The Anthem Protests

drinkycrow
Joined: 10 May 2007, 13:48

29 Sep 2017, 18:03 #81

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gloman
Joined: 25 Jan 2008, 05:11

29 Sep 2017, 20:17 #82

Here we are going on and on about who stands or kneels for the national anthem and Americans in Porto Rico are starving and dying.
Where the he'll are our priorities.
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wikileaksonweed
Joined: 05 Jul 2017, 16:19

30 Sep 2017, 01:36 #83

gloman wrote: Here we are going on and on about who stands or kneels for the national anthem and Americans in Porto Rico are starving and dying.
Where the hell are our priorities.
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gator
Joined: 27 Apr 2011, 20:12

30 Sep 2017, 02:07 #84

"This is an ISLAND, surrounded by water. Big water. Ocean water."

-Chump
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gloman
Joined: 25 Jan 2008, 05:11

30 Sep 2017, 13:09 #85

Just watched Fixed News.
You would think all is well in PR and Chump is the best!
Disgusting💩
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Damon
Joined: 25 Jun 2007, 22:00

30 Sep 2017, 13:56 #86

This performance has made me very angry.
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
 George Orwell , 1984
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peregrine
Joined: 23 Dec 2007, 03:06

30 Sep 2017, 15:29 #87

Who cares about PR ? They don't vote.  And if they did vote, they'd all vote Democrat anyway.
Also, like the man said, they're in middle of a big ocean, which is their own fault.
And the lady mayor was set up by the Democrats to be nasty at him (or so he just said.)

peregrine
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peregrine
Joined: 23 Dec 2007, 03:06

30 Sep 2017, 15:30 #88

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flounda
Joined: 05 Jan 2008, 05:22

30 Sep 2017, 16:55 #89

peregrine wrote: Who cares about PR ? They don't vote.  And if they did vote, they'd all vote Democrat anyway.
Also, like the man said, they're in middle of a big ocean, which is their own fault.
And the lady mayor was set up by the Democrats to be nasty at him (or so he just said.)

peregrine

Don't forget, that big ocean contains very big water, which adds to the problem.
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Trevor Slattery
Joined: 07 May 2015, 16:18

03 Oct 2017, 03:51 #90

This liberal bullshit has clearly gone too far when Gordie Baird takes a knee while getting a citation from the state via Senator Tarr for reading to children.
WTF?!?!?
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gloman
Joined: 25 Jan 2008, 05:11

03 Oct 2017, 11:28 #91

Trevor Slattery wrote: This liberal bullshit has clearly gone too far when Gordie Baird takes a knee while getting a citation from the state via Senator Tarr for reading to children.
WTF?!?!?
And those talking heads on Fixed Noise saying that this is no time to look at gun control makes sense!
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NightStalker
Joined: 15 Apr 2006, 05:02

03 Oct 2017, 12:08 #92

you can't take away guns people already have.  there are so many of what you say are assault rifles out there you'd blow your mind. changing a law now will do nothing to the millions who already have one and the thousands that will buy one on the black market in the future.
You think you know it, but you haven't got a clue!!
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t
Joined: 11 Aug 2007, 04:04

03 Oct 2017, 12:21 #93

NightStalker wrote: you can't take away guns people already have.  there are so many of what you say are assault rifles out there you'd blow your mind. changing a law now will do nothing to the millions who already have one and the thousands that will buy one on the black market in the future.
Oh it is hopeless so let's not even try

now there's a policy

nothing will work on the first day

what would be nice is to see long term solutions to long term problems

no other industrialized country has the murder rate we do, part of it is the simple efficiency of guns

this guy used a fully automatic weapon to shoot 600 people in a few minutes.

Sensible gun control may have an affect in the long term.

If 50 states set up Massachusetts style gun control, minus worthless assault weapons ban[as effective as a ban on blue guns]  there would be fewer guns in circulation

the reason there  is a 'black market' is over supply
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Trevor Slattery
Joined: 07 May 2015, 16:18

03 Oct 2017, 12:40 #94

How is this at all relevant?
gloman wrote:
Trevor Slattery wrote: This liberal bullshit has clearly gone too far when Gordie Baird takes a knee while getting a citation from the state via Senator Tarr for reading to children.
WTF?!?!?
And those talking heads on Fixed Noise saying that this is no time to look at gun control makes sense!
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

03 Oct 2017, 14:21 #95

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battlingignorance
Joined: 01 Sep 2012, 12:06

03 Oct 2017, 18:30 #96

Trevor Slattery wrote: How is this at all relevant?
gloman wrote:
Trevor Slattery wrote: This liberal bullshit has clearly gone too far when Gordie Baird takes a knee while getting a citation from the state via Senator Tarr for reading to children.
WTF?!?!?
And those talking heads on Fixed Noise saying that this is no time to look at gun control makes sense!
As relevant and making as much sense as your post. (unless you were trying to be funny....one never quite knows.)
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Thong Extractor
Joined: 28 Feb 2008, 22:45

03 Oct 2017, 19:12 #97

President Trump seems to have stirred up a hornet’s nest of opposition with his call for athletes who don’t respect the national anthem to be fired.  Many NFL owners and players who were previously indifferent seem to have rallied to the Colin Kaepernick cause.



Kaepernick, of course, considers his protest to be a cry against slavery and racial oppression, for which he holds America to be the guilty party.  Kaepernick’s allies seem to be standing—or rather kneeling—for the right to protest, in opposition not necessarily to America but certainly to President Trump.
So was Trump’s call to action a mistake?  Trump seems to have acted instinctively, and yet here I propose to show his instincts are right on.  Without drawing on either ideology or history, Trump senses that the Left and the Democrats are pushing a big lie. And he’s right. 

The Democratic Left, symbolized by Kaepernick, seeks to portray themselves in resistance to oppression.  In this view, Trump represents the party of oppression (bad America) and they represent the party of liberation (good America).  Kneeling at games is intended to convey a refusal to go along with American racism and oppression.
Yet historically, this gets things upside down.  Who is the actual party of racism and oppression?  The Democrats.  Who is the actual party that resisted oppression?  The Republicans.
Here are a few unassailable facts to consider:

--While the secession debate was between the North and the South, the slavery debate was between a pro-slavery Democratic Party and an anti-slavery Republican Party.
--Two of the three Democrats that Lincoln identified as the champions of slavery—Stephen Douglas and James Buchanan—were Northerners.  Only one, Roger Taney, was a Southerner.
--Even after Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, the Democratic platform in 1864 sought a treaty with the Confederacy that would most likely involve a restoration of slavery.
--After the Civil War, the Democrats overwhelmingly opposed the Thirteenth Amendment freeing the slaves, the Fourteenth Amendment granting equal rights under law, and the Fifteenth Amendment giving blacks the right to vote.
--Jim Crow is entirely a legacy of the Democratic Party.  Every segregation law enacted in the South was passed by a Democratic legislature, signed by a Democratic governor, and enforced by Democratic officials.
--After Republicans shut it down in the late nineteenth century, the Ku Klux Klan was revived in the early twentieth century by a progressive Democratic president, Woodrow Wilson, who screened a pro-KKK movie in the White House.
--For decades the Klan served, in the words of progressive historian Eric Foner, as “the domestic terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.”  David Duke is an anomaly; virtually every KKK leader for the past 150 years has been a Democrat.
--As historian Ira Katznelson shows, in order to get the New Deal passed, progressive icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt made deals with racist Democrats to block anti-lynching legislation and to exclude African Americans from most New Deal programs.
--More Republicans than Democrats proportionately voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Fair Housing Bill of 1968.  The main opposition to the civil rights movement came not from the GOP but from racist Democrats.
So are Democrats who pull down Confederate statues and protest the national anthem admitting the historical sins of their party?  Are these acts of honest public disclosure and humble contrition?
Not at all.  They are actually part of the Left’s big lie.  The big lie is to take the historical crimes of the Democratic Party and project them onto someone else.  Let’s blame America.  Let’s blame the South.  Let’s blame the white man.  Let’s blame everyone except the people who actually committed those crimes.
The reason for targeting confederate statues is to make the South, not the Democrats, carry the burden for slavery.  The reason for kneeling during the national anthem is to pretend that America, not the Democrats, is responsible for racial oppression.
“America” didn’t do these things.  Some Americans—namely Democrats—carried out that oppression and other Americans—namely Republicans—fought and eventually stopped them. 
Why should the Republican Party, which ended slavery, fought segregation, shut down the Ku Klux Klan, and enabled the Civil Rights Revolution of the 1960s, feel an ounce of guilt for its honorable history? 
The GOP, not the Democrats, are the true resistance to racial oppression.  In 1860, Lincoln defined slavery as “you work, I eat.”  Lincoln called the Republicans the party of opportunity and the Democrats the party of enslavement.  Not much has changed.  The central platform of the Democratic Party today is still, “You work, I eat.”
More adept at throwing a ball than reading a book, Colin Kaepernick may not know any of this.  But the leaders of the Democratic Party certainly do.  So they are using suckers like Kaepernick to pin the racist tail on the Republican elephant instead of where it truly belongs, on the Democratic donkey.
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

03 Oct 2017, 19:27 #98

Are you really stupid enough to buy this same hogwash that's been debunked over and over and over again? (By the way, you left out the requisite reference to Robert Byrd.)

Not only are you a right-wing pussy snowflake -- you're a GULLIBLE (and stupid) right-wing pussy snowflake. 
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

03 Oct 2017, 19:51 #99

Thong Extractor wrote: President Trump seems to have stirred up a hornet’s nest of opposition with his call for athletes who don’t respect the national anthem to be fired.  Many NFL owners and players who were previously indifferent seem to have rallied to the Colin Kaepernick cause.



Kaepernick, of course, considers his protest to be a cry against slavery and racial oppression, for which he holds America to be the guilty party.  Kaepernick’s allies seem to be standing—or rather kneeling—for the right to protest, in opposition not necessarily to America but certainly to President Trump.
So was Trump’s call to action a mistake?  Trump seems to have acted instinctively, and yet here I propose to show his instincts are right on.  Without drawing on either ideology or history, Trump senses that the Left and the Democrats are pushing a big lie. And he’s right. 

The Democratic Left, symbolized by Kaepernick, seeks to portray themselves in resistance to oppression.  In this view, Trump represents the party of oppression (bad America) and they represent the party of liberation (good America).  Kneeling at games is intended to convey a refusal to go along with American racism and oppression.
Yet historically, this gets things upside down.  Who is the actual party of racism and oppression?  The Democrats.  Who is the actual party that resisted oppression?  The Republicans.
Here are a few unassailable facts to consider:

--While the secession debate was between the North and the South, the slavery debate was between a pro-slavery Democratic Party and an anti-slavery Republican Party. (This happened over 150 years ago.)
--Two of the three Democrats that Lincoln identified as the champions of slavery—Stephen Douglas and James Buchanan—were Northerners.  Only one, Roger Taney, was a Southerner. (This happened over 150 years ago.)
--Even after Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, the Democratic platform in 1864 sought a treaty with the Confederacy that would most likely involve a restoration of slavery. (This happened over 150 years ago.)
--After the Civil War, the Democrats overwhelmingly opposed the Thirteenth Amendment freeing the slaves, the Fourteenth Amendment granting equal rights under law, and the Fifteenth Amendment giving blacks the right to vote. (These happened in 1865, 1868, and 1870, respectively.)
--Jim Crow is entirely a legacy of the Democratic Party.  Every segregation law enacted in the South was passed by a Democratic legislature, signed by a Democratic governor, and enforced by Democratic officials. (These laws were mostly passed in the late 19th century -- over 100 years ago. They were enforced only until 1965 - over 50 years ago.)
--After Republicans shut it down in the late nineteenth century, the Ku Klux Klan was revived in the early twentieth century by a progressive Democratic president, Woodrow Wilson, who screened a pro-KKK movie in the White House. (Woodrow WIlson left office in 1921 - that's 96 years ago.)
--For decades the Klan served, in the words of progressive historian Eric Foner, as “the domestic terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.”  David Duke is an anomaly; virtually every KKK leader for the past 150 years has been a Democrat. (The heyday of the KKK was over 100 years ago. The modern KKK is embraced and supported only by Trump and some of his his friends in the Republican Party.)
--As historian Ira Katznelson shows, in order to get the New Deal passed, progressive icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt made deals with racist Democrats to block anti-lynching legislation and to exclude African Americans from most New Deal programs. (This happened over 80 years ago.)
--More Republicans than Democrats proportionately voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Fair Housing Bill of 1968.  The main opposition to the civil rights movement came not from the GOP but from racist Democrats. (This happened over 50 years ago.)

So are Democrats who pull down Confederate statues and protest the national anthem admitting the historical sins of their party?  Are these acts of honest public disclosure and humble contrition?
Not at all.  They are actually part of the Left’s big lie.  The big lie is to take the historical crimes of the Democratic Party and project them onto someone else.  Let’s blame America.  Let’s blame the South.  Let’s blame the white man.  Let’s blame everyone except the people who actually committed those crimes.
The reason for targeting confederate statues is to make the South, not the Democrats, carry the burden for slavery.  The reason for kneeling during the national anthem is to pretend that America, not the Democrats, is responsible for racial oppression.
“America” didn’t do these things.  Some Americans—namely Democrats—carried out that oppression and other Americans—namely Republicans—fought and eventually stopped them. 
Why should the Republican Party, which ended slavery, fought segregation, shut down the Ku Klux Klan, and enabled the Civil Rights Revolution of the 1960s, feel an ounce of guilt for its honorable history? 
The GOP, not the Democrats, are the true resistance to racial oppression.  In 1860, Lincoln defined slavery as “you work, I eat.”  Lincoln called the Republicans the party of opportunity and the Democrats the party of enslavement.  Not much has changed.  The central platform of the Democratic Party today is still, “You work, I eat.”
More adept at throwing a ball than reading a book, Colin Kaepernick may not know any of this.  But the leaders of the Democratic Party certainly do.  So they are using suckers like Kaepernick to pin the racist tail on the Republican elephant instead of where it truly belongs, on the Democratic donkey.
I've tried as best I can to keep it really really simple above, so that you and the other profoundly stupid people who post this same garbage so often might understand. I am not hopeful of that.

Kaepernick is protesting events that have happened within the last 5 years. Not events that happened 150 years ago. He and his supporters would condemn Democrats if Democrats supported racism TODAY the way you guys do. 

But Democrats don't -- you do. Posting what you posted here is PROOF of that.

He protests events that are supported and defended by Trump and Republicans. It is Trump and Republicans who condemn these very reasonable protests. It is Trump and Republicans who blame the victims.

I do not expect you to comprehend. 
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battlingignorance
Joined: 01 Sep 2012, 12:06

03 Oct 2017, 20:30 #100

FC -- What Thing does best (most) here, is bait. He is, as I have indicated before, Masterful at it. Ignore. (I almost always take my own advice on this.)

It is odd, really; he is no fool, by any stretch; but it does get boring after watching him having played the same, single note for so long. Not all the time...but much of it. Bit of a waste, really.
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