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April 12th, 2018, 10:43 am #201

tyu...what I am serious about is gun safety legislation, which mostly doesn't involve "taking" guns...though I would not be opposed to having guns removed from some people if they are a clear danger to themselves or others at the time. (ERPO deadline coming up in Mass.)
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April 12th, 2018, 12:29 pm #202

tyu12 wrote:
Karly wrote: I go back and forth on it, BI.  Tyu...serious or trolling us.  Do you know something I don't...because mostly I land on he/she is serious.  
Don't you think I am serious when I say law abiding citizens should not lose
their guns because of a couple of nuts and a few shootings? I am very serious about that, as I believe that you are serious about taking guns
"Law abiding" citizens sacrifice total anything goes freedom for the sake of living in a safe, sound society as a whole.  Sorry, can't weep over you not able to own a AR-15 or large round magazine so that I can go to the mall or a movie theater or send my children to school without worrying about those "couple of nuts."  And a majority of Americans feel that way.
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April 12th, 2018, 1:41 pm #203

sugarmagnolia wrote:
tyu12 wrote:
Karly wrote: I go back and forth on it, BI.  Tyu...serious or trolling us.  Do you know something I don't...because mostly I land on he/she is serious.  
Don't you think I am serious when I say law abiding citizens should not lose
their guns because of a couple of nuts and a few shootings? I am very serious about that, as I believe that you are serious about taking guns
"Law abiding" citizens sacrifice total anything goes freedom for the sake of living in a safe, sound society as a whole.  Sorry, can't weep over you not able to own a AR-15 or large round magazine so that I can go to the mall or a movie theater or send my children to school without worrying about those "couple of nuts."  And a majority of Americans feel that way.
The chances of you or a loved one being caught up in a mass shooting is slim to none, so you really shouldn't worry. I'd be more worried about car accidents or being struck by lightning.
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April 12th, 2018, 2:26 pm #204

I am not talking about just myself personally, just as tyu12 is not just talking about personal ownership. The ownership of military like weapons is a small percentage of overall gun ownership. The risk of a mass murder incident is a very small, but it has larger and longer repercussions than just the incident itself. We are weighing the costs of the restriction in gun ownership to the costs of repeated mass murder incidents on the society as a whole.
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April 12th, 2018, 2:31 pm #205

gator wrote:
sugarmagnolia wrote:
tyu12 wrote:
Karly wrote: I go back and forth on it, BI.  Tyu...serious or trolling us.  Do you know something I don't...because mostly I land on he/she is serious.  
Don't you think I am serious when I say law abiding citizens should not lose
their guns because of a couple of nuts and a few shootings? I am very serious about that, as I believe that you are serious about taking guns
"Law abiding" citizens sacrifice total anything goes freedom for the sake of living in a safe, sound society as a whole.  Sorry, can't weep over you not able to own a AR-15 or large round magazine so that I can go to the mall or a movie theater or send my children to school without worrying about those "couple of nuts."  And a majority of Americans feel that way.
The chances of you or a loved one being caught up in a mass shooting is slim to none, so you really shouldn't worry. I'd be more worried about car accidents or being struck by lightning.
"Mass" shootings are less the issue than any damn shooting, or threat of shooting - please don't deflect from legitimate fears that many people have.

As for "losing guns"...pfft - another silly deflection. There will never be a ban on all firearms. And I am serious about that. As for the absurd "law abiding citizens" bit...how many killers were "law abiding" - until they shot or killed someone?  Try again.
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April 12th, 2018, 3:08 pm #206

battlingignorance wrote:
gator wrote:
sugarmagnolia wrote:
tyu12 wrote:
Karly wrote: I go back and forth on it, BI.  Tyu...serious or trolling us.  Do you know something I don't...because mostly I land on he/she is serious.  
Don't you think I am serious when I say law abiding citizens should not lose
their guns because of a couple of nuts and a few shootings? I am very serious about that, as I believe that you are serious about taking guns
"Law abiding" citizens sacrifice total anything goes freedom for the sake of living in a safe, sound society as a whole.  Sorry, can't weep over you not able to own a AR-15 or large round magazine so that I can go to the mall or a movie theater or send my children to school without worrying about those "couple of nuts."  And a majority of Americans feel that way.
The chances of you or a loved one being caught up in a mass shooting is slim to none, so you really shouldn't worry. I'd be more worried about car accidents or being struck by lightning.
"Mass" shootings are less the issue than any damn shooting, or threat of shooting - please don't deflect from legitimate fears that many people have.

As for "losing guns"...pfft - another silly deflection. There will never be a ban on all firearms. And I am serious about that. As for the absurd "law abiding citizens" bit...how many killers were "law abiding" - until they shot or killed someone?  Try again.
Maybe I am listing to different people but I have heard some people even people on this board that they are for taking away what they consider military-style weapons. I have not seen the bill that Karly is talking about the (ERPO) but I hope that is something that will be looked into on a case to case basis there are so many restraining orders out there that people have just made up things to get one and they are pretty much rubber stamped. I also hope that if they do take guns away on that bill it will be because of an actual vicious assault  and not a made up "oh he pushed me" type of deal.
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April 12th, 2018, 3:22 pm #207

battlingignorance wrote:
gator wrote:
sugarmagnolia wrote:
tyu12 wrote:
Karly wrote: I go back and forth on it, BI.  Tyu...serious or trolling us.  Do you know something I don't...because mostly I land on he/she is serious.  
Don't you think I am serious when I say law abiding citizens should not lose
their guns because of a couple of nuts and a few shootings? I am very serious about that, as I believe that you are serious about taking guns
"Law abiding" citizens sacrifice total anything goes freedom for the sake of living in a safe, sound society as a whole.  Sorry, can't weep over you not able to own a AR-15 or large round magazine so that I can go to the mall or a movie theater or send my children to school without worrying about those "couple of nuts."  And a majority of Americans feel that way.
The chances of you or a loved one being caught up in a mass shooting is slim to none, so you really shouldn't worry. I'd be more worried about car accidents or being struck by lightning.
"Mass" shootings are less the issue than any damn shooting, or threat of shooting - please don't deflect from legitimate fears that many people
Ok. Then statistically, the high majority of those shootings are committed with handguns, not semi auto rifles.
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April 12th, 2018, 6:11 pm #208

gator wrote:
sugarmagnolia wrote:
tyu12 wrote:
Karly wrote: I go back and forth on it, BI.  Tyu...serious or trolling us.  Do you know something I don't...because mostly I land on he/she is serious.  
Don't you think I am serious when I say law abiding citizens should not lose
their guns because of a couple of nuts and a few shootings? I am very serious about that, as I believe that you are serious about taking guns
"Law abiding" citizens sacrifice total anything goes freedom for the sake of living in a safe, sound society as a whole.  Sorry, can't weep over you not able to own a AR-15 or large round magazine so that I can go to the mall or a movie theater or send my children to school without worrying about those "couple of nuts."  And a majority of Americans feel that way.
The chances of you or a loved one being caught up in a mass shooting is slim to none, so you really shouldn't worry. I'd be more worried about car accidents or being struck by lightning.
The chances of being caught in a mass shooting are much larger in the USA than any other developed country
The chances of being caught in a not mass shooting are much larger in the USA than any other developed country

Either we make it too easy to own guns or we are dumber than the people in all other developed counties

Either way, there is no argument against rational gun control

Either you break with the gun manufacturers lobby AKA  the NRA and be part of the solution, or risk being left out of the conversation

Do you see a rational future with higher density population with a higher density of guns?

That is sheer lunacy

Go ahead, push an ignorant NRA agenda, and you will lose in the end
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April 12th, 2018, 8:45 pm #209

I agree with enhanced gun control, just not banning so called "assault rifles." Most mass shooters have exhibiting warning signs and it usually turns out that they are touched in the head. I'd like to see more focus on keeping guns out of the hands of certain people, instead of outright banning them.

Are we dumber than other people in other developed nations? Maybe. We also prescribe more Psychiatric Meds than any other country, to many who don't even need them. I'm not stigmatizing people who take them either, but there is no arguing they can make people do things that they wouldn't normally do. It's all on the warning label. This issue goes all the way back to Columbine with Eric Harris. Ignoring this would be irresponsible, yet most people want a quick fix by banning certain guns.

Say what you want about the NRA, but I believe the 2nd Amendment would have been gutted a long time ago without them. I know I've said I don't care for them in the past, but I signed up for a one year membership ($30) this week as a sort of protest. I'm not alone either, membership has been soaring lately.
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April 12th, 2018, 9:08 pm #210

tyu12 wrote:
battlingignorance wrote:
gator wrote:
sugarmagnolia wrote:
tyu12 wrote:

Don't you think I am serious when I say law abiding citizens should not lose
their guns because of a couple of nuts and a few shootings? I am very serious about that, as I believe that you are serious about taking guns
"Law abiding" citizens sacrifice total anything goes freedom for the sake of living in a safe, sound society as a whole.  Sorry, can't weep over you not able to own a AR-15 or large round magazine so that I can go to the mall or a movie theater or send my children to school without worrying about those "couple of nuts."  And a majority of Americans feel that way.
The chances of you or a loved one being caught up in a mass shooting is slim to none, so you really shouldn't worry. I'd be more worried about car accidents or being struck by lightning.
"Mass" shootings are less the issue than any damn shooting, or threat of shooting - please don't deflect from legitimate fears that many people have.

As for "losing guns"...pfft - another silly deflection. There will never be a ban on all firearms. And I am serious about that. As for the absurd "law abiding citizens" bit...how many killers were "law abiding" - until they shot or killed someone?  Try again.
Maybe I am listing to different people but I have heard some people even people on this board that they are for taking away what they consider military-style weapons. I have not seen the bill that Karly is talking about the (ERPO) but I hope that is something that will be looked into on a case to case basis there are so many restraining orders out there that people have just made up things to get one and they are pretty much rubber stamped. I also hope that if they do take guns away on that bill it will be because of an actual vicious assault  and not a made up "oh he pushed me" type of deal.
If you haven't seen ERPO (Extreme Risk Protection Order) it is because you haven't wanted to. I've posted about it with more user friendly links before and but here is a link if you prefer the raw bill...click on View Text...no excuses.

https://malegislature.gov/Bills/190/H3610
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April 12th, 2018, 9:38 pm #211

Karly wrote:
tyu12 wrote:
battlingignorance wrote:
gator wrote:
sugarmagnolia wrote:

"Law abiding" citizens sacrifice total anything goes freedom for the sake of living in a safe, sound society as a whole.  Sorry, can't weep over you not able to own a AR-15 or large round magazine so that I can go to the mall or a movie theater or send my children to school without worrying about those "couple of nuts."  And a majority of Americans feel that way.
The chances of you or a loved one being caught up in a mass shooting is slim to none, so you really shouldn't worry. I'd be more worried about car accidents or being struck by lightning.
"Mass" shootings are less the issue than any damn shooting, or threat of shooting - please don't deflect from legitimate fears that many people have.

As for "losing guns"...pfft - another silly deflection. There will never be a ban on all firearms. And I am serious about that. As for the absurd "law abiding citizens" bit...how many killers were "law abiding" - until they shot or killed someone?  Try again.
Maybe I am listing to different people but I have heard some people even people on this board that they are for taking away what they consider military-style weapons. I have not seen the bill that Karly is talking about the (ERPO) but I hope that is something that will be looked into on a case to case basis there are so many restraining orders out there that people have just made up things to get one and they are pretty much rubber stamped. I also hope that if they do take guns away on that bill it will be because of an actual vicious assault  and not a made up "oh he pushed me" type of deal.
If you haven't seen ERPO (Extreme Risk Protection Order) it is because you haven't wanted to. I've posted about it with more user friendly links before and but here is a link if you prefer the raw bill...click on View Text...no excuses.

https://malegislature.gov/Bills/190/H3610
did not mean to upset you just that I have not bothered to look it up. this is mass it will probably pass
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April 12th, 2018, 9:43 pm #212

Oh tyu...I do not think it is possible for you to upset me. I just do not understand your lack of curiosity about important information like the Housing Production Plan and ERPO. We are all just wired differently I guess. Maybe I should short-circuit mine for awhile.
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April 12th, 2018, 11:08 pm #213

Karly wrote: Oh tyu...I do not think it is possible for you to upset me.  I just do not understand your lack of curiosity about important information like the Housing Production Plan and ERPO.  We are all just wired differently I guess.  Maybe I should short-circuit mine for awhile.
I guess we just have different interest. we seem to mostly to be on opposite sides of issues you want a lot more people to move into the city I would like to see less you want to take guns away. I don't want to see that I have no problem with background checks and mentally ill people having guns I think we agree on that. You also have no problem with the schools spending like money grows on trees I would like someone put a stop to the reckless spending.
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April 13th, 2018, 11:06 am #214

gator wrote: I agree with enhanced gun control, just not banning so called "assault rifles." Most mass shooters have exhibiting warning signs and it usually turns out that they are touched in the head. I'd like to see more focus on keeping guns out of the hands of certain people, instead of outright banning them.

Are we dumber than other people in other developed nations? Maybe. We also prescribe more Psychiatric Meds than any other country, to many who don't even need them. I'm not stigmatizing people who take them either, but there is no arguing they can make people do things that they wouldn't normally do. It's all on the warning label. This issue goes all the way back to Columbine with Eric Harris. Ignoring this would be irresponsible, yet most people want a quick fix by banning certain guns.

Say what you want about the NRA, but I believe the 2nd Amendment would have been gutted a long time ago without them. I know I've said I don't care for them in the past, but I signed up for a one year membership ($30) this week as a sort of protest. I'm not alone either, membership has been soaring lately.
1. Nobody who thinks rationally is after a "quick fix". again - ignore the ranting extremists (on both sides, please) and concentrate on the vast majority in the middle...who want what you term, "enhanced" gun control. Yup - with you there; and realistic gun control, too - which means Federal control rather than a mish-mash of impossible-to-control state laws and regulations.
2. There is no unimpeachable evidence of NRA membership "soaring" - we certainly cannot trust what the NRA claims (as they do not release their finances or tax returns, nothing can be verified); Google searches did see something like an 80% increase in searches for How to join the NRA, but searches do not translate to actual new memberships.
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April 13th, 2018, 5:37 pm #215

battlingignorance wrote:
gator wrote: I agree with enhanced gun control, just not banning so called "assault rifles." Most mass shooters have exhibiting warning signs and it usually turns out that they are touched in the head. I'd like to see more focus on keeping guns out of the hands of certain people, instead of outright banning them.

Are we dumber than other people in other developed nations? Maybe. We also prescribe more Psychiatric Meds than any other country, to many who don't even need them. I'm not stigmatizing people who take them either, but there is no arguing they can make people do things that they wouldn't normally do. It's all on the warning label. This issue goes all the way back to Columbine with Eric Harris. Ignoring this would be irresponsible, yet most people want a quick fix by banning certain guns.

Say what you want about the NRA, but I believe the 2nd Amendment would have been gutted a long time ago without them. I know I've said I don't care for them in the past, but I signed up for a one year membership ($30) this week as a sort of protest. I'm not alone either, membership has been soaring lately.
1. Nobody who thinks rationally is after a "quick fix". again - ignore the ranting extremists (on both sides, please) and concentrate on the vast majority in the middle...who want what you term, "enhanced" gun control. Yup - with you there; and realistic gun control, too - which means Federal control rather than a mish-mash of impossible-to-control state laws and regulations.
2. There is no unimpeachable evidence of NRA membership "soaring" - we certainly cannot trust what the NRA claims (as they do not release their finances or tax returns, nothing can be verified); Google searches did see something like an 80% increase in searches for How to join the NRA, but searches do not translate to actual new memberships.
Membership no longer matters to the NRA

It has been years since they received the majority of their money from dues

They are an industry lobbying group
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April 17th, 2018, 9:53 am #216

gator wrote: I agree with enhanced gun control, just not banning so called "assault rifles." Most mass shooters have exhibiting warning signs and it usually turns out that they are touched in the head. I'd like to see more focus on keeping guns out of the hands of certain people, instead of outright banning them.

Are we dumber than other people in other developed nations? Maybe. We also prescribe more Psychiatric Meds than any other country, to many who don't even need them. I'm not stigmatizing people who take them either, but there is no arguing they can make people do things that they wouldn't normally do. It's all on the warning label. This issue goes all the way back to Columbine with Eric Harris. Ignoring this would be irresponsible, yet most people want a quick fix by banning certain guns.

Say what you want about the NRA, but I believe the 2nd Amendment would have been gutted a long time ago without them. I know I've said I don't care for them in the past, but I signed up for a one year membership ($30) this week as a sort of protest. I'm not alone either, membership has been soaring lately.
I also signed up for a 1-year membership for $40 guess I got a different membership letter it also comes with a magazine subscription and a bag. 
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April 17th, 2018, 10:40 am #217

Body bag?
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
 George Orwell , 1984
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April 17th, 2018, 10:47 am #218

Damon wrote:Body bag?
it would have to be a very small body but I don't plan on killing anything so I guess I won't find out. Maybe the state will change the laws and I can but an AR to put in it to go to the range.
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April 17th, 2018, 11:08 am #219

tyu12 wrote:
I also signed up for a 1-year membership for $40 guess I got a different membership letter it also comes with a magazine subscription and a bag. 
Same membership. I went through a sponsored member on Youtube - hickok45 - and got $10 off. Check him out. He has lots of content you'd probably enjoy.
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April 17th, 2018, 11:14 am #220

I'll stick with the lovely bag I got with my subscription to The New Yorker.  
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