat killers.
The NRA is a terrorist organization and should be banned. 
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March 24th, 2018, 6:54 pm #4

The NRA response to the march is appalling. It's no wonder they need to overwhelm politicians with $$$$ millions to make the 2nd Amendment their own.

(CNN)To hear the National Rifle Association tell it, Saturday's March for Our Lives was orchestrated by billionaires and Hollywood to push an anti-gun agenda.
On Facebook Saturday morning, the NRA posted a short membership-drive video along with a brief message.
"Stand and Fight for our Kids' Safety by Joining NRA," it said. "Today's protests aren't spontaneous. Gun-hating billionaires and Hollywood elites are manipulating and exploiting children as part of their plan to DESTROY the Second Amendment and strip us of our right to defend ourselves and our loved ones."
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March 24th, 2018, 7:13 pm #5

Fortune Cookie wrote:
brainfix wrote: We already knew that, but their response to hundreds of thousands of young student protestors speaks volumes on how misinformed, tone-deaf and dangerous the NRA is and always has been. Yes, we have a Second Amendment and it protects law-abiding gun owners, but the NRA thinks it has a patent on it and screams about any infringement on their right to kill anything that moves.

They went after March For Our Lives and said "violent radicals" were in charge of the effort to bring awareness to gun control.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... h-our-liv/

Which turns out to be utter horseshit, as usual. It is richly ironic that the NRA is calling out "violent radicals" when their violent radicalism has spawned so many needless deaths and copycat killers.
The NRA is a terrorist organization and should be banned. 
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March 24th, 2018, 7:20 pm #6

tyu12 wrote: You must be talking about the anti-gun march today
No, Dipshit - specifically, the "Anti Gun Violence" March.
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March 24th, 2018, 8:01 pm #7

“To all the kids from Parkland getting ready to use your First Amendment to attack everyone else’s Second Amendment at your march on Saturday, I wish a hero like Blaine Gaskill had been at Marjory Douglas High School last month because your classmates would still be alive and no one would know your names, because the media would have completely and utterly ignored your story, the way they ignored his.”
—- Colion Noir, host on NRATV
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March 24th, 2018, 8:21 pm #8

tyu12 wrote: You must be talking about the anti-gun march today
Define anti-gun, please.   (I'll keep asking until you do.)

Perhaps  you are paying attention to Marco Rubio, who has it wrong about a gun ban.  The movement is not looking to ban guns but apparently Rubio feels a $3,303,355 need to feed the NRA's agenda.

Rubio Statement on Today's Marches

MAR 24 2018

Miami, FL- U.S. Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) issued the following statement regarding today’s March for Our Lives protests throughout the nation:

“I commend those who today are peacefully exercising their First Amendment rights to march in favor of a gun ban. While I do not agree with all of the solutions they propose, I respect their views and recognize that many Americans support certain gun bans. However, many other Americans do not support a gun ban. They too want to prevent mass shootings, but view banning guns as an infringement on the Second Amendment rights of law abiding citizens that ultimately will not prevent these tragedies.

“While protests are a legitimate way of making a point, in our system of government, making a change requires finding common ground with those who hold opposing views. Common ground is how we were able to achieve the STOP School Violence Act, improvements to our background check system, propelling CDC studies on gun violence and now, a ban on bump stocks. And finding common ground is what it will take to pass our red flag law so we can take guns away from dangerous people.”

https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/ind ... E86EF5E695

Cameron Kasky, a key student leader in the movement, totally owned Rubio in the February Town Hall and I have a feeling that he will continue to own him.

BTW, this from Kasky in the 60 minutes segment:

Cameron Kasky: I feel safe because my father has a gun in the house that he can use to protect our family. My family lives on the principle that there are some guns that are made to protect your family from anyone who might come in and try to hurt them, and there are some guns that are made for war.
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March 24th, 2018, 8:35 pm #9

Paul McCartney marching in NYC today steps from where John Lennon was shot... (photo Huff Post)
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March 24th, 2018, 8:44 pm #10

I have never owned and/or fired a gun. Just BB's as a kid. My parents both had pacifist leanings. Guns were rarely a topic in our household. They didn't exist for us.
"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." - Christopher Hitchens
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March 24th, 2018, 8:45 pm #11

sugarmagnolia wrote: “To all the kids from Parkland getting ready to use your First Amendment to attack everyone else’s Second Amendment at your march on Saturday, I wish a hero like Blaine Gaskill had been at Marjory Douglas High School last month because your classmates would still be alive and no one would know your names, because the media would have completely and utterly ignored your story, the way they ignored his.”
—- Colion Noir, host on NRATV
To Mr. Noir:  who exactly ignored Blaine Gaskill's bravery?   It was a news headline everywhere.  I think the silence is, oddly, from the politicians.  No praise from the President or other political leaders that I know of.  Then again, it was a pretty busy week for them all.
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March 24th, 2018, 9:04 pm #12

brainfix wrote: I have never owned and/or fired a gun. Just BB's as a kid. My parents both had pacifist leanings. Guns were rarely a topic in our household. They didn't exist for us.
Neither have I.  Guns are now a thing that weren't a thing for our generation.  I grew up in Boston in some pretty violent, racially charged times.  The only time that I remember gun incidents being reported in the news concerned mafia hits which was kind of a non-news thing (we had Whitey).  I never felt a fear of dying from a bullet like these kids feel today.
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March 24th, 2018, 9:12 pm #13

brainfix wrote: I have never owned and/or fired a gun. Just BB's as a kid. My parents both had pacifist leanings. Guns were rarely a topic in our household. They didn't exist for us.
The first person I remember dying was a teenage son of one of my dad's best friends.  Gun.  I was a kid and I remember lying in bed crying when my parents told me.  We never had guns and my dad never hunted though many of his friends did.
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March 24th, 2018, 10:26 pm #14

I would have a lot more respect for those who blather on about the rights given by the 2nd amendment if they also talk as much about the responsibility of gun ownership.  We don’t hear talk about keeping your guns stored in locked gun safes, keeping guns and ammunitions stored separately, educating children never to touch a gun without an adult present, or making sure that one’s weaponry is always accounted for at all times.  

I also believe that no right is absolute.  When the rights of others conflict with an individual, there has to be some compromise, regulation or restriction, especially when safety is concern.  Otherwise civil society is not possible.

My suspicion is that the founding fathers are rolling in their graves when all this talk about the 2nd amendment fills the air. They never envisioned children being mass murdered in their classrooms as a consequence of that amendment. The fact is they understood that if the Constitution was to stand the test of time it must be adapted as the country grew and changed.
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March 25th, 2018, 4:14 am #15

The meaning of the Second Amendment has indeed been adapted. Perhaps truncated is a better way of looking at it because the present Supreme Curt ignores the first phrase.
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
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March 25th, 2018, 8:29 am #16

sugarmagnolia wrote: “To all the kids from Parkland getting ready to use your First Amendment to attack everyone else’s Second Amendment at your march on Saturday, I wish a hero like Blaine Gaskill had been at Marjory Douglas High School last month because your classmates would still be alive and no one would know your names, because the media would have completely and utterly ignored your story, the way they ignored his.”
—- Colion Noir, host on NRATV
NRATV - televisual porn for turds.
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March 25th, 2018, 10:59 am #17

sugarmagnolia wrote: I would have a lot more respect for those who blather on about the rights given by the 2nd amendment if they also talk as much about the responsibility of gun ownership.  We don’t hear talk about keeping your guns stored in locked gun safes, keeping guns and ammunitions stored separately, educating children never to touch a gun without an adult present, or making sure that one’s weaponry is always accounted for at all times.  

I also believe that no right is absolute.  When the rights of others conflict with an individual, there has to be some compromise, regulation or restriction, especially when safety is concern.  Otherwise civil society is not possible.

My suspicion is that the founding fathers are rolling in their graves when all this talk about the 2nd amendment fills the air.  They never envisioned children being mass murdered in their classrooms as a consequence of that amendment.  The fact is they understood that if the Constitution was to stand the test of time it must be adapted as the country grew and changed.
The founding fathers intended guns to be kept in an ARMORY all the time except when men were called to arm themselves and then they went to the armory and picked them up. That was the intent of the 2nd. amendment.

The NRA is now a virulent festering carbuncle but if you read their history they were for gun control and against machine guns for part of their history. It is ironic and unfortunate that they have been so radicalized and controlled by extremist crackpots. 

NPR has a good history of their once gun control positions:
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/10/55657859 ... strictions
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March 25th, 2018, 10:29 pm #18

And here’s a helpful hint to the terrific young people  advocating reducing gun violence from Rick Santorum:
“How about kids, instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about maybe taking CPR classes or trying to deal with situations [so] that when there is a violent shooter, that you can actually respond to that?“
Yeah, kids, stop all that fooling around with marches and stuff, and make yourself useful.  Christ, the least you can do is learn to stop someone from bleeding out in front of you. Now stop pestering adults with all your noisy protest and get back to cowering in your classrooms where you belong.
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March 25th, 2018, 10:42 pm #19

sugarmagnolia wrote: And here’s a helpful hint to the terrific young people  advocating reducing gun violence from Rick Santorum:
“How about kids, instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about maybe taking CPR classes or trying to deal with situations [so] that when there is a violent shooter, that you can actually respond to that?“
Yeah, kids, stop all that fooling around with marches and stuff, and make yourself useful.  Christ, the least you can do is learn to stop someone from bleeding out in front of you. Now stop pestering adults with all your noisy protest and get back to cowering in your classrooms where you belong.
SANTORUM IS THE EPITOME OF AN UTTERLY USELESS, CRAVEN, IGNORANT COCKSUCKER. FUCK HIM.
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March 26th, 2018, 8:52 am #20

William  -- I'm not sure about an armory.  But when the founding fathers were wording that amendment when there was no real standing federal troops  --- indeed, the role of the federal government was not very robust, or even firm in the minds of most of them.  They wanted to protect states' rights to form militias, to guard and protect citizens from foreign invaders, like the British or the French, or Native Americans.  They didn't trust that Americans in other states would come to defend them, or that they could get there in time.  This has somehow morphed into an individual right.  But even if you regard it as an individual right, that right is not unlimited and that guns and gun ownership can continue to be regulated.
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