Plastic Bags in Gloucester? Yea or Nay in Today's Globe North-- Cox v. Whynott

Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

09 Nov 2017, 13:04 #81

Still a liar, I see. 
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ohyesshedid
Joined: 17 Feb 2016, 17:58

09 Nov 2017, 13:07 #82

Dun Fudgin wrote: I see that Dollar Store at Gloucester Crossing uses biodegradable/ compost friendly "plastic" bags. That's what the city should focus on instead of an out right plastic bag ban. And you would figure if a "Dollar Store" can afford those bags they should be affordable for all establishments.
The problem with this is they really aren't biodegradable or compostable, at least for the average person with a backyard compost bin. http://www.plasticplace.com/blog/5-surp ... astic-bags
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battlingignorance
Joined: 01 Sep 2012, 12:06

09 Nov 2017, 13:25 #83

OneCommentOnly wrote:
Dun Fudgin wrote: I see that Dollar Store at Gloucester Crossing uses biodegradable/ compost friendly "plastic" bags. That's what the city should focus on instead of an out right plastic bag ban. And you would figure if a "Dollar Store" can afford those bags they should be affordable for all establishments.
That would be a perfect solution!  Can you talk to the councilors and the mayor?  I don't know any of them.  Reusing old bags for new groceries isn't a good idea, especially for produce.  People who don't have back problems don't understand this issue of lifting something too heavy and ending up with a back unable to support your body when you stand.  I don't want to go back to that, so I'm careful.  Why are they considering a ban if they could do this? 

For the record, I am not Ms. Kesterson, gloman.
Yup - classic humor-trolling...(where the only one laughing is the troll)
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OneCommentOnly
Joined: 30 Oct 2017, 17:29

09 Nov 2017, 14:11 #84

battlingignorance wrote:
OneCommentOnly wrote:
Dun Fudgin wrote: I see that Dollar Store at Gloucester Crossing uses biodegradable/ compost friendly "plastic" bags. That's what the city should focus on instead of an out right plastic bag ban. And you would figure if a "Dollar Store" can afford those bags they should be affordable for all establishments.
That would be a perfect solution!  Can you talk to the councilors and the mayor?  I don't know any of them.  Reusing old bags for new groceries isn't a good idea, especially for produce.  People who don't have back problems don't understand this issue of lifting something too heavy and ending up with a back unable to support your body when you stand.  I don't want to go back to that, so I'm careful.  Why are they considering a ban if they could do this? 

For the record, I am not Ms. Kesterson, gloman.
Yup - classic humor-trolling...(where the only one laughing is the troll)
I can't imagine how you come up with "humor trolling."  It is beyond bizarre.  Perhaps you see trolling because you cannot fathom that someone could have a viewpoint different from your own.  Or it could be paranoia.
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battlingignorance
Joined: 01 Sep 2012, 12:06

09 Nov 2017, 18:25 #85

Look in the mirror, 100CommentsOnly....
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

09 Nov 2017, 18:48 #86

I have found many plastic bags fall apart over time. The other day I found a yellow bag that had disintegrated into confetti - very sticky.

Most bags seem to stay normal strength for a year or more.

Melissa Cox should focus on making the public aware styrofoam and REDUCE its use primarily in local restaurants.

Let plastic bags be "market" driven without banning.
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William Taylor.e
Joined: 30 Mar 2007, 04:27

09 Nov 2017, 19:46 #87

Dun Fudgin wrote: I see that Dollar Store at Gloucester Crossing uses biodegradable/ compost friendly "plastic" bags. That's what the city should focus on instead of an out right plastic bag ban. And you would figure if a "Dollar Store" can afford those bags they should be affordable for all establishments.
I believe, Dun, that biodegradable simply means breaks down into...into, guess what, SMALLER actually,  in some cases, more dangerous particles which, at a micro level, are consumed by tiny critters which are eaten by bigger critters which then accumulate the chemicals in their bodies...just the way the antibiotics we pee out sometimes end up in the rivers and streams where they accumulate in the fish and fowl that depend on those streams. I am not against biodegradable by any means but the idea that it is a solution is only partially true...the molecular level of contaminates is, or will eventually be, just as much of a problem as those larger bits of plastic. Biodegradables that are entirely plant based are usually held together by binders that are not entirely plant based...seems it is hard to win sometimes...
You make a living by what you get. You make a life by what you give..
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

09 Nov 2017, 23:24 #88

William Taylor.e wrote:
Dun Fudgin wrote: I see that Dollar Store at Gloucester Crossing uses biodegradable/ compost friendly "plastic" bags. That's what the city should focus on instead of an out right plastic bag ban. And you would figure if a "Dollar Store" can afford those bags they should be affordable for all establishments.
I believe, Dun, that biodegradable simply means breaks down into...into, guess what, SMALLER actually,  in some cases, more dangerous particles which, at a micro level, are consumed by tiny critters which are eaten by bigger critters which then accumulate the chemicals in their bodies...just the way the antibiotics we pee out sometimes end up in the rivers and streams where they accumulate in the fish and fowl that depend on those streams. I am not against biodegradable by any means but the idea that it is a solution is only partially true...the molecular level of contaminates is, or will eventually be, just as much of a problem as those larger bits of plastic. Biodegradables that are entirely plant based are usually held together by binders that are not entirely plant based...seems it is hard to win sometimes...
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With one small quibble that I won't even bother pointing out, William is completely correct about this. 
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Cathy (Admin)
Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

10 Nov 2017, 02:00 #89

lol - how much did that hurt?
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Cathy (Admin)
Joined: 13 Aug 2005, 09:30

10 Nov 2017, 02:12 #90

I asked Clean Gloucester about other plastic bags and got this response:

"The ordinance is geared for bags you get as you check out of a store - so produce and meat bags, groceries packed in plastic, newspapers and dry cleaning bags will still be available. We encourage you to seek out reusable options to replace those items though!"

Is there a kid on this earth who would be caught dead with boots and bread bags today?  How my mother repurposed bread bags ...
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

10 Nov 2017, 03:11 #91

Remember 6.5 ounce ice cold CocaCola in two cent refundable GLASS bottles.

Just refreshing enough.

Sugar only (before Tab).

Wooden cases stacked to hold 24 empties to also recycling Hires, Orange Crush and 7Up.

48¢ for a case of empties in 1959 is now worth $4 today or FOR TODAY a 17¢ per glass bottle deposit.
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

10 Nov 2017, 04:12 #92

Cathy (Admin) wrote: lol - how much did that hurt?
Not much at all! 
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Matisse
Joined: 21 Aug 2007, 02:17

10 Nov 2017, 21:30 #93

Good gawd
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NightStalker
Joined: 15 Apr 2006, 05:02

11 Nov 2017, 14:45 #94

Last night I saw someone leaving the Chinese Restaurant with their leftovers boxed and in a plastic bag.  Would this be banned too??   (Is a restaurant a 'store'?)
You think you know it, but you haven't got a clue!!
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Karly
Joined: 20 Feb 2010, 02:12

11 Nov 2017, 14:50 #95

Cathy (Admin) wrote: I asked Clean Gloucester about other plastic bags and got this response:

"The ordinance is geared for bags you get as you check out of a store - so produce and meat bags, groceries packed in plastic, newspapers and dry cleaning bags will still be available. We encourage you to seek out reusable options to replace those items though!"

Is there a kid on this earth who would be caught dead with boots and bread bags today?  How my mother repurposed bread bags ...
I was just thinking of that yesterday!  My mom gave us Wonder Bread bags for inside our skates.  We would spend hours skating on the local ponds and I guess that was to keep us dry.  
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elliegal
Joined: 30 Dec 2006, 14:22

11 Nov 2017, 15:00 #96

William Taylor.e wrote:
Leland33 wrote: One minute I'm crap and next I'm smarter that all the loosely goosey profs on the west coast.  Hmmmm

Say ask your Havaad student (grad?) daughter. You posted awhile back - what's she think?  I'll go with that.

But I HATE TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD but it's not about the microscopic drop of water a plastic bag red presents VS. ALL THE NON-RENEWABLE ENERGY.  Again, ask your daughter - microscopic plastic bag vs GALLONS OF GAS!




Ask a cashier about re-usable.
The reusable, expandable, string mesh bags hold a massive amount of stuff and should they get dirty you can very easily rinse them out in about 30 seconds. Frankly I have a hard time these days finding a cashier who could give and informed opinion  about anything except cellphones...let along know how to pack a bag, any bag. When I was fifteen I worked in a small grocery store and we learned to bag a bag full and square being mindful of fragile fruits, etc. and did not just dump them on the bottom. It is mostly higgery piggery now.
At Crosby's markets, all new counter employees must watch a video called 'Bag It Right!' that demonstrates proper bagging technique.
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Fortune Cookie
Joined: 13 Nov 2010, 17:37

11 Nov 2017, 15:08 #97

Crosby's in MBTS is the best. I go out of my way to shop there. The best (= toughest, and with handles, too) paper bags on Cape Ann and their employees do, indeed, know how to bag properly. 
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battlingignorance
Joined: 01 Sep 2012, 12:06

11 Nov 2017, 15:15 #98

Fortune Cookie wrote: Crosby's in MBTS is the best. I go out of my way to shop there. The best (= toughest, and with handles, too) paper bags on Cape Ann and their employees do, indeed, know how to bag properly.
That's probably too far for 1000CommentsOnly to walk, though - with the bad back and all.....
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Leland33
Joined: 02 Apr 2011, 03:07

11 Nov 2017, 17:05 #99

Recently at Crosby's my three purchased items were bagged in a huge, sturdy paper bag.

Totally overkill.

One plastic bag would have sufficed. California is considering reversing its ban on plastic bags. There are tons of aryies like this one where Californianshave been wasting legal costs reversing the plastic bag ban:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

Fourth grade students could bring-in unwanted plastic bags that could be recycled into gasoline.

Stop the ban. It will cost a lot to reverse it.
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OneCommentOnly
Joined: 30 Oct 2017, 17:29

11 Nov 2017, 17:37 #100

That's very interesting, Leland.  Even the Californians are coming to their senses on this issue?  As I said, I and probably most others reuse these plastic bags for trash and so will have to buy plastic bags if the bag-banning zealots get their way.  You posted about the horrible Gloucester water.  I got a Pur Zero Water pitcher and now have great-tasting water.  It is fabulous chilled. 

I know this will not go over well with many in Gloucester, which is turning into Little San Francisco, but here goes:  The mayor made it clear that we are a de-facto sanctuary city and it would be a bad thing not to allow illegal aliens to come here.  Most city officials were positively salivating over the prospect of welcoming hundreds of opioid addicts from all over the country (or the world) into our police station to give up their drugs and be processed.  At the same time, they spend their time fretting about "the plastic bag problem" and feel they must ban them.  This does not seem sensible to me or my doctor (or "doctor" if you listen to Fortune Cookie).
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