The Anthem Protests

Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

03 Oct 2017, 20:43 #101

He's not the only person who likes to post that same old tired, discredited bullshit that anyone who graduated from 5th grade can see through.

Fortunately, I think most here are too smart to fall for it. 
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William Taylor.e
Joined: 30 Mar 2007, 04:27

03 Oct 2017, 22:30 #102

Fortune Cookie wrote:
Thong Extractor wrote: President Trump seems to have stirred up a hornet’s nest of opposition with his call for athletes who don’t respect the national anthem to be fired.  Many NFL owners and players who were previously indifferent seem to have rallied to the Colin Kaepernick cause.



Kaepernick, of course, considers his protest to be a cry against slavery and racial oppression, for which he holds America to be the guilty party.  Kaepernick’s allies seem to be standing—or rather kneeling—for the right to protest, in opposition not necessarily to America but certainly to President Trump.
So was Trump’s call to action a mistake?  Trump seems to have acted instinctively, and yet here I propose to show his instincts are right on.  Without drawing on either ideology or history, Trump senses that the Left and the Democrats are pushing a big lie. And he’s right. 

The Democratic Left, symbolized by Kaepernick, seeks to portray themselves in resistance to oppression.  In this view, Trump represents the party of oppression (bad America) and they represent the party of liberation (good America).  Kneeling at games is intended to convey a refusal to go along with American racism and oppression.
Yet historically, this gets things upside down.  Who is the actual party of racism and oppression?  The Democrats.  Who is the actual party that resisted oppression?  The Republicans.
Here are a few unassailable facts to consider:

--While the secession debate was between the North and the South, the slavery debate was between a pro-slavery Democratic Party and an anti-slavery Republican Party. (This happened over 150 years ago.)
--Two of the three Democrats that Lincoln identified as the champions of slavery—Stephen Douglas and James Buchanan—were Northerners.  Only one, Roger Taney, was a Southerner. (This happened over 150 years ago.)
--Even after Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, the Democratic platform in 1864 sought a treaty with the Confederacy that would most likely involve a restoration of slavery. (This happened over 150 years ago.)
--After the Civil War, the Democrats overwhelmingly opposed the Thirteenth Amendment freeing the slaves, the Fourteenth Amendment granting equal rights under law, and the Fifteenth Amendment giving blacks the right to vote. (These happened in 1865, 1868, and 1870, respectively.)
--Jim Crow is entirely a legacy of the Democratic Party.  Every segregation law enacted in the South was passed by a Democratic legislature, signed by a Democratic governor, and enforced by Democratic officials. (These laws were mostly passed in the late 19th century -- over 100 years ago. They were enforced only until 1965 - over 50 years ago.)
--After Republicans shut it down in the late nineteenth century, the Ku Klux Klan was revived in the early twentieth century by a progressive Democratic president, Woodrow Wilson, who screened a pro-KKK movie in the White House. (Woodrow WIlson left office in 1921 - that's 96 years ago.)
--For decades the Klan served, in the words of progressive historian Eric Foner, as “the domestic terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.”  David Duke is an anomaly; virtually every KKK leader for the past 150 years has been a Democrat. (The heyday of the KKK was over 100 years ago. The modern KKK is embraced and supported only by Trump and some of his his friends in the Republican Party.)
--As historian Ira Katznelson shows, in order to get the New Deal passed, progressive icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt made deals with racist Democrats to block anti-lynching legislation and to exclude African Americans from most New Deal programs. (This happened over 80 years ago.)
--More Republicans than Democrats proportionately voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Fair Housing Bill of 1968.  The main opposition to the civil rights movement came not from the GOP but from racist Democrats. (This happened over 50 years ago.)

So are Democrats who pull down Confederate statues and protest the national anthem admitting the historical sins of their party?  Are these acts of honest public disclosure and humble contrition?
Not at all.  They are actually part of the Left’s big lie.  The big lie is to take the historical crimes of the Democratic Party and project them onto someone else.  Let’s blame America.  Let’s blame the South.  Let’s blame the white man.  Let’s blame everyone except the people who actually committed those crimes.
The reason for targeting confederate statues is to make the South, not the Democrats, carry the burden for slavery.  The reason for kneeling during the national anthem is to pretend that America, not the Democrats, is responsible for racial oppression.
“America” didn’t do these things.  Some Americans—namely Democrats—carried out that oppression and other Americans—namely Republicans—fought and eventually stopped them. 
Why should the Republican Party, which ended slavery, fought segregation, shut down the Ku Klux Klan, and enabled the Civil Rights Revolution of the 1960s, feel an ounce of guilt for its honorable history? 
The GOP, not the Democrats, are the true resistance to racial oppression.  In 1860, Lincoln defined slavery as “you work, I eat.”  Lincoln called the Republicans the party of opportunity and the Democrats the party of enslavement.  Not much has changed.  The central platform of the Democratic Party today is still, “You work, I eat.”
More adept at throwing a ball than reading a book, Colin Kaepernick may not know any of this.  But the leaders of the Democratic Party certainly do.  So they are using suckers like Kaepernick to pin the racist tail on the Republican elephant instead of where it truly belongs, on the Democratic donkey.
I've tried as best I can to keep it really really simple above, so that you and the other profoundly stupid people who post this same garbage so often might understand. I am not hopeful of that.

Kaepernick is protesting events that have happened within the last 5 years. Not events that happened 150 years ago. He and his supporters would condemn Democrats if Democrats supported racism TODAY the way you guys do. 

But Democrats don't -- you do. Posting what you posted here is PROOF of that.

He protests events that are supported and defended by Trump and Republicans. It is Trump and Republicans who condemn these very reasonable protests. It is Trump and Republicans who blame the victims.

I do not expect you to comprehend. 
"The modern KKK is embraced and supported only by Trump and some of his his friends in the Republican Party.)"

You are just as guilty of nonsense as anyone else. What an absurd statement that reveals only your own desire to "win" instead of telling the truth.
You make a living by what you get. You make a life by what you give..
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

03 Oct 2017, 22:35 #103

You can deny it all you want but Trump CLEARLY defended that KKK after Charlottesville. And the dopes who support Trump supported Trump's defense of the KKK. 

Fine people, indeed. 
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Thong Extractor
Joined: 28 Feb 2008, 22:45

04 Oct 2017, 00:18 #104

The irony of this is FC is just like Trump. Impulsive, nasty, hateful,can't admit when he's wrong and can't tolerate anyone with different viewpoints. Fc is the biggest critic of trump's name calling on social media and can't even hold himself to the same standards he values so dearly. From now on FC is to be known as "Donald Fortune Cookie".
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

04 Oct 2017, 00:33 #105

I do admit when I'm wrong. 

You, on the other hand, post utter bullshit like this and are simply too stupid to understand that it is just that: bullshit. 

Go to your safe space, little pussy snowflake. People here are too smart to buy the bullshit you're peddling. Go where the other stupid people silo themselves. 
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Thong Extractor
Joined: 28 Feb 2008, 22:45

04 Oct 2017, 01:03 #106

Fortune Cookie wrote: I do admit when I'm wrong. 

You, on the other hand, post utter bullshit like this and are simply too stupid to understand that it is just that: bullshit. 

Go to your safe space, little pussy snowflake. People here are too smart to buy the bullshit you're peddling. Go where the other stupid people silo themselves. 
And as expected I easily just proved my point. 
BI you keep telling me not go fishing so often but when it's this easy how can I resist when the intellectually inferior get hooked every single time. 
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

04 Oct 2017, 01:26 #107

Yes, of course, pretend you chalked up a "win". Standard backpedaling tactic of the pwned. 

You're just a profoundly stupid  little snowflake. 
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Thong Extractor
Joined: 28 Feb 2008, 22:45

04 Oct 2017, 01:44 #108

Fortune Cookie wrote: Yes, of course, pretend you chalked up a "win". Standard backpedaling tactic of the pwned. 

You're just a profoundly stupid  little snowflake. 
Ok Donald. 
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Trevor Slattery
Joined: 07 May 2015, 16:18

04 Oct 2017, 02:18 #109

battlingignorance wrote:
Trevor Slattery wrote: How is this at all relevant?
gloman wrote:
Trevor Slattery wrote: This liberal bullshit has clearly gone too far when Gordie Baird takes a knee while getting a citation from the state via Senator Tarr for reading to children.
WTF?!?!?
And those talking heads on Fixed Noise saying that this is no time to look at gun control makes sense!
As relevant and making as much sense as your post. (unless you were trying to be funny....one never quite knows.)

Hmm. Seeing how this thread is about protests and taking a knee my post was far more relevant than most of the others.

Who thinks its ok to "take a knee" in the situation I described? I must not get it. Enlighten me
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Thong Extractor
Joined: 28 Feb 2008, 22:45

04 Oct 2017, 13:01 #110

Trevor Slattery wrote:
battlingignorance wrote:
Trevor Slattery wrote: How is this at all relevant?
gloman wrote:
Trevor Slattery wrote: This liberal bullshit has clearly gone too far when Gordie Baird takes a knee while getting a citation from the state via Senator Tarr for reading to children.
WTF?!?!?
And those talking heads on Fixed Noise saying that this is no time to look at gun control makes sense!
As relevant and making as much sense as your post. (unless you were trying to be funny....one never quite knows.)

Hmm. Seeing how this thread is about protests and taking a knee my post was far more relevant than most of the others.

Who thinks its ok to "take a knee" in the situation I described?   I must not get it. Enlighten me
Gordon Baird is a spoiled rich white boy that never had to work a day in his life. He screams for attention in every area of his life, his antics are irrelevant to me, he can fornicate with one of his donkeys on one knee and I wouldn't raise an eyebrow.
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gloman
Joined: 25 Jan 2008, 05:11

05 Oct 2017, 00:03 #111

I don't think Gordo is spoiled.
He is rich and white. He founded and ran a successful magazine for years.
He is a bit crazy, but then again this is Glosta!
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Karly
Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

05 Oct 2017, 00:09 #112

Also...I don't know him well but from my experience even in his "not working" he was doing things like teaching kids like mine to sail and teaching them how to put on drama productions in their schools.
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

05 Oct 2017, 01:26 #113

I have heard from two or three people that worked at defunct "Musician" whom said  Gordo was a great boss.  I had an association with Gordo just after the magazine and was torn between having the rich guy have his ways verses a creative person that may be on his way to a big break.

We had disagreements but he offered and I accepted a "daily sail" in a good harbor breeze.  It was kind of up and down along with other connections - I'm glad I rated a sail during a good point.

I was envious that Gordo's mom was an active pilot and art dealer that flew around for deals on art.  I visited Beverly Airport when she (80 some years then) parked the Beechcraft Bonanza - a six passenger flying hot road.  They are all UU's I think.

THE WEALTHY ARE PEOPLE TOO.
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battlingignorance
Joined: 01 Sep 2012, 12:06

05 Oct 2017, 13:50 #114

gloman wrote: I don't think Gordo is spoiled.
He is rich and white.  He founded and ran a successful magazine for years.
Musician magazine was founded by GB and Sam Holdsworth in 1976. They sold it to the BillBoard publishers in '81 because, although admired by musicians and in music journalist circles (it was pretty muso-nerdy - not a bad thing, at all), it was not financially successful or sustainable.
Holdsworth and another partner bought it back some years later.
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Thong Extractor
Joined: 28 Feb 2008, 22:45

05 Oct 2017, 14:35 #115

Of course he was a spoiled rich kid. He's not malicious at all just needy and needs attention constantly to validate his existence. Running a failed experiment for 4 years hardly qualifies as a real job. The charter school's demise was partially caused by his crappy leadership (among many other fucked up reasons).  His newspaper ramblings are nonsense and the show Chicken Shack was pathetically not funny except for a few guest appearances.
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gloman
Joined: 25 Jan 2008, 05:11

05 Oct 2017, 20:02 #116

Thong Extractor wrote: Of course he was a spoiled rich kid. He's not malicious at all just needy and needs attention constantly to validate his existence. Running a failed experiment for 4 years hardly qualifies as a real job. The charter school's demise was partially caused by his crappy leadership (among many other fucked up reasons).  His newspaper ramblings are nonsense and the show Chicken Shack was pathetically not funny except for a few guest appearances.
Your lack of business acumen is showing. Just because a business doesn't make a profit, doesnt mean he or anyone else is no working.
As for the charter school he wasn't a leader or founder.
Opinions are like asshole. Everyone has one and they all stink.
So he has family money. Jealous 😉
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Thong Extractor
Joined: 28 Feb 2008, 22:45

05 Oct 2017, 20:14 #117

gloman wrote:
Thong Extractor wrote: Of course he was a spoiled rich kid. He's not malicious at all just needy and needs attention constantly to validate his existence. Running a failed experiment for 4 years hardly qualifies as a real job. The charter school's demise was partially caused by his crappy leadership (among many other fucked up reasons).  His newspaper ramblings are nonsense and the show Chicken Shack was pathetically not funny except for a few guest appearances.
Your lack of business acumen is showing.  Just because a business doesn't make a profit, doesnt mean he or anyone else is no working.
As for the charter school he wasn't a leader or founder.
Opinions are like asshole.  Everyone has one and they all stink.
So he has family money.  Jealous 😉
My head hurts reading your post.
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gloman
Joined: 25 Jan 2008, 05:11

05 Oct 2017, 21:32 #118

And your ignorance is giving me a pain in the ass🙊🙉🙈
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flounda
Joined: 05 Jan 2008, 05:22

09 Oct 2017, 16:11 #119

If Trump said everyone should boycott the NFL and not watch or go to the games, why was Pence there ? To pull off this preconceived stunt, that's why.
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peregrine
Joined: 23 Dec 2007, 03:06

09 Oct 2017, 16:42 #120

Good question.  How often does Pence go to NFL games ?
 Did he go to show support for he NFL?  (good cop, bad cop)
 Did he go to force the players to stand, so as not to piss him off ?
 Did he go as a provocation, in the expectation to be pissed off?
White House motives are inscrutable.

-- peregrine
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