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April 5th, 2018, 3:55 pm #501

Fishtown Boy wrote: That "one store" has potential of being busy like Market Basket the day before a storm. 
 Think, if there was one Package Store in Gloucester.
lol ...
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April 5th, 2018, 4:15 pm #502

Dun Fudgin wrote:
gator wrote: Bravo Manchester for voting in favor of Pot Shops 👍

Hopefully people use that same common sense when its Rockport's turn to vote.

There was a good fear piece in the Time's yesterday about how it will ruin Rockport's "Unique beauty and tranquility" and even some "what about the children" thrown in for good measure!
I can tell you from my alcohol retail experience that Rockporter's by a wide margin had the highest number of hardcore drinkers of any Cape Ann community.
I believe it. Rockport is littered with discarded nip bottles just like Gloucester too.
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April 5th, 2018, 7:03 pm #503

Fortune Cookie wrote: I vote for five. One in each precinct. 
5 Wards, 10 precincts I think! I would be fine with the 3 that will go through without further voting, etc.
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April 5th, 2018, 8:14 pm #504

Ooops! You're right -- I meant ward. 

But, what the heck, I'd go for 10 -- one for each precinct. 
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April 7th, 2018, 9:23 am #505

I tend to agree with the Mayor in her outline here ... have the 3 shops.  She also noted that while she doesn't personally support the issue, this mandate came from the people. 

With the two competing proposals coming to the Council next Tuesday (Val Gilman's proposed limit of one shop would require a ballot question I think),  Councilor Lundberg said “Right now, the big thing is to get this back in front of the public, and this should do that.”

The Mayor's proposal...

"1. Cap the number of licenses at three.

2. Work with the Planning Board regarding zoning and placement of any such shops.

3. Adopt an ordinance governing sales and marketing of marijuana accessories, and authorize the Board of Health to carry out inspections of edible marijuana products.

4. Adopt state laws allowing the city to collect a community impact fee of 3 percent of all gross revenues from sales of marijuana by any shop in Gloucester.

5. Designate such revenues to support public safety initiatives and efforts to educate children about the dangers of using drugs."

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/news/loc ... 2e0b3.html
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April 7th, 2018, 11:52 am #506

Karly wrote: I tend to agree with the Mayor in her outline here ... have the 3 shops.  She also noted that while she doesn't personally support the issue, this mandate came from the people. 

With the two competing proposals coming to the Council next Tuesday (Val Gilman's proposed limit of one shop would require a ballot question I think),  Councilor Lundberg said “Right now, the big thing is to get this back in front of the public, and this should do that.”

The Mayor's proposal...

"1. Cap the number of licenses at three.

2. Work with the Planning Board regarding zoning and placement of any such shops.

3. Adopt an ordinance governing sales and marketing of marijuana accessories, and authorize the Board of Health to carry out inspections of edible marijuana products.

4. Adopt state laws allowing the city to collect a community impact fee of 3 percent of all gross revenues from sales of marijuana by any shop in Gloucester.

5. Designate such revenues to support public safety initiatives and efforts to educate children about the dangers of using drugs."

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/news/loc ... 2e0b3.html
The last part is a sop to the "No" voters and just throws more $ at the PD, most of which will be wasted. This is not a new thing, people!

FFS...."efforts to educate children about the dangers of using drugs" - is so vague and so mealy-mouthed. That is already going on - it has been for decades, in schools with or without the Po-po, and in homes. What an utter waste of money D.A.R.E. has proven to be, other than throwing more money into law enforcement coffers.
What "public safety initiatives" are they talking about,exactly? More vague bullshit.
I get where Lady Mayor is coming from, and how she has to manage the politics of this; but a good portion of any revenue from sales should absolutely go either into the general fund, or be specifically directed at infrastructure. The city is hard-up. Let's not waste this financial opportunity on feel-good spending for the few.
As for slowing things down - great, let's just wait for surrounding towns and cities to establish themselves first...and get the $ themselves.

Millions of people all over the country have been smoking cannabis for decades - longer! It was legal until some racist-assed southern state lawmakers decided it made blacks uppity and Mexicans lazy (...look it up in Congressional records). And the massive percentage of those people are decent, hard-working, moral, family-supporting and loving folks. Americans. None of whom have done even a small percentage of the damage done or put the strain upon to families, property, the health system, law enforcement, etc. as people who drink booze or who have problems with legal drugs (because drugs = medicine, ya know). Let's evolve, fer chrissakes. Look at the evidence all around us - here and abroad. And get with it.
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April 7th, 2018, 12:18 pm #507

I agree with that, BI.  My main agreement with the Mayor's proposal is with having 3 stores...which is the default so no back-flips needed to make it happen...and with her comment that this mandate came from the people so her personal feelings about it aren't the consideration here.
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April 7th, 2018, 9:29 pm #508

Per the state, the municipality's 3% is not a tax - it's a "community impact fee" and the fee must be reasonably related to real costs imposed on the municipality due to the establishment or RMD operating there.  So there is no going into the general fund and I guess that municipalities can create costs imposed on the municipality such as police training and educating children.

The Mayor's recommendation letter is included in the packet for the Council's April 10 meeting:

http://gloucester-ma.gov/ArchiveCenter/ ... /Item/8745

An interesting discussion happening around the state, promoted by Q4 proponents:  should municipalities that ban recreational retail benefit from the state's 17% tax that is collected on retail sales?
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April 8th, 2018, 10:01 am #509

"Annual Town Meeting emphatically backed by a 243-53 vote a warrant article that will place a referendum question on the May 15 town election ballot asking whether residents want to bar any retail recreational marijuana shops from operating within town."

No liquor stores either ...


http://www.gloucestertimes.com/news/loc ... 974eb.html
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April 8th, 2018, 12:24 pm #510

Cathy (Admin) wrote: Per the state, the municipality's 3% is not a tax - it's a "community impact fee" and the fee must be reasonably related to real costs imposed on the municipality due to the establishment or RMD operating there.  So there is no going into the general fund and I guess that municipalities can create costs imposed on the municipality such as police training and educating children.

The Mayor's recommendation letter is included in the packet for the Council's April 10 meeting:

http://gloucester-ma.gov/ArchiveCenter/ ... /Item/8737

An interesting discussion happening around the state, promoted by Q4 proponents:  should municipalities that ban recreational retail benefit from the state's 17% tax that is collected on retail sales?
NO!!!     The lottery revenue split is already wrong, don't add another wrong.
You think you know it, but you haven't got a clue!!
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April 8th, 2018, 2:42 pm #511

Just grow your own and share with friends, no taxes.
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April 8th, 2018, 7:23 pm #512

Gloucester needs to hear from Dr Bruce Cohen from Rockport's Board of Health.  He is the most knowledgeable person I've heard on the subject of marijuana and community health. He has done a lot of research.  I asked him what he thought about Gloucester and he would only say that people should have the true facts and research when deciding what to do.  Let's take advantage of this Gloucester.
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April 8th, 2018, 8:21 pm #513

He was quoted in the Times arcticle that covered the issue at Rockport's Town Meeting:

"Countering Wedmore, Dr. Bruce Cohen, another Board of Health member, said that other communities in other states, such as Colorado, have seen no ill effects from local retail pot sales.

"They have seen no increase in violent crime, no increase in nuisance crime," he said, making the case for allowing sales in Rockport. "I think we should provide a provisional license for one pot shop, and then carefully monitor how it goes.""

I received confirmation that Gloucester can, indeed, enact a total ban (with a ballot vote).  If a complete ban on recreational is enacted, a medical dispensary would not be granted a license to convert.  I'm not advocating for a ban, just trying to be clear on the options.
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April 8th, 2018, 8:32 pm #514

Cathy (Admin) wrote: He was quoted in the Times arcticle that covered the issue at Rockport's Town Meeting:

"Countering Wedmore, Dr. Bruce Cohen, another Board of Health member, said that other communities in other states, such as Colorado, have seen no ill effects from local retail pot sales.

"They have seen no increase in violent crime, no increase in nuisance crime," he said, making the case for allowing sales in Rockport. "I think we should provide a provisional license for one pot shop, and then carefully monitor how it goes.""

I received confirmation that Gloucester can, indeed, enact a total ban (with a ballot vote).  If a complete ban on recreational is enacted, a medical dispensary would not be granted a license to convert.  I'm not advocating for a ban, just trying to be clear on the options.
We got a lot of information on what has happened in Washington and Colorado (or not happened) today at Cape Ann Local Action. It wasn't even on the agenda but some members wanted more information on what information is out there.  His concern is that everyone makes decisions with correct information.   I like that.  I am looking into how we can hear from him on a wider basis in Gloucester.
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April 8th, 2018, 8:56 pm #515

I'm glad Dr Cohen is there to counter the hysteria from Dr Wedmore. Wedmore's main concern seems to be the kids, yet he has a cigar permanently attached to his face? What are kids supposed to think when they see a doctor smoking a cigar? That it's ok?
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April 8th, 2018, 9:01 pm #516

Heh!  Kind of like complaining about glass in the windows of a smoke shop across the street from a convenience store plastered with plastic beer signs.

It will be interesting - the mayor recommends following the will of the voters on Q4 and allowing the 3 which would require no further vote by residents; a councilor submits an order to limit the number to 1 which requires a ballot vote; a different councilor has previously stated that they don't think that voters knew what they were voting for on Q4; a segment of voters favor a total ban and have received misinformation on that option.  Dudes .... 
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April 9th, 2018, 7:28 am #517

Cathy (Admin) wrote: Heh!  Kind of like complaining about glass in the windows of a smoke shop across the street from a convenience store plastered with plastic beer signs.

It will be interesting - ..... a different councilor has previously stated that they don't think that voters knew what they were voting for on Q4;.....
...which patronizing asshole was that?
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April 9th, 2018, 4:14 pm #518

Since you asked so nicely ... 

This is what the at-large candidates had to say about pot shops at the November 1, 2017 debate.  To be fair, it was November - well before the State completed their end of the regulation process and some may have changed their positions since then.  I'm sure we'll find out where all councilors currently stand on the issue in the near future.

The responses to the pot shop question start about 28:50:

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April 9th, 2018, 5:18 pm #519

Whats next??  Legalized prostitution?  Turn Cape Anne into Amsterdam...Should be interesting to see how this un folds over next 20 years.
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April 9th, 2018, 7:22 pm #520

stanb wrote: Whats next??  Legalized prostitution?  Turn Cape Anne into Amsterdam...Should be interesting to see how this un folds over next 20 years.
Where do you think would be a good place for the Red Light District in Gloucester? 😂
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