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February 21st, 2018, 7:06 pm #441

"Members of the state's Cannabis Control Commission are warning that they could delay the anticipated July 1 start of retail marijuana sales if regulators lack the technology or staff to oversee the multimillion-dollar weed industry, but pot advocates say there's no reason for a delay."

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/news/loc ... 294f1.html

"[Gov.]Baker, a Swampscott Republican and opponent of legalized marijuana, has urged the commission to focus on the basic framework for the industry."

"People should crawl before they walk and walk before they run," he told reporters. "I think it is important that this go well from the beginning."

Really, Charlie?  Are you saying that the state wasn't ready for this when it was put on the ballot?

Q4 was on the ballot in November 2016.

Starting in early 2015, Senator Jason M. Lewis studied marijuana legalization — interviewing 50-plus experts, scouring the research, and observing firsthand a state where it is legal.

Lewis chaired the special legislative committee on marijuana.

Senator Lewis and members of the committee traveled to Colorado in January 2016 to study their law and speak with law-enforcement.
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Joined: February 19th, 2010, 9:12 pm

February 21st, 2018, 8:13 pm #442

I've stayed pretty much out of this marijuana sales obstruction problem because there are other issues I care more about (affordable housing, immigration issues, income inequality as examples) and you have to make choices about where your time goes.  But they are really, really starting to piss me off...making the idea of representing the voters seem like such a sham.  If they don't agree and have a little power...let's use that to obstruct.
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February 21st, 2018, 8:14 pm #443

And we need more choices than "Like".  We need a "That's hilarious" button and a "That pisses me off royally" button.  Maybe even an eye roll.
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Joined: April 27th, 2011, 4:12 pm

February 21st, 2018, 8:43 pm #444

This time I'm just not surprised. They've been using these stall tactics from the get-go.
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February 22nd, 2018, 9:00 am #445

Damon wrote:
NightStalker wrote: People are worried about a pot shop here and being the only north shore town with one, but weren't worried about us having one of the few methadone clinics or wet homeless shelters.

The training is for a Drug Recognition Officer which is an intense course which would allow an officer to have the education and certification to prove in court that someone was under the influence of drugs when operating a vehicle.   If that isn't done, there is no legal way in this state to prove OUID.  That seems to be a big concern among people.
But why is it only important now? The rationale seems to be that people will suddenly start using pot.
That is just silly.
It was just as important before but it is thought that it will be more necessary now as people are so worried about what they think will be a bigger amount of drivers who have used pot being on the road.    Maybe they figure the funds will be more available when pot is taxed to the hilt, or it's to quell the reefer madness people.
You think you know it, but you haven't got a clue!!
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February 22nd, 2018, 9:01 am #446

evidently, they forgot to tell Charlie
You think you know it, but you haven't got a clue!!
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February 22nd, 2018, 9:50 am #447

So we have to wait for a bunch of furious kids from
Florida to tell the jerks to start listening or leave.
Enough already. We elect you to represent us, not
the booze lobby or the gun lobby.
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
 George Orwell , 1984
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February 22nd, 2018, 9:40 pm #448

NightStalker wrote:
Damon wrote: But why is it only important now? The rationale seems to be that people will suddenly start using pot.
That is just silly.
It was just as important before but it is thought that it will be more necessary now as people are so worried about what they think will be a bigger amount of drivers who have used pot being on the road.    Maybe they figure the funds will be more available when pot is taxed to the hilt, or it's to quell the reefer madness people.
FFS. Scaredy-cat morons are everywhere, I guess.
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February 23rd, 2018, 4:02 am #449


Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains cancer-causing chemicals. There are 33 cancer-causing chemicals contained in marijuana. Marijuana smoke also deposits tar into the lungs. In fact, when equal amounts of marijuana and tobacco are smoked, marijuana deposits four times as much tar into the lungs. This is because marijuana joints are un-filtered and often more deeply inhaled than cigarettes.
You better hope when legal the pot is filtered!
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February 23rd, 2018, 7:00 am #450

Dun...I think a lot of people who use marijuana don't smoke it like in the old days.
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February 23rd, 2018, 7:33 am #451

Dun Fudgin wrote:
Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains cancer-causing chemicals. There are 33 cancer-causing chemicals contained in marijuana. Marijuana smoke also deposits tar into the lungs. In fact, when equal amounts of marijuana and tobacco are smoked, marijuana deposits four times as much tar into the lungs. This is because marijuana joints are un-filtered and often more deeply inhaled than cigarettes.
You better hope when legal the pot is filtered!
Less than half the story becomes you (us) not, Dun. The bullshit, sneaky, Reefer Madness part of that little scaremongering is "when equal amounts of marijuana and tobacco are smoked". Hilarious. Preying on ignorance.

"...although it may be true that marijuana smoke deposits more tar into a smoker’s lungs than tobacco smoke, the above-displayed photograph does not accurately depict the difference in overall harm caused to a tobacco smoker’s lungs versus a marijuana smoker’s lungs. Marijuana contains many of the same cancer-causing chemicals as tobacco smoke, but a recent study found no link between marijuana and an increased risk of lung cancer. According to Dr. Hal Morgenstern, a University of Michigan epidemiologist, this factor was likely attributable to the differences between marijuana and tobacco use:
"When you think about people smoking 20 to 40 cigarettes a day for 40 years, they’re smoking hundreds of thousands of cigarettes. The exposure that marijuana users get is more than a magnitude of difference less."   --- SEE THIS BIT?!  PAY ATTENTION!!!

However, a study funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse found that even heavy marijuana smokers did not have an increased risk of developing lung cancer:
"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use. What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."

Donald Tashkin, a UCLA pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years, hypothesized that the chemical THC may prevent the cancer-causing chemicals in marijuana smoke from negatively affecting the body:
"The THC in marijuana has well-defined anti-tumoral effects that have been shown to inhibit the growth of a variety of cancers in animal models and tissue culture systems, thus counteracting the potentially tumorigenic effects of the procarcinogens in marijuana smoke.
We don’t know for sure, but a very reasonable possibility is that THC may actually interfere with the development of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease."


Have a lovely, more informed day, Dun!
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February 23rd, 2018, 8:29 am #452

Dun - What is this? You are not making any sense. We all
know pot is readily available in Gloucester now. Making it
legal just allows the police to focus on real problems, like
driving drunk and hitting spouses and ripping off stores. I
just do not understand where you are coming from.
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
 George Orwell , 1984
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February 23rd, 2018, 9:14 am #453

battlingignorance wrote:
Dun Fudgin wrote:
Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains cancer-causing chemicals. There are 33 cancer-causing chemicals contained in marijuana. Marijuana smoke also deposits tar into the lungs. In fact, when equal amounts of marijuana and tobacco are smoked, marijuana deposits four times as much tar into the lungs. This is because marijuana joints are un-filtered and often more deeply inhaled than cigarettes.
You better hope when legal the pot is filtered!
Less than half the story becomes you (us) not, Dun. The bullshit, sneaky, Reefer Madness part of that little scaremongering is "when equal amounts of marijuana and tobacco are smoked". Hilarious. Preying on ignorance.

"...although it may be true that marijuana smoke deposits more tar into a smoker’s lungs than tobacco smoke, the above-displayed photograph does not accurately depict the difference in overall harm caused to a tobacco smoker’s lungs versus a marijuana smoker’s lungs. Marijuana contains many of the same cancer-causing chemicals as tobacco smoke, but a recent study found no link between marijuana and an increased risk of lung cancer. According to Dr. Hal Morgenstern, a University of Michigan epidemiologist, this factor was likely attributable to the differences between marijuana and tobacco use:
"When you think about people smoking 20 to 40 cigarettes a day for 40 years, they’re smoking hundreds of thousands of cigarettes. The exposure that marijuana users get is more than a magnitude of difference less."   --- SEE THIS BIT?!  PAY ATTENTION!!!

However, a study funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse found that even heavy marijuana smokers did not have an increased risk of developing lung cancer:
"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use. What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."

Donald Tashkin, a UCLA pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years, hypothesized that the chemical THC may prevent the cancer-causing chemicals in marijuana smoke from negatively affecting the body:
"The THC in marijuana has well-defined anti-tumoral effects that have been shown to inhibit the growth of a variety of cancers in animal models and tissue culture systems, thus counteracting the potentially tumorigenic effects of the procarcinogens in marijuana smoke.
We don’t know for sure, but a very reasonable possibility is that THC may actually interfere with the development of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease."


Have a lovely, more informed day, Dun!
I got that the same place you got it, I think......Snopes. All I hear from the pro pot people is how safe it is and never mention any harmful chemicals in it. What the Snopes article didn't say is that the cost will probably reduce the intake of tar compared to the daily tobacco smoker.
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February 23rd, 2018, 9:48 am #454

Damon wrote: ......
I just do not understand where you are coming from.
1955 ???
You think you know it, but you haven't got a clue!!
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February 23rd, 2018, 9:58 am #455

No, my freshman year in college was 1955. Dun is much younger. I
just do not get it.
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
 George Orwell , 1984
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February 23rd, 2018, 11:45 am #456

Good afternoon, Dun. Here is some afternoon reading material.

Study: Marijuana Smoking Not Linked with Lung Damage
http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/s ... ng-damage/

Marijuana Cuts Lung Caner Tumors in Half, Study Shows
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 193338.htm

Effects of Marijuana Smoking on the Lung- by Dr Donald Tashkin, Pulmonologist
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23802821
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February 23rd, 2018, 3:05 pm #457

Damon wrote: No, my freshman year in college was 1955. Dun is much younger. I
just do not get it.
Simple.....It was my subtle attempt of a joke on filtered marijuana cigarettes. Some just take it too seriously.
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February 23rd, 2018, 8:16 pm #458

Sorry. Thank you for clarifying.
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?...   ..........
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February 23rd, 2018, 8:45 pm #459

Damon wrote: Sorry. Thank you for clarifying.
Thanks but no need to apologize, some don't get subtle enough for my subtle humor but bi did get me laughing on his response! 
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February 23rd, 2018, 10:53 pm #460

Dun Fudgin wrote: I got that the same place you got it, I think......Snopes. All I hear from the pro pot people is how safe it is and never mention any harmful chemicals in it. What the Snopes article didn't say is that the cost will probably reduce the intake of tar compared to the daily tobacco smoker.
Jesus Christ, you can be obtuse. What "harmful chemicals"?!  Nothing is added to cannabis....unlike cigarettes which are laden with toxic additives. (Tar is not a "chemical", btw.) And you are trying to say that the increased cost is why cannabis smokers will inhale less Tar?!?! Snopes didn't say it...because it is a cretinous idea!
Did you not absorb what I wrote: that NOBODY ALIVE can smoke as much cannabis as an habitual cigarette smoker does over a lifetime, ergo the tar issue is a non-starter!?

Nobody has died of lung cancer or emphysema from simply smoking cannabis. Get a grip. Stop. Just stop.

EDIT: I just saw your post above. Deliberate humour? I don't buy it.
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