Plastic Bags in Gloucester? Yea or Nay in Today's Globe North-- Cox v. Whynott

Plastic Bags in Gloucester? Yea or Nay in Today's Globe North-- Cox v. Whynott

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November 5th, 2017, 9:50 am #1

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November 5th, 2017, 10:53 pm #2


The Globe has a survey at the end of the article. VOTE AS MUCH AS YOU WANT - THE RESULTS ARE BOGUS! (I voted 3 times - 2 No's and a Yes (offset by the extra No vote I gave).

I already gave my own bullet points on another thread but

- the reusable bags are unsanitary (unless washed)

- paper bags are flimsy at some stores

- some store sell heavy duty plastic bags

- most of the liter is NOT plastic bags but some ARE biodegradable.

- trying to carry in paper bags usually one or more breaks vs. plastic seldom do.

- letting the market go where is natural - paid heavy duty plastic bags, I think is the way to go.
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November 6th, 2017, 3:39 am #3

Francisco A. Sclafani is against any change in our laws
or regulations that would restrict our use of plastic bags.

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November 6th, 2017, 10:16 am #4

DM3194 wrote: Francisco A. Sclafani is against any change in our laws
or regulations that would restrict our use of plastic bags.

maybe someone could arrange a LIVE web cam "Election Eve Bag Debate" between Francisco A. Sclafani and Melissa Cox.
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November 6th, 2017, 10:46 am #5

If you are able to arrange such a debate, Leland, let's get Francisco's thoughts about permaculture too.
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November 6th, 2017, 10:59 am #6

I'm very interested in his thoughts on sartorial improvements to Gloucester. 
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November 6th, 2017, 11:55 am #7

Pretty sad that to some people, this is the most pressing issue.
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November 6th, 2017, 4:29 pm #8

Is everyone still on for Cameron's tonite?????

Maybe get an impromptu debate going for the crowd -
Frankie vs Missy Bags, Permaculture and Sartorial Improvements.

LIVE.
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November 6th, 2017, 4:53 pm #9

That shot is the funniest thing. He looks like a dream sequence about visiting heaven from a bad 70s sitcom. The unfinished paint job behind him adds just the perfect "I must be dreaming" touch. He needs a trumpet and some wings. Plastic, of course.

I don't have a vote, but I hope the ban passes.
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November 6th, 2017, 5:57 pm #10

Island Annie wrote: That shot is the funniest thing. He looks like a dream sequence about visiting heaven from a bad 70s sitcom. The unfinished paint job behind him adds just the perfect "I must be dreaming" touch. He needs a trumpet and some wings. Plastic, of course.

I don't have a vote, but I hope the ban passes.
Isn't wearing a white jacket after Labor Day considered a fashion faux pas?
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November 7th, 2017, 9:59 am #11

Matisse wrote:
Island Annie wrote: That shot is the funniest thing. He looks like a dream sequence about visiting heaven from a bad 70s sitcom. The unfinished paint job behind him adds just the perfect "I must be dreaming" touch. He needs a trumpet and some wings. Plastic, of course.

I don't have a vote, but I hope the ban passes.
Isn't wearing a white jacket after Labor Day considered a fashion faux pas?
Leeland you are full of crap!
You are leaving out the tons of pollution caused in the manufacturing of plastic bags.
Biodegradable is a myth.
Many of us had no plastic bags growing up and we our parents and grandparents survived.
Bob Whynot is what is wrong with Glosta.
We need to look forward not backwards.
You ate clearly out of touch with the 2ist century.
Disguising 😠
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November 7th, 2017, 1:48 pm #12

gloman wrote:
Matisse wrote:
Island Annie wrote: That shot is the funniest thing. He looks like a dream sequence about visiting heaven from a bad 70s sitcom. The unfinished paint job behind him adds just the perfect "I must be dreaming" touch. He needs a trumpet and some wings. Plastic, of course.

I don't have a vote, but I hope the ban passes.
Isn't wearing a white jacket after Labor Day considered a fashion faux pas?
Leeland you are full of crap!
You are leaving out the tons of pollution caused in the manufacturing of plastic bags.
Biodegradable is a myth.
Many of us had no plastic bags growing up and we our parents and grandparents survived.
Bob Whynot is what is wrong with Glosta.
We need to look forward not backwards.
You ate clearly out of touch with the 2ist century.
Disguising 😠
If Melissa Cox reports to the CC the results of the survey in the lead post (jack22) it should be noted that anyone can vote as many times as they want!


Paper bags come from toxic paper mills.

Cloth bags are a good option provided the consumer constantly washes the bag after each use. A contaminated cloth bag could send someone to the ER.

Plastic bags are petroleum based but it is FAR MORE LOOKING FORWARD to realize that gas at the pump is cheap. Too cheap.

Rather than go after the use of plastic, bags - a MUCH larger waste of petroleum is at the gas pump. Why should we TODAY pay less at the pump than 45 years ago when it was 35¢ a gallon

We should look forward to a future of solar, wind and improved battery storage.

Going after plastic bag usage is trivial.
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November 7th, 2017, 2:24 pm #13

"Cloth bags are a good option provided the consumer constantly washes the bag after each use. A contaminated cloth bag could send someone to the E"

I doubt this has ever happened though. But with plastic, the real issue is the 30 billion BILLION plastic bottle used in the USA every year, right?...and I bet you have some in your house right now.
Plastic is terrible. Paper is better but still environmentally expensive to recycle. Reusable is far and wide the best, most environmentally friendly and cheapest.


https://www.thebalance.com/plastic-recy ... es-2877886

But here is a thought to ponder: 14.5 percent of ALL greenhouse gasses, more than all TRANSPORTATION combined, come from raising livestock for meat consumption. This months INC. magazine has a not very appetizing feature on the manufacture (growing) of artificial meat....coming in a decade or so to your friendly supermarket or perhaps delivered to you by an Amazon drone! Don't worry, you will get used to it. It will be far healthier for you and for the environment.
You make a living by what you get. You make a life by what you give..
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November 7th, 2017, 3:23 pm #14

So the entire state of California has no clue because they banned plastic bags in most large retailers.
This was based on evidence from researchers at Stanford, USC, Berkley, etc.
We here in Glosta know Leeland is smarter than the scientists at these universities!
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November 7th, 2017, 3:44 pm #15

One minute I'm crap and next I'm smarter that all the loosely goosey profs on the west coast.  Hmmmm

Say ask your Havaad student (grad?) daughter. You posted awhile back - what's she think?  I'll go with that.

But I HATE TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD but it's not about the microscopic drop of water a plastic bag red presents VS. ALL THE NON-RENEWABLE ENERGY. Again, ask your daughter - microscopic plastic bag vs GALLONS OF GAS!




Ask a cashier about re-usable.
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November 7th, 2017, 4:11 pm #16

FYI she's for the ban.
Stanford and Berkley are 2 of the top 10 universities in the country.
If anyone is loosey goosey it's you.
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November 7th, 2017, 5:33 pm #17

... and them,

The question was a two parter - second part - to your daughter - how small an effort going after the tinee-tiny impact of plastic bags vs. going after the energy industry being addicted to gasoline.

Harvard BTW is the glue that is keeping this country together right now - during our leadership crisis.
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November 7th, 2017, 7:21 pm #18

Leland33 wrote: ... and them,

The question was a two parter - second part - to your daughter - how small an effort going after the tinee-tiny impact of plastic bags vs. going after the energy industry being addicted to gasoline.

Harvard BTW is the glue that is keeping this country together right now - during our leadership crisis.
I'm through playing your stupid little game.
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November 7th, 2017, 11:07 pm #19

Leland33 wrote: One minute I'm crap and next I'm smarter that all the loosely goosey profs on the west coast.  Hmmmm

Say ask your Havaad student (grad?) daughter. You posted awhile back - what's she think?  I'll go with that.

But I HATE TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD but it's not about the microscopic drop of water a plastic bag red presents VS. ALL THE NON-RENEWABLE ENERGY.  Again, ask your daughter - microscopic plastic bag vs GALLONS OF GAS!




Ask a cashier about re-usable.
The reusable, expandable, string mesh bags hold a massive amount of stuff and should they get dirty you can very easily rinse them out in about 30 seconds. Frankly I have a hard time these days finding a cashier who could give and informed opinion  about anything except cellphones...let along know how to pack a bag, any bag. When I was fifteen I worked in a small grocery store and we learned to bag a bag full and square being mindful of fragile fruits, etc. and did not just dump them on the bottom. It is mostly higgery piggery now.
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November 7th, 2017, 11:44 pm #20

Stop & Shop cashiers are pretty good and they're union.

Mesh sounds fine if it is well tested.

My point about Harvard is through my tech work I've had the pleasure of listening to student and professors speak on a many variety of subjects at the various schools of Harvard.

It's an milieux of smart and to be smarter students because of the milieux. If the subject was study paper vs plastic they'd be expected to go beyond that. What would surprise me is the latitude of different approaches.

I oppose an all out ban - the supermarkets should be approached by the city and to suggest and NOT mandate.

Where gonna be busy enough with all the new business Holmgren brings to town.

Good going Jen.
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